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I'm blaming this on Canelo's influence on Turki. Probably was a condition of him signing :francis:


Man y'all blame everything on canelo:beli::dead:......could be many reasons for this. I think this has more to do with turk trying to push out the sanctioning bodies. Probably wants bivol to drop all the belts and pledge allegiance to the ring belt. They've already said the ultimate goal is one belt per division.

And at this point who really cares about undisputed at 175. We all know bivol and beterbiev are the best. All those belts mean nothing in a trilogy fight. Let the other scrubs have em and pretend to be champion for a while. I'm all for the these crooked ass sanctioning bodies getting pushed out. All that money they've stolen from these fighters over the years. shyt is a joke. It's time to get rid of em all.
 

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Man y'all blame everything on canelo:beli::dead:......could be many reasons for this. I think this has more to do with turk trying to push out the sanctioning bodies. Probably wants bivol to drop all the belts and pledge allegiance to the ring belt. They've already said the ultimate goal is one belt per division.

And at this point who really cares about undisputed at 175. We all know bivol and beterbiev are the best. All those belts mean nothing in a trilogy fight. Let the other scrubs have em and pretend to be champion for a while. I'm all for the these crooked ass sanctioning bodies getting pushed out. All that money they've stolen from these fighters over the years. shyt is a joke. It's time to get rid of em all.

the thing is dummies don't want to admit Turki staging a coup lol, they like "oh he aint talking to me". After dudes drop the sanctioning bodies, next will be the promoters. Why do you need MAtchrrom when Turki owns the streaming app and is going to shoot music videos to promo your fight lol
 

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the thing is dummies don't want to admit Turki staging a coup lol, they like "oh he aint talking to me". After dudes drop the sanctioning bodies, next will be the promoters. Why do you need MAtchrrom when Turki owns the streaming app and is going to shoot music videos to promo your fight lol

Donald trump with a magic carpet ain't fukkin around:damn:


I figured it was gonna take another couple years for him to really take over. But he's going for it all now. Once he landed canelo he knew he had the most important piece for his takeover. If he gets canelo to drop all the belts it's basically a wrap for these sanctioning bodies.
 

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Donald trump with a magic carpet ain't fukkin around:damn:


I figured it was gonna take another couple years for him to really take over. But he's going for it all now. Once he landed canelo he knew he had the most important piece for his takeover. If he gets canelo to drop all the belts it's basically a wrap for these sanctioning bodies.

yeah I called the play a while back. Saudis own a bunch of Dazn, Own The Ring, so at this point what do they need promoters for? When dudes contracts expire they can literally just sign directly with TKO. Canelo and the current Gen are just gonna be overpaid for Marketing purposes and retain the prestige of what Turki is doing so in 15 yrs the dude who has the same Belt Canelo won will be seen as being in his class even though he makes 1/10th the money
 

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Man y'all blame everything on canelo:beli::dead:......could be many reasons for this. I think this has more to do with turk trying to push out the sanctioning bodies. Probably wants bivol to drop all the belts and pledge allegiance to the ring belt. They've already said the ultimate goal is one belt per division.

And at this point who really cares about undisputed at 175. We all know bivol and beterbiev are the best. All those belts mean nothing in a trilogy fight. Let the other scrubs have em and pretend to be champion for a while. I'm all for the these crooked ass sanctioning bodies getting pushed out. All that money they've stolen from these fighters over the years. shyt is a joke. It's time to get rid of em all.


I get the idea of having 1 belt and understand why people want it, but I actually don't like when there is only 1 belt

Too much politics happen in Boxing where it would be damn near impossible for a no-name fighter or a lesser known fighter to ever fight for a World title if there was only 1 belt. Having 4 belts gives more opportunities for young fighters or long time journeyman fighters the chance to fight for a title

Fighters like Sandor Martin, Puello, or Stanionis would never have an opportunity to win a World title or even contend for a world title if there was only 1 belt
 

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I get the idea of having 1 belt and understand why people want it, but I actually don't like when there is only 1 belt

Too much politics happen in Boxing where it would be damn near impossible for a no-name fighter or a lesser known fighter to ever fight for a World title if there was only 1 belt. Having 4 belts gives more opportunities for young fighters or long time journeyman fighters the chance to fight for a title

Fighters like Sandor Martin, Puello, or Stanionis would never have an opportunity to win a World title or even contend for a world title if there was only 1 belt

This is why I said the best middle grown is each Sanctioning Body being their own league, and then every yr they send representatives into the "Ring Tourney" and winner at end of year is undisputed and seen as "the man"
 

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I get the idea of having 1 belt and understand why people want it, but I actually don't like when there is only 1 belt

Too much politics happen in Boxing where it would be damn near impossible for a no-name fighter or a lesser known fighter to ever fight for a World title if there was only 1 belt. Having 4 belts gives more opportunities for young fighters or long time journeyman fighters the chance to fight for a title

Fighters like Sandor Martin, Puello, or Stanionis would never have an opportunity to win a World title or even contend for a world title if there was only 1 belt
thats pretty much how i feel..however all these regular titles OR interim belts that dont get unified floating around can go

there hasn't been one belt per division since like the 1950s...its nice in theory but it will take a lot for that to happen

however ive always stressed a champion fighting another champion in their weight class to be undisputed because a fighter should want to make sure they are the lone champion with all the belts...plus it makes much more to easier to rate/rank them
 

