Essential The Official Coli Horror Film Thread: Discussion, Recommendations And Murder.

[daemonova]

Was this aight?

I liked it

 

[storyteller]

I don’t fault Fede with TCM (2022) as much as I do the main director and screenwriter. He did have his hand in the project as a producer, but a story credit isn’t making me question his overall abilities. No telling how much of what contribution he had on that front, but everything I’ve read about the project makes me feel like dude was less involved on the script than Peele was when co-writing Candyman (2021). When Fede is actually in the chair, he’s shown me he can deliver with Evil Dead and Don’t Breathe.

I was very much disappointed in TCM. Hollywood loves to flash these promising directors’ names across projects as if that’s their movie and I got baited…hard. So now, unless the word of mouth is hittin’, I’m hesitant of any other project that tries the same method. Blumhouse loves to do this with James Wan-produced stuff. Peele too, along with any other horror director who struck it big with mainstream audiences. From a marketing angle, I understand it, but I still hate how deceiving it can be. Some of those flicks are genuine sleepers and others belong straight in the with TCM.

Idk about giving Fede a pass for TCM sucking. He was all over the press releases. Interviews like this are what I recall from the movie's release:

‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’: Fede Alvarez Comments on Those Rumors About a Recent Test Screening

With a serious lack of promotion up to this point, it’s been easy to forget that a new take The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is on the way, with the Fede Alvarez-produced Texas Chainsaw Massacre set to be a sequel to Tobe Hooper’s original classic. We’ve been promised “Old Man Leatherface” and the...

bloody-disgusting.com

And what scares me even more is how he talked about respecting the classics but updating for a new audience because that's echoed in things he's said about this new Alien movie. I'll give him props for Calls, which was a unique product. But we're almost a decade removed from his best work, and the last couple of projects he was attached to have been cash-grabby sequels that did no justice to the original products (Don't Breath 2 and TCM).

 

[Lootpack]

Idk about giving Fede a pass for TCM sucking. He was all over the press releases. Interviews like this are what I recall from the movie's release:

‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’: Fede Alvarez Comments on Those Rumors About a Recent Test Screening

With a serious lack of promotion up to this point, it’s been easy to forget that a new take The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is on the way, with the Fede Alvarez-produced Texas Chainsaw Massacre set to be a sequel to Tobe Hooper’s original classic. We’ve been promised “Old Man Leatherface” and the...

bloody-disgusting.com

And what scares me even more is how he talked about respecting the classics but updating for a new audience because that's echoed in things he's said about this new Alien movie. I'll give him props for Calls, which was a unique product. But we're almost a decade removed from his best work, and the last couple of projects he was attached to have been cash-grabby sequels that did no justice to the original products (Don't Breath 2 and TCM).

He was a producer, which means he’s going to have to promote the movie, regardless of how shytty the turnout was.

 

[abominable1]

A classic horror Story (2021)
Netflix (italian joint)




the trailer makes this "appear" to be like a lot of flicks, but it actually stands on it on quite well.


with the twist ,you are either going to hate it or love it

 

[storyteller]

He was a producer, which means he’s going to have to promote the movie, regardless of how shytty the turnout was.

He was also a writer, and the writing is what failed TCM more than any other aspect.

 

[storyteller]

A classic horror Story (2021)
Netflix (italian joint)




the trailer makes this "appear" to be like a lot of flicks, but it actually stands on it on quite well.


with the twist ,you are either going to hate it or love it

I think the first half is stronger than the second, but the twist is pretty well-earned. It managed to be pretty unique once all was said and done.

 

[Lootpack]

He was also a writer, and the writing is what failed TCM more than any other aspect.

Point to me where Fede was a writer for TCM. Because I’m looking at IMDB right now and it’s telling me that Chris Thomas Devlin is the sole screenwriter.

Yes, Fede was involved in creative at some point early on, hence the “story by” credit. To what extent? I have no clue — it could’ve been a general outline, an idea or two pitched, who knows. But him and Rodo were not involved in the final script and thus, received no screenplay credit in the end. What we saw on Netflix was not their writing.

I’m really not trying to come across as some Fede stan who thinks he can do no wrong, because he most certainly can. His script for Don’t Breathe 2 was rough. I’m standing firm on this particular topic though because there is a difference between being a co-writer on a project and having a “story by” credit.

