Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[UpAndComing]

Marketing is a two fold thing. I feel either you have a culture behind you OR you are an exciting fighter and your promoter can scale your reach and connect you with brands. Most boxers are socially awkward so the latter tends to be the best path but every fighter isn't exiciting so you can end up with a "who cares"

That brings me to this point. Boxing's marketing is still in the dark ages. A fighter does not have to have an "exciting" personality. It's almost comical that it's considered a normal reasoning. If Boxing wants to be one of the biggest sports like it was in the 1940s to the 1990s, it has to go beyond that
I'm sure you watch other sports. Does Jalen Hurts or Tim Duncan have "exciting personalities". Hell no. They are boring, but if they were to walk a city street they would get mauled, because they play for leagues that put 100x more effort into promoting their talents

Look at UFC. Alex Periera doesn't even speak English. And I'm sure if he did, he would still be boring lol. And he's a huge star

 

[Apollo Creed]

That brings me to this point. Boxing's marketing is still in the dark ages. A fighter does not have to have an "exciting" personality. It's almost comical that it's considered a normal reasoning. If Boxing wants to be one of the biggest sports like it was in the 1940s to the 1990s, it has to go beyond that
I'm sure you watch other sports. Does Jalen Hurts or Tim Duncan have "exciting personalities". Hell no. They are boring, but if they were to walk a city street they would get mauled, because they play for leagues that put 100x more effort into promoting their talents

Look at UFC. Alex Periera doesn't even speak English. And I'm sure if he did, he would still be boring lol. And he's a huge star

I'm saying exciting fighting style not personality. I am saying people with no personality BUT exiciting styles can leverage the machine scaling their reach but if you aren't exciting then it won't work. As I stated earlier UFC is synonymous with MMA so it is the defecto for the avg non hardcore in addition to Alex being Brazilian and having a culture behind him.

NBA and NFL comparisons don't work because the leagues are synonymous with the sport which are wildely more popular than boxing thus anyone who is the top will defacto be a face. In addition NBA and NFL have low barriers of entry to watch. Every major city has a team and tickets are not expensive. Boxing takes ALOT to enjoy live and even on tv while NBA and NFL can be seen free with just a tv with built in antenna

 

[NormanConnors]

At that Tank's weight I'll take him over Manny by Ko

 

[Bleed The Freak]

At this point probably in the next 3 to 5 years the best thing these promotional companies can turn into are going to be management firms for the fighters.

There's pluses and minuses involved with getting Dana White involved with boxing. He needed the backing of Saudi Arabia because he wasn't going to pay those purses.

All of the promotional companies ultimately did this to themselves with all their shenanigans they pulled over the last 20 years. And the sanctioning bodies as well too.

But if we can get away with you fight for this network and you don't get to fight this fighter because they're signed to a different promotional outfit that's a great thing.

Folks always claiming they the A-side nonsense when they ain't Floyd, Manny, Cotto or Canelo level can be done with too. Dudes be pulling that shyt like Thurman when Crawford name came up was comedy.

What promotional side of the street they were on inflated their self-worth and it got ridiculous

If they had done right by the fans for the last 20 years we wouldn't be having this conversation ultimately they did it to themselves

 

[Apollo Creed]

At this point probably in the next 3 to 5 years the best thing these promotional companies can turn into are going to be management firms for the fighters.

There's pluses and minuses involved with getting Dana White involved with boxing. He needed the backing of Saudi Arabia because he wasn't going to pay those purses.

All of the promotional companies ultimately did this to themselves with all their shenanigans they pulled over the last 20 years. And the sanctioning bodies as well too.

But if we can get away with you fight for this network and you don't get to fight this fighter because they're signed to a different promotional outfit that's a great thing.

Folks always claiming they the A-side nonsense when they ain't Floyd, Manny, Cotto or Canelo level can be done with too. Dudes be pulling that shyt like Thurman when Crawford name came up was comedy.

