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[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

golden boy all up in yo video...

 

[Big D Bangston]

This dude Luis Ortiz is a scrub breh










nikka is a bonafide PED abuser and his career is a lie. Get him outta here

Is this a new test?

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Is this a new test?

Yep. And his team is saying it is complicated because it was a blood pressure medication that he needs for medical purposes...but brehs here pointed at PED uses it had. He also never included it on the medication waiver list when filed with the sanction body, which would seem obvious if it was legit.

 

[Newzz]

Is this a new test?

Yep. Failed the WBC test....then weeks later, fails a new WBA test


Dude is a cheater and planned to use roids to destroy the image of Wilder & Joshua by KOing one of em with PEDs in his system

 

[Bigblackted4]

Yep. Failed the WBC test....then weeks later, fails a new WBA test


Dude is a cheater and planned to use roids to destroy the image of Wilder & Joshua by KOing one of em with PEDs in his system

Yeah get bro out of here. He’s done!!

 

[morris]

Hurd is the real deal but needs to work on his defense

 

[LennoxWine]

I'm not too impressed with Lubin. He'll get better, but he's not betting the Charlos, Andrade, or Lara. A Tony Harrison type would be good to see where he stands. Lubinson stands.

Explain this please

Gladly. I've been watching Lubin since before he became a pro. He was a good amateur, but needed more time to hone his skills. Unfortunately, Mike Tyson came along offering these young guys contracts with hefty signing bonuses the moment they turned 18. Lubin was one of the them. The Mike Tyson deal didn't work out and then Lubin fell into Al Haymon's hands. Haymon's trying to pick up the pieces but I fear it's too late. The kid is gonna be in line for a title shot well before he's ready.

When I say I'm not too impressed, I mean his skills aren't what they should be for someone talking title shot in a stacked division. "Chop down Charlo," really? He's good, but not SPECIAL. I don't look at records, when analyzing young fighters. You know how many fighter go undefeated in their first 20 or so fights? I breakdown what I see and how it would look at the next level. I saw him gas a little in his fight against Montero and he was trying too hard for the knockout. His power is decent at best. Problem is when you fight at the highest level, guys aren't just more skilled, they tend to also be more durable. Taking that into account, his style will have to be adjusted as his career goes on. This means relying more on boxing skills, which is where the amateur pedigree would've came in.

What I mean by "He'll get better," is that he's still sharpening skills that should've been sharpened in the amateurs. Of course at his age he'll get better with experience, but it's not enough. When I see a young fighter who's SPECIAL I can look at them and say, he ready. Lubin ain't ready. When you look at Errol Spence, it's like dayum, he just might be the one. It's not the same for Lubin, different levels of talent.

That being said, Lara and Andrade are just different levels of talent than Lubin. At no point do I see him competing with them. Now the Charlo brothers he may be able to do something with DOWN THE LINE. Too soon and he risk taking a hard L which can hurt his spirit and ruin what could be a decent to good career.

Breh... :forreal:


I disagree with all of this and have been following Lubin since the beginning of his career.




Seems about that time



I already did the carfax on him 3 years ago...and HE, not Shakur Stevenson, was thought of as the best chance for us to win the Olympic Gold, which was why Team USA was pissed at Tyson


Also, Tysons Promotions folded...that's why Lubin was available. You saying "it didn't work out" was kinda disrespectful to the potential Lubin had and has.

By the way, you do know Lubin has never even faced a guy with a losing record...everyone he beat had a winning record.

Spence? He is 6 years younger than Spence and has more potential...Lubin is 21, Spence is 27 which is the same age Adrien Broner is (the same Broner people thought was funny to laugh at when he said HE WAS young bc he's 27...so I'm sure nobody considers Spence young either, bc that would be inconsistent).


Regardless though, you'll see

So, we have different opinions on what his full potential would be. Can we agree that he needs time to develop whatever potential it is that we think he has? Because my main point was that he isn't ready for Jermall Charlo RIGHT NOW. I believe he's at least a full year worth of fights before he needs to be in the ring with Charlo. He's talking one fight and then title shot. You think he can beat Jrock right now?

