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[Creflo ½ Dollar]

What yall thinking about Loma/Walters?..me personally thinks Loma passes the eye test but his level of competition ain't been up there. Walters has a better resume IMO. I think Walters power makes Loma play it safe and them lil shoeshine combos ain't gne cut it again axe man

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Yea breh lemmie stop you right there....
Here yall go still trying to compare Pacquiao to a ppv flop who fights on reggie hbo who's highest ppv was 97-150k buys.

ggg aint pacquiao in any way no matter how much his Stanleys believe it..

That isn't the point of what I am saying. That is spinning it just like like ODH is trying to spin that the offer is so great.

We all already know Canelo is the A-side and can sell a PPV by himself. That isn't the debate.

The whole point is: does having GGG as an opponent make the PPV more successful? If so, pay him accordingly.

If you have a problem with it, the argument isn't disparaging that GGG isn't shyt commercially. It is telling us why GGG won't make the PPV more successful? I don't think there is an argument as to why GGG won't help the numbers be better than if Canelo fought anyone else. That is why GGG gets to negotiate and have some leverage, despite being the B-side.

 

[patscorpio]

What yall thinking about Loma/Walters?..me personally thinks Loma passes the eye test but his level of competition ain't been up there. Walters has a better resume IMO. I think Walters power makes Loma play it safe and them lil shoeshine combos ain't gne cut it again axe man

the axe man takes off another head

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

What yall thinking about Loma/Walters?..me personally thinks Loma passes the eye test but his level of competition ain't been up there. Walters has a better resume IMO. I think Walters power makes Loma play it safe and them lil shoeshine combos ain't gne cut it again axe man

We have a pretty big Walters contingent, but I think most people think Loma will win.

Loma is a top 3 fighter currently based off of pure skills. Walters is a hard puncher and very admirable technically, but he isn't nearly as skilled as Loma.
Walters is coming off a layoff and naturally is big at 130. His conditioning might be suspect if the fight goes deep.
Loma has more power than given credit for. Usually his punches land flush and in a fashion that he defeats the opponents defense, so they are landing no matter what.
Disagree in Loma's competition. He has made good competition look pathetic. Made a top fighter in GRJ look outclassed and that was with GRJ having arguably the fastest hands in boxing.
The biggest question is Loma's chin. If his chin is anything respectable, although Walters shouldn't find it as easily as he does on his other opponents, Loma should outbox Walters to a comfortable decision IMO.

the axe man takes off another head

Nope.

 

[Black_Jesus]

That isn't the point of what I am saying. That is spinning it just like like ODH is trying to spin that the offer is so great.

We all already know Canelo is the A-side and can sell a PPV by himself. That isn't the debate.

The whole point is: does having GGG as an opponent make the PPV more successful? If so, pay him accordingly.

If you have a problem with it, the argument isn't disparaging that GGG isn't shyt commercially. It is telling us why GGG won't make the PPV more successful? I don't think there is an argument as to why GGG won't help the numbers be better than if Canelo fought anyone else. That is why GGG gets to negotiate and have some leverage, despite being the B-side.

They are paying him accordingly.. Thats why he's getting a career high payday of $10 million... according to his ppv flop and merchandise sells

The problem isn't us thinking its a great offer .. The problem is people thinking its a low ball offer.. He has done nothing to prove this offer isn't fair.. cant compare him to Pacquiao.. cant compare his offer to anyone else.. name any other fighter that was the obvious B side that made more than $10 million that isn't Pacquiao...

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

They are paying him accordingly.. Thats why he's getting a career high payday of $10 million... according to his ppv flop and merchandise sells

The problem isn't us thinking its a great offer .. The problem is people thinking its a low ball offer.. He has done nothing to prove this offer isn't fair.. cant compare him to Pacquiao.. cant compare his offer to anyone else.. name any other fighter that was the obvious B side that made more than $10 million that isn't Pacquiao...

I get what you are saying, but my point is that until we truly know the numbers of what they are budgeting the revenue at, we can't say $10 million is fair or not.
If it turns out $10 million is say 1/3 of the pot, I would say it is fair. But if $10 million turns out to be 10% of the pot, GGG is not wrong telling GB to kick rocks.

That is what I mean when I compare it to the Pacquiao situation. The casuals thought Pacquiao was getting a great deal at $40 million flat fee. It sounds great, but we didn't know how big the pot was. If Pacquiao made $40 million and Floyd got $60 million, then I think we could all say it would have been a fair deal. But of what the total pot ended up being, $40 million was nothing.

And when it comes to fair split, I argue it should be when a fighter directly affects the revenue of the fight. I don't think Pacquiao should have had to pay Bradley anything crazy special, because Bradley doesn't affect the revenue of the fight that much. But in this case, I think the GGG-Canelo matchup directly affects Canelo's income. Because of GGG, