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[Black_Jesus]

RING belt > alphabet titles

Boxing needs 1 belt per division. 1 network.. no more hiding behind networks and promoter... If PBC and TR dont get on board then fukk em.. Their platform can die along with fighters using side of street politics to duck

 

[reservoirdogs]

Yeah I’m not liking that demanding tone at all

I want Beterbiev to come again and I think the WBC is inconsistent and influenced by boxing politics in whether they write out a mandatory or not and if yes, when but lowkey threatening fighters publicly isn’t it.

Just handle it professionally, behind doors by giving him a good enough offer if you want him to drop the belt

 

[UpAndComing]

It really depends on how the league is run. They would need to keep guys active and consistently fighting to move up the ranks. No name guys in the UFC usually always get their shot as long as they keep winning. Dana said that's the same goal he has here. To have guys consistently moving up and getting the opportunity to be champion. Right now there's simply no structure. And the little guys really have no power so a lot of em spend most of their careers in obscurity. They would probably get many more eyes on them in a dedicated league where they can see exactly what they need to do to get that title shot.

The 4 belt structure is just broken. I think there's way more politics involved when you have belts spread across different promotional companies. Cause whoever has the money guy can fukk over everybody else. After what PBC did to bud I'm completely over having multiple belts. shyt was a disgrace. Have all the guys competing for one belt. If one guy refuses to fight, they go to the back of the ranks and have to work their way up again.

thats pretty much how i feel..however all these regular titles OR interim belts that dont get unified floating around can go

there hasn't been one belt per division since like the 1950s...its nice in theory but it will take a lot for that to happen

however ive always stressed a champion fighting another champion in their weight class to be undisputed because a fighter should want to make sure they are the lone champion with all the belts...plus it makes much more to easier to rate/rank them

This is the key right here. The only way a 1 belt World title can work is if it is constant fighting between contenders. The fighters have to be fighting at least 3 times a year so contenders can have more opportunities to win a World title against the champion. Also, For sure they should eliminate the regular titles as well as it does cause a it bit more confusion. 1950s/60s Boxing worked great with 1 belt because the Boxers fought constantly and they did not care at all about having losses on their records, because they would have a fight 2-3 months later


But to the PBC vs Bud point. I can flip it 180 on why a 1 World title could be a negative. When the PBC had their dominance in the 147 division 5 years ago. Can you imagine if there wasn't a 4th WBO belt for Crawford to pick up? Can you imagine if there was only 1 world title at 147? Bud would NEVER have an opportunity to get a World title in that division, because of the power PBC had at 147 and 154. If you think Bud was iced out then, it would be 100x worse with 1 belt

If Turki and Dana want to create a situation where there are less politics in Boxing and everyone gets a shot with 1 belt, then sure. But it's a still a big IF

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Boxing isn't a team sport so this is flawed thinking. And it is more dynamic than say golf or tennis and track which if you win everything people get behind you because the result of a win is usually the same.

If you go 50-0 with a bunch of Shakur vs DLS type performances you would never be seen as a star. UFC is struggling BUT to the public/ casual you can assume UFC is synonymous with MMA but boxing doesn't have that and we can't ignore the MAGA stuff that is like the foundation of their fan base they play to

Boxing will never be overtaken by maga. The reason cacs have gravitated to ufc is because it's a sport where they can actually compete(for now). Cacs can't compete in boxing. Which is why all of the cac fans have rallied behind the euro cacs cause it's the next best thing for them.

Cacs will never be the majority boxing fan ever again. It's why trump never goes to boxing events...because our fans would boo him out of the building.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

But to the PBC vs Bud point. I can flip it 180 on why a 1 World title could be a negative. When the PBC had their dominance in the 147 division 5 years ago. Can you imagine if there wasn't a 4th WBO belt for Crawford to pick up? Can you imagine if there was only 1 world title at 147? Bud would NEVER have an opportunity to get a World title in that division, because of the power PBC had at 147 and 154. If you think Bud was iced out then, it would be 100x worse with 1 belt

Yea but that's the thing. A fighter never even be in the situation bud was in. If it was a league, bud would get that shot no matter what. And if Spence refused, he would be stripped and moved to the bottom of the ranks. No questions asked. Once again, it all depends on how the league is run. If they're commited to keeping guys active I think it could work out well.

 

[Black_Jesus]

PBC has created stars and the biggest fights for nearly 20 years now.

The issue with PBC is that they haven't had the best fighters (Top Rank gets the best prospects) and post Showtime move, there's been a ton of inactivity because there's just no money. If Crawford signed with PBC, he would have been a star and a household name. shyt, he did more with PBC in one fight than he ever did with Top Rank.

Tank is the 2nd biggest star in the sport outside of Canelo and obviously that's all PBC's match making, promotion and management.


I agree with this otherwise.

Crawford did sign with PBC and all they did was freeze him out the rematch with Spence and block him from undisputed at 154 and opportunities to become unified at 154 instead attemting to make fights like Tszyu vs Keith Thurman

Tank with PBC and has only beat 2 legit champs in his 12 year career.. a blown up 130lb Leo Santa Cruz and Jose Pedraza yet somehow he is the face of "American boxing".. and people wonder why Turki is so easily taking over the sport

 

[Apollo Creed]

Boxing will never be overtaken by maga. The reason cacs have gravitated to ufc is because it's a sport where they can actually compete(for now). Cacs can't compete in boxing. Which is why all of the cac fans have rallied behind the euro cacs cause it's the next best thing for them.

Cacs will never be the majority boxing fan ever again. It's why trump never goes to boxing events...because our fans would boo him out of the building.