I been believed he can beat J Rock...yes. I've always rankes him ahead of J Rock and think he beats Jermell Charlo as well right now.

Jermall Charlo...wont fight him anyways bc he's going to 160, but if they fought I'm choosing Lubin. I believe in him.

At least not by my definition. There's good, great, and special. Floyd Mayweather. Special. Pernell Whitaker. Special. Sugar Ray's. Special
Mayweather won his first title at 21 against a good fighter in Genaro Hernandez. Special fighters can do that. Lubin isn't on the same level of talent as those guys. I see Lubin being a good fighter with a very slim chance of being great. There's just too many strong fighters around him to see greatness in his future. You have the guys who are already stacking the 154 lbs division. You have the welterweights who will be moving up eventually. At this stage in his career, he shouldn't be fighting any top 4 junior middleweight. He's at least a year's worth of solid fights away. His best chance would be against the Jermell Charlo because he's smaller and rather basic himself. Jermall Charlo presents an even bigger problem. He'll NEVER beat a Lara or Andrade because of styles. They outbox him easily.

Okay that's cool that you think that, and I appreciate the paragraph. But do you want to be specific breh? I mean you're talking down on him like he's 27-28 not 21. Furthermore, you aren't being specific--although you're pontificating on him being just good. Is it the jab? Lack of jab? Movement? Power? D? Intangibles? Chin? What besides sometimes going back in straight lines, and not always being in position defensively is he missing?

Floyd had minor flaws even at the end of his career, same with any fighter that is special. Manny Pac is special, he also been KTFO and has been embarrassed. Etc. etc.

Look at my avi. I'm 5'11.5"205 and dude is just as tall as me, but clearly hasn't filled out yet. Like I said breh is 21.

 

[Newzz]

His skill is what it is. His chin is what it is.



I still believe in Lubin.



#HammerHeads

 

[Newzz]

 

[Newzz]

Bread holding a grudge




And hinting heavy at PED use




I wonder if he's heard something for real, or just salty

 

[Newzz]

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

So wheres all that shyt that was being talked about Team Choc earlier this year?? Yall been mighty quiet

 

[reservoirdogs]

Khan got a decent line up too

Barrera, Kotelnik, Paulie, Maidana, Judah, Lamont, Garcia, Collazo, Devon Alexander, canelo

true, although Barrera, Judah and Collazo were all way past prime when he fought them
and Devon was on pills

still a nce list of names

 

[reservoirdogs]

Tevin Farmer vs Vasyl Lomachenko unification eventually

I think first HBO does some league between "their" champions
Farmer/Ogawa vs Berchelt/Salido vs Corrales/Machado all on HBO

then the winner can unify with Loma Rigo

 

[reservoirdogs]

Bread holding a grudge




And hinting heavy at PED use




I wonder if he's heard something for real, or just salty

being arrogant and such is forgivable for me if a fighter has some plus in their style, some fun, like Eubank Jr. can be arrogant sometimes but dude is chill and has humor, Floyd or Broner too, hell even Fury with his trash talk, the Charlos are just seem to be plain a$$holes w/o anything funny or sympathetic about them. Ppl can talk all that stuff about the chip on their shoulder and etc... I still don't like when fighters act like they do especially after the fights. His brother, Jermall ruined his own victory lap with the fukked up character he showed after the J. Rock fight, the whole arena booed him after the best win of his career. If that wasn't a wake up call then idk...
Like why can't you be normal with your opponents after the fight?
They take everything a personal offense. You don't really see other fighters do that and boxing or not, combat sport or not it's not a good thing imo. It's still a sport and I tend to think it's not good if someone is hyper sensible in pro sports.



this is basically why these dudes always going to feel underappreciated. They are very good but still overrate themselves. Dude KOd fukking Charles Hatley and now a hot but still untested prospect and thinks he is fighter of the year