 

[storyteller]

Point to me where Fede was a writer for TCM. Because I’m looking at IMDB right now and it’s telling me that Chris Thomas Devlin is the sole screenwriter.

Yes, Fede was involved in creative at some point early on, hence the “story by” credit. To what extent? I have no clue — it could’ve been a general outline, an idea or two pitched, who knows. But him and Rodo were not involved in the final script and thus, received no screenplay credit in the end. What we saw on Netflix was not their writing.

I’m really not trying to come across as some Fede stan who thinks he can do no wrong, because he most certainly can. His script for Don’t Breathe 2 was rough. I’m standing firm on this particular topic though because there is a difference between being a co-writer on a project and having a “story by” credit.

This interview opens by saying he co-wrote it, and he talks about some creative decisions he had input on. At minimum, he sounds as involved here as Peele did with Nia Dacosta on Candyman. I think this gives off a sense that he was even more involved tbh. Here are some excerpts:

Fede Álvarez’s 'Texas Chainsaw' is a Reckoning of Past & Present - Latina

This isn’t the first time Fede Álvarez and I have […]

latina.com

Most recently, Álvarez is set to write and direct a new “Alien” film for Hulu, which will debut as a standalone story produced by franchise creator Ridley Scott. Returning to the roots of his feature debut, a 2013 “Evil Dead” remake that satisfied longtime fans and newcomers alike, Álvarez recently co-wrote and produced Netflix’s “Texas Chainsaw Massacre,” a direct sequel to the 1974 original.

It's actually got some nice insights into his philosophy and approach.

Fully aware of the risks involved in tampering with the legacy of any beloved character — especially in horror, where diehards are particularly touchy about their favorite monsters — Álvarez tried not to let fan expectations get in the way. “It’s a challenge to be faithful to what people expect from the character,” he admitted, still focused on the idea that the audience is diverse. Álvarez has never been interested in pleasing everybody, especially in a franchise like “Texas Chainsaw,” which is tonally disparate and almost invites directors to bring something unique to the character. There is a stark difference in tone between Tobe Hooper’s original “Texas Chain Saw Massacre” and its slapstick sequel, which veers closer to comedy than horror for most of its runtime. “Some people might prefer the wackier takes like ‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2,’ and some people want him to be exactly like he was in the original,” he said.

Disregarding the pressures of audience expectations, which are often vast and contradictory, Álvarez found his way into the character by staying “faithful to the fact that [Leatherface] is a human being. Compared to the other iconic monsters of that generation like Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees, he’s the one that feels the most human.” The filmmaker is fully aware of how odd that might sound but can’t help but feel something like empathy for the way Leatherface’s senseless acts of violence can kind of make sense. “He can be scared and nervous and heartbroken,” Álvarez said sympathetically. For him and his collaborators, exploring Leatherface’s sensitivity wasn’t just a byproduct of the writing process but an integral part of how they decided to tell the story. When Álvarez and his team felt like they had cracked the essence of the character, “we at least had rules and a kind of path to follow.”

These quotes definitely don't sound like someone who had no input or impact on the story that came out. He's speaking on the character and plot from his own perspective. Plus, the article gets into the fact that this was HIS team that made this. He absolutely had some creative input.

Between thinking up gory and inventive ways for Leatherface to destroy his enemies, Álvarez never lost sight of what makes the character, in his way, relatable. “He hates you because he’s scared of you because he doesn’t understand you. At certain points [in the original film], he seems to be more afraid of the kids than vice versa. He’s just reacting all the time.” Applying that philosophy to his take on the character, Álvarez notes, “It’s the same here. He’s been living this very secluded life for a long time,” he explains. “Then suddenly these people show up with handheld devices, and he’s never seen that in his life,” Álvarez adds with a laugh.

And even if we were to give him a pass and say that he's playing up his input to sell the movie, he's co-signing some of the dumbest and most cash-grabbing decisions that the film made.

However, “Texas Chainsaw” deviates from expectations, once again, by having their reunion fizzle in anti-climax. “I truly believe that would be what would happen in reality,” Álvarez confesses, noting the fact that, when Sally and Leatherface finally come face-to-face, he has no recollection of who she is. “I thought it was grimmer,” he added. “The fact that Michael Myers is so obsessed with Laurie [Strode] almost makes it romantic.”