You didn't understand my post at all

 

[Apollo Creed]

Yeah I’m not liking that demanding tone at all

I want Beterbiev to come again and I think the WBC is inconsistent and influenced by boxing politics in whether they write out a mandatory or not and if yes, when but lowkey threatening fighters publicly isn’t it.

Just handle it professionally, behind doors by giving him a good enough offer if you want him to drop the belt

WBC was enjoying them Turki inflated sanctioning fees lol. Now that he kicked them to the curb the promoters eventually will serve no purpose because Turki/Saudis have a stake in a media platform so they can just by pass them and get people on TKO deals

 

[UpAndComing]

PBC has created stars and the biggest fights for nearly 20 years now.

The issue with PBC is that they haven't had the best fighters (Top Rank gets the best prospects) and post Showtime move, there's been a ton of inactivity because there's just no money. If Crawford signed with PBC, he would have been a star and a household name. shyt, he did more with PBC in one fight than he ever did with Top Rank.

Tank is the 2nd biggest star in the sport outside of Canelo and obviously that's all PBC's match making, promotion and management.


I agree with this otherwise.

"I jUsT dOnT uNdErStAnD wHy CrAwFoRd DiDnT sIgN wItH tHe PbC"


It's 2025 and we are still spewing this disingenuous talking point

 

[Black_Jesus]

Yea but that's the thing. A fighter never even be in the situation bud was in. If it was a league, bud would get that shot no matter what. And if Spence refused, he would be stripped and moved to the bottom of the ranks. No questions asked. Once again, it all depends on how the league is run. If they're commited to keeping guys active I think it could work out well.

Exactly.. nikkas are forgetting the belts were used as an excuse to avoid Crawford.. Remember Spence couldn't fight Bud until he cleaned up a side of an imaginary street and spence "had" to get every other belt 1st.. This type of goofy shyt wont ever happen with 1 belt

 

[reservoirdogs]

WBC was enjoying them Turki inflated sanctioning fees lol. Now that he kicked them to the curb the promoters eventually will serve no purpose because Turki/Saudis have a stake in a media platform so they can just by pass them and get people on TKO deals

This coming year will probably test many loyalties.
I’m not sure in the outcome though as the fighters and their managers know that if a monopoly is set they are exposed to the promoter. Short money vs the Saudis with the potential of getting much less a few years from now or stay with their promoters for less but helping retain fighters’ agency

 

[patscorpio]

PBC has created stars and the biggest fights for nearly 20 years now.

PBC has only been around for 10 breh...and we have to remember where the OG PBC stars came from

 

[Apollo Creed]

This coming year will probably test many loyalties.
I’m not sure in the outcome though as the fighters and their managers know that if a monopoly is set they are exposed to the promoter. Short money vs the Saudis with the potential of getting much less a few years from now or stay with their promoters for less but helping retain fighters’ agency

The only thing I can see is each promoter aligns with a sanctioning body and in term network. The issue is networks don't want to invest in boxing (DAZN isn't profitable it's really just pushed up by Saudis).

TR is in bed with WBO, And PBC seems to have Wba And WBC on deck.

Canelo was Canelo before undisputed same way Floyd would drop belts fast so imo it's more so who can sign the stars and we don't know who the next stars are (meaning we know they can sell as a headliner)

 

[UpAndComing]

The only thing I can see is each promoter aligns with a sanctioning body and in term network. The issue is networks don't want to invest in boxing (DAZN isn't profitable it's really just pushed up by Saudis).

TR is in bed with WBO, And PBC seems to have Wba And WBC on deck.

Canelo was Canelo before undisputed same way Floyd would drop belts fast so imo it's more so who can sign the stars and we don't know who the next stars are (meaning we know they can sell as a headliner)

To me the most important thing is the marketing of the sport aspect. If what Dana White and Turki promise that they will bring more eyes to Boxing is true, then I'm for it. The lack of marketing is what is causing all of this "hoarding" of stars from promotional companies. You got companies who are living and dying by only a couple fighters because they are scared of them taking an L, and they will make no money. This creates "cash cows" and promotional companies scared to take risks to have their fighters lose. In their head it's fighte losing = Less money to bid on the purse = Less money for the promotional company. If there were more money and marketing to go around, this would not be a problem

Perfect example, Golden Boy has been pump faking on making Zurdo Ramirez fight Jai Opetaia to unify at Cruiserweight because it's an obvious risk Zurdo will lose. He's their "cash cow". If there was more money in the sport, and more opportunities for Zurdo to be on camera to the casual public, a fighter losing would not be the end of the world

 

[Apollo Creed]

To me the most important thing is the marketing of the sport aspect. If what Dana White and Turki promise that they will bring more eyes to Boxing is true, then I'm for it. The lack of marketing is what is causing all of this "hoarding" of stars from promotional companies. You got companies who are living and dying by only a couple fighters because they are scared of them taking an L, and they will make no money. This creates "cash cows" and promotional companies scared to take risks to have their fighters lose. In their head it's fighte losing = Less money to bid on the purse = Less money for the promotional company. If there were more money and marketing to go around, this would not be a problem

Perfect example, Golden Boy has been pump faking on making Zurdo Ramirez fight Jai Opetaia to unify at Cruiserweight because it's an obvious risk Zurdo will lose. He's their "cash cow". If there was more money in the sport, and more opportunities for Zurdo to be on camera to the casual public, a fighter losing would not be the end of the world

Marketing is a two fold thing. I feel either you have a culture behind you OR you are an exciting fighter and your promoter can scale your reach and connect you with brands. Most boxers are socially awkward so the latter tends to be the best path but every fighter isn't exiciting so you can end up with a "who cares"