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I get the idea of having 1 belt and understand why people want it, but I actually don't like when there is only 1 belt

Too much politics happen in Boxing where it would be damn near impossible for a no-name fighter or a lesser known fighter to ever fight for a World title if there was only 1 belt. Having 4 belts gives more opportunities for young fighters or long time journeyman fighters the chance to fight for a title

Fighters like Sandor Martin, Puello, or Stanionis would never have an opportunity to win a World title or even contend for a world title if there was only 1 belt

It really depends on how the league is run. They would need to keep guys active and consistently fighting to move up the ranks. No name guys in the UFC usually always get their shot as long as they keep winning. Dana said that's the same goal he has here. To have guys consistently moving up and getting the opportunity to be champion. Right now there's simply no structure. And the little guys really have no power so a lot of em spend most of their careers in obscurity. They would probably get many more eyes on them in a dedicated league where they can see exactly what they need to do to get that title shot.

The 4 belt structure is just broken. I think there's way more politics involved when you have belts spread across different promotional companies. Cause whoever has the money guy can fukk over everybody else. After what PBC did to bud I'm completely over having multiple belts. shyt was a disgrace. Have all the guys competing for one belt. If one guy refuses to fight, they go to the back of the ranks and have to work their way up again.
 

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It really depends on how the league is run. They would need to keep guys active and consistently fighting to move up the ranks. No name guys in the UFC usually always get their shot as long as they keep winning. Dana said that's the same goal he has here. To have guys consistently moving up and getting the opportunity to be champion. Right now there's simply no structure. And the little guys really have no power so a lot of em spend most of their careers in obscurity. They would probably get many more eyes on them in a dedicated league where they can see exactly what they need to do to get that title shot.

The 4 belt structure is just broken. I think there's way more politics involved when you have belts spread across different promotional companies. Cause whoever has the money guy can fukk over everybody else. After what PBC did to bud I'm completely over having multiple belts. shyt was a disgrace. Have all the guys competing for one belt. If one guy refuses to fight, they go to the back of the ranks and have to work their way up again.

The factor with boxing is belts mean nothing if you don't have the culture behind.you. being champ doesn't really make you a star
 

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I think Turks plan was always to create one company similar to UFC. Which is why he bought out the ring . Then he's going to have the ring belt be the official belt for the entire sport. Shutting out all sanctioning bodies for good.

We've definitely gotten good matchups in recent years but the problem is most of em didn't get the recognition they should have. A fight like Bivol vs beterbiev should have been massive for the sport. But that comes down to marketing. And that's one area where Dana white excels in. He's good at promoting these foreign guys who don't speak any English. If boxing had better promoters Artur beterbiev should be as big as Alex Pereira right now. An absolute monster who had a perfect ko percentage for years. It's a damn joke that he's still basically unknown to the public. And that's exactly why a scumbag like Dana white has been able to position himself to take over.

Too many dinosaurs have been running boxing for too long and they took it for granted. And now they're about to be extinct. They did it to themselves. ESPN, dazn, and pbc have done a HORRIBLE job promoting these fighters and putting on decent coverage. Presentation wise, all of these companies are still stuck in the stone ages. Even in the tank vs roach fight they would barely even give us any decent replays in between rounds. And that's how it is for every fight. The shyt is fukkin pathetic. There's zero excuses for how terrible boxing presentation has been since HBO left the game. That's why I don't feel bad for any of these companies. This is exactly what they deserve.


PBC has created stars and the biggest fights for nearly 20 years now.

The issue with PBC is that they haven't had the best fighters (Top Rank gets the best prospects) and post Showtime move, there's been a ton of inactivity because there's just no money. If Crawford signed with PBC, he would have been a star and a household name. shyt, he did more with PBC in one fight than he ever did with Top Rank.

Tank is the 2nd biggest star in the sport outside of Canelo and obviously that's all PBC's match making, promotion and management.


I agree with this otherwise.
 

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The factor with boxing is belts mean nothing if you don't have the culture behind.you. being champ doesn't really make you a star


That actually illustrates just how broken the current system is. If you're a champion you should always be a star. There's too many titles in boxing and casual fans have no idea who's really the best. Especially when you add in all the ridiculous interim belts. It's just a way for sanctioning bodies to steal money from fighters.

With a one belt system there would be no doubt who the real champion is. No other sport has multiple titles and boxing should be no exception. It just doesn't make sense from a competitive stand point. Imagine if the NBA having multiple champions. It's a ridiculous notion and completely waters down the product.
 

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That actually illustrates just how broken the current system is. If you're a champion you should always be a star. There's too many titles in boxing and casual fans have no idea who's really the best. Especially when you add in all the ridiculous interim belts. It's just a way for sanctioning bodies to steal money from fighters.

With a one belt system there would be no doubt who the real champion is. No other sport has multiple titles and boxing should be no exception. It just doesn't make sense from a competitive stand point. Imagine if the NBA having multiple champions. It's a ridiculous notion and completely waters down the product.

Boxing isn't a team sport so this is flawed thinking. And it is more dynamic than say golf or tennis and track which if you win everything people get behind you because the result of a win is usually the same.

If you go 50-0 with a bunch of Shakur vs DLS type performances you would never be seen as a star. UFC is struggling BUT to the public/ casual you can assume UFC is synonymous with MMA but boxing doesn't have that and we can't ignore the MAGA stuff that is like the foundation of their fan base they play to
 
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