And realistically, there's no amount of cleaning that script up that would fix the shytty outline. The premise works, but every other choice that the production team made was flawed. The only other choices that deserve any credit are the blocking for the party bus kills and the Leatherface actor. It's an uninspired piece of trash that took a huge shyt on my favorite horror franchise.

I'll absolutely acknowledge that I'm a TCM stan, which is why I'm so annoyed with this dude. The most inspired thing he's written since Don't Breath, eight years ago, isn't even a visual work. It's Calls, which was all audio and not entirely coherent in its own right. But at least that was creative and had unique ideas. It's on AppleTV and worth a look since the runtimes are short.

So we're close to 10 years since he did anything that's really worth props. Don't Breath 2 was a dud. TCM was an insult to fans of the series. And outside of his horror fails, he's got the worst film out of a bunch of the mediocre Girl with the Dragon Tattoo movies as his only other credit.

Evil Dead is an absolute classic that revived the franchise in a big way. Don't Breath is a really good and creative movie. But if this Alien movie flops, he's gonna be David Gordon Green status in my book.

 

[Lootpack]

This interview opens by saying he co-wrote it, and he talks about some creative decisions he had input on. At minimum, he sounds as involved here as Peele did with Nia Dacosta on Candyman. I think this gives off a sense that he was even more involved tbh. Here are some excerpts:

Fede Álvarez’s 'Texas Chainsaw' is a Reckoning of Past & Present - Latina

This isn’t the first time Fede Álvarez and I have […]

latina.com

It's actually got some nice insights into his philosophy and approach.



These quotes definitely don't sound like someone who had no input or impact on the story that came out. He's speaking on the character and plot from his own perspective. Plus, the article gets into the fact that this was HIS team that made this. He absolutely had some creative input.



And even if we were to give him a pass and say that he's playing up his input to sell the movie, he's co-signing some of the dumbest and most cash-grabbing decisions that the film made.



And realistically, there's no amount of cleaning that script up that would fix the shytty outline. The premise works, but every other choice that the production team made was flawed. The only other choices that deserve any credit are the blocking for the party bus kills and the Leatherface actor. It's an uninspired piece of trash that took a huge shyt on my favorite horror franchise.

I'll absolutely acknowledge that I'm a TCM stan, which is why I'm so annoyed with this dude. The most inspired thing he's written since Don't Breath, eight years ago, isn't even a visual work. It's Calls, which was all audio and not entirely coherent in its own right. But at least that was creative and had unique ideas. It's on AppleTV and worth a look since the runtimes are short.

So we're close to 10 years since he did anything that's really worth props. Don't Breath 2 was a dud. TCM was an insult to fans of the series. And outside of his horror fails, he's got the worst film out of a bunch of the mediocre Girl with the Dragon Tattoo movies as his only other credit.

Evil Dead is an absolute classic that revived the franchise in a big way. Don't Breath is a really good and creative movie. But if this Alien movie flops, he's gonna be David Gordon Green status in my book.

Whatever creative involvement Fede had early on in the writing process must’ve been minimal enough to not warrant a writers credit in the end. Peele while sharing writing responsibilities with Nia and company on the Candyman requel still got a co-writing nod when it went out for release.

The trades showed no indications of Álvarez co-writing the script.

Variety:

The pic will be written by Chris Thomas Devlin with Bad Hombre’s Fede Alvarez and Rodolfo Sayagues producing through their overall deal with Legendary.

‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ Reboot in the Works With ‘The Dig’ Directors (EXCLUSIVE)

Legendary has closed a deal for Ryan and Andy Tohill to direct a reboot of the classic 1974 horror film "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre."

variety.com

Chris Thomas Devlin wrote the screenplay. Fede Alvarez is producing with Bad Hombre’s Rodolfo Sayagues through their deal with Legendary, along with Kim Henkel, Ian Henkel and Pat Cassidy via their Exurbia Films.

‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ Overhauled as Directors, Early Scenes Cut

Legendary has overhauled production on "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre," parting ways with directors Ryan and Andy Tohill.

variety.com

The Hollywood Reporter:

Fede Alvarez, the filmmaker behind Don’t Breathe, is producing with Rodolfo Sayagues via their Bad Hombre banner. Kim Henkel, Ian Henkel and Pat Cassidy are also producing via their Exurbia Films banner. Chris Thomas Devlin is penning the script.