What promotional side of the street they were on inflated their self-worth and it got ridiculous

If they had done right by the fans for the last 20 years we wouldn't be having this conversation ultimately they did it to themselves

Ultimately the question will be is the product popular or will it flop because eventually others may copy the model but then what will define the "best" league. Shakur, Devin, tank, Ryan while not Canelo will be the last gen to get "overpaid", my question is what happens with an Abdullah Mason type as he has seen the over payment era from the outside, and when it's his time to be top dog will he be fine with what is considered "fair"? That fair will likely be more than he makes now but it likely won't be the 5-10 gaurentee with back end others got and let's not even talk them 30-40m cats

 

[UpAndComing]

I'm saying exciting fighting style not personality. I am saying people with no personality BUT exiciting styles can leverage the machine scaling their reach but if you aren't exciting then it won't work. As I stated earlier UFC is synonymous with MMA so it is the defecto for the avg non hardcore in addition to Alex being Brazilian and having a culture behind him.

NBA and NFL comparisons don't work because the leagues are synonymous with the sport which are wildely more popular than boxing thus anyone who is the top will defacto be a face. In addition NBA and NFL have low barriers of entry to watch. Every major city has a team and tickets are not expensive. Boxing takes ALOT to enjoy live and even on tv while NBA and NFL can be seen free with just a tv with built in antenna

And using Alex's "Brazilian culture" is weak. Just checked there are only 2 million Brazilians living in the United States . Not even a given they are fans of combat sports. And CACs love Alex Periera

You're making my point. The league is more synonymous with the sport, which is what UFC is to MMA. That is why I'm saying Boxing is archaic in that people still depend on "self promotion" for a fighter to be famous. Perfect example was Boxing in the 1980s. Marvin Hagler and Larry Holmes did not have the personality, but were household names by casuals. Larry Holmes being the ultimate example because he neither had the personality or the "exciting" fighting style that casuals typically liked. But he was a household name because Don King knew how to promote him

 

[Apollo Creed]

And using Alex's "Brazilian culture" is weak. Just checked there are only 2 million Brazilians living in the United States . Not even a given they are fans of combat sports. And CACs love Alex Periera

You're making my point. The league is more synonymous with the sport, which is what UFC is to MMA. That is why I'm saying Boxing is archaic in that people still depend on "self promotion" for a fighter to be famous. Perfect example was Boxing in the 1980s. Marvin Hagler and Larry Holmes did not have the personality, but were household names by casuals. Larry Holmes being the ultimate example because he neither had the personality or the "exciting" fighting style that casuals typically liked. But he was a household name because Don King knew how to promote him

You do understand UFC has fights globally including Brazil? You do understand what BJJ and the Gracie family contributions to MMA as a sport? I've literally been to MMA matches in Brazil. You're.out your element with this one.

 

[UpAndComing]

You do understand UFC has fights globally including Brazil? You do understand what BJJ and the Gracie family contributions to MMA as a sport? I've literally been to MMA matches in Brazil. You're.out your element with this one.

You do understand that Boxing has fights globally in Eastern Europe and Central Asia right? You do understand that Boxing in those countries have a deep Soviet Boxing tradition going back hundreds of years and since the 1960s in the Olympics right? Then why aren't Boxers from that region: Beterbiev, Bivol, Murtazaliev, Madrimov, Jannibek, etc, more well known to casual fans?

I can play this game too

You can keep making excuses for the sport of Boxing's terrible promotional practices all you want, be my guest

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Ultimately the question will be is the product popular or will it flop because eventually others may copy the model but then what will define the "best" league. Shakur, Devin, tank, Ryan while not Canelo will be the last gen to get "overpaid", my question is what happens with an Abdullah Mason type as he has seen the over payment era from the outside, and when it's his time to be top dog will he be fine with what is considered "fair"? That fair will likely be more than he makes now but it likely won't be the 5-10 gaurentee with back end others got and let's not even talk them 30-40m cats

Yeah essentially the salaries are going to go back down to earth and if you're a superstar you're going to get paid if you're a mid-level you'll get mid-level pay and if your bottom tier you'll get decent but it won't be earth shattering money.

But the days of Thurman and the Charlos sitting on their asses while doing FUKK ALL is gonna go away.

The biggest question ultimately is going to be the length of the contracts the terms and if you can fight out your contract or will you have it constantly escalating renew like Dana does with people.

That's why I think there will still be a place for the other companies just as a buffer to getting fukked.

It's also going to be very curious if he's going to let those guys keep the freedom of their sponsors and their other promotional companies on the side that they get right now. No way they're giving that up.

But for the current 12-15 year-old crew looking to break into boxing, make the Olympics and then get signed to promotional outfit that's going to be the new normal to them going forward.

It should help them build their names pretty well too, although Arum did a really really good job of building the best guys out of the Olympics. He just sucks long-term

My biggest concern is obviously Dana isn't doing this out of the goodness of his heart- he's doing this to monopolize and eventually bring some things to control that I think a lot of guys are not going to want to give up.

Makes me wonder if he tried to get Eddie and Frank onboard to do this and they both was like fukk nah

Boxers have the most autonomy out of every athlete on planet Earth and they're not going to bend to his will. And that's why he got Turki. Cause NO WAY Crawford or Canelo's of the world sign with Zuffa Boxing or take his shyt.

 

[TheNig]

Good Lord, Sibley Scoles is too damn fine.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Yeah essentially the salaries are going to go back down to earth and if you're a superstar you're going to get paid if you're a mid-level you'll get mid-level pay and if your bottom tier you'll get decent but it won't be earth shattering money.

But the days of Thurman and the Charlos sitting on their asses while doing FUKK ALL is gonna go away.

The biggest question ultimately is going to be the length of the contracts the terms and if you can fight out your contract or will you have it constantly escalating renew like Dana does with people.

That's why I think there will still be a place for the other companies just as a buffer to getting fukked.

It's also going to be very curious if he's going to let those guys keep the freedom of their sponsors and their other promotional companies on the side that they get right now. No way they're giving that up.

But for the current 12-15 year-old crew looking to break into boxing, make the Olympics and then get signed to promotional outfit that's going to be the new normal to them going forward.

It should help them build their names pretty well too, although Arum did a really really good job of building the best guys out of the Olympics. He just sucks long-term

My biggest concern is obviously Dana isn't doing this out of the goodness of his heart- he's doing this to monopolize and eventually bring some things to control that I think a lot of guys are not going to want to give up.

Makes me wonder if he tried to get Eddie and Frank onboard to do this and they both was like fukk nah

Boxers have the most autonomy out of every athlete on planet Earth and they're not going to bend to his will. And that's why he got Turki. Cause NO WAY Crawford or Canelo's of the world sign with Zuffa Boxing or take his shyt.

I really feel the Sanctioning Bodies will form like Voltron with their preferred Promoter for their own league, but the issue with boxing right now is nobody wants to put up the money to be a media platform for this stuff. I feel Salaries are going to drop regardless, but if we look at PBC for example current state Tank keeps them in the green and Benevidez isn't gettin insane pay days, everyone else is aging out and they don't have a young batch of fighters that I can think of to pull from. Shakur said he got a career payday with this Turki card but if I remember correctly he was get 2-3Ms a fight with TR (and they were losing money), so career pay day for him could be 4-5Ms. I can see an ANNUAL contract for TOP tier league fighters maybe being 1-3Ms annually with stipulation of 2-3 Fights Min a year. The TKO entities WWE and UFC were not letting folks get money outside of them so I assume it will be the same with this boxing shyt, that could be where the promoters/sanctioning bodies get an edge where its "hey I will get you 2-3Ms a year for 2-3 fights and you can get whatever sponsorships you want too". So that "star" can go get their Asics deal and promote some car wash and boost income. The Backend pay is def going away I`m sure though.

 

[theflyest]

LOL Boxing doesn’t need 4 “main“ belts. Besides, boxing has plenty of regional belts if a fighter wants to illustrate they’re on the right trajectory.

Imagine how popular boxing would be if the sport actually had structure.

I would also like to consolidate some of these weight classes as well. There are way too many weight classes IMO.

 

[TheNig]

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

The social media war has begun!

Boxers throwing up their WBC belt..basically fuk you Turki snd Ring bullshyt faux committee.

Interesting!

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

British!!!