Legendary’s ‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ Reboot Finds Directors

A new take on the cult horror film The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is coming to the big screen. Legendary has tapped Ryan and Andy Tohill to reboot the 1974 film, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Deadline:

The story hails in part from Fede Álvarez, who previously wrote and directed the Evil Dead reboot as well as the thriller Don’t Breathe.

The pic hits the streamer February 18.

The script from Chris Thomas Devlin centers on a group of young friends who arrive in the remote Texas town of Harlow to embark on a new business venture.

‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ Trailer: Leatherface Gets A Netflix Subscription

Netflix has released its trailer for Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the latest reboot of Tobe Hooper's classic slasher franchise.

deadline.com

And I’m not giving him a pass. He 100% deserves the smoke for backing that trash. I’m just saying that I’m not as pressed with Fede as I am with the main writer and director. Because at the end of the day, those people are the ones whose names reflect the job titles. He wasn’t in the director’s chair, nor as a screenwriter, for TCM and until he drops a horror catastrophe with those titles, I have no reason to believe that he won’t deliver with Romulus.

The crazy part is that even if Alien: Romulus doesn’t go over well, he’ll still have more credibility in the horror community than David Gordon Green. Green left the Halloween IP and a more beloved horror icon in a horrible state.

 

[8WON6]

Just got back from "Late Night With The Devil"

shyt was great.

 

[8WON6]

And they showed the trailers for "Sting", "Arcadian", and "Abigail". Really want to see all of them.

 

[storyteller]

Whatever creative involvement Fede had early on in the writing process must’ve been minimal enough to not warrant a writers credit in the end. Peele while sharing writing responsibilities with Nia and company on the Candyman requel still got a co-writing nod when it went out for release.

The trades showed no indications of Álvarez co-writing the script.

Variety:

‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ Reboot in the Works With ‘The Dig’ Directors (EXCLUSIVE)

Legendary has closed a deal for Ryan and Andy Tohill to direct a reboot of the classic 1974 horror film "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre."

variety.com

‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ Overhauled as Directors, Early Scenes Cut

Legendary has overhauled production on "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre," parting ways with directors Ryan and Andy Tohill.

variety.com

The Hollywood Reporter:

Legendary’s ‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ Reboot Finds Directors

A new take on the cult horror film The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is coming to the big screen. Legendary has tapped Ryan and Andy Tohill to reboot the 1974 film, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Deadline:

‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’ Trailer: Leatherface Gets A Netflix Subscription

Netflix has released its trailer for Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the latest reboot of Tobe Hooper's classic slasher franchise.

deadline.com

And I’m not giving him a pass. He 100% deserves the smoke for backing that trash. I’m just saying that I’m not as pressed with Fede as I am with the main writer and director. Because at the end of the day, those people are the ones whose names reflect the job titles. He wasn’t in the director’s chair, nor as a screenwriter, for TCM and until he drops a horror catastrophe with those titles, I have no reason to believe that he won’t deliver with Romulus.

Whatever creative involvement Fede had early on in the writing process must’ve been minimal enough to not warrant a writers credit in the end. Peele while sharing writing responsibilities with Nia and company on the Candyman requel still got a co-writing nod when it went out for release.

The crazy part is that even if Alien: Romulus doesn’t go over well, he’ll still have more credibility in the horror community than David Gordon Green. Green left the Halloween IP and a more beloved horror icon in a bad state.

I thought I'd lost this interview, but I finally found the Chris Thomas Devlin interview I've been looking for. I know I remembered him talking about a MUCH different movie that sounded WAY better IMO.

He also mentions that they tossed his pitch, went with Fede's ideas and that Fede was writing with him. To be fair, he defends the script and mentions that a lot of Fede's best lines got cut from the final product. Lines that might have made the comedic side hit more effectively. I timestamped to when he started on TCM, and it's a really good 20 minutes about the process.



I should also point out that some of those articles are from early in production. One mentions the first directorial team, and the next mentions a complete overhaul due to creative differences. I think that points to the creative input that the producers had.

 

[storyteller]

Just got back from "Late Night With The Devil"

shyt was great.

I can't wait to see this ish.

 

[Neuromancer]

Watching Frogman. Anyone see that ?

 

[abominable1]

Watching Frogman. Anyone see that ?

popped up on my plex share
was going to pull the trigger , but backed off

May put it in my rotation as a grunk watch while I am on the Easter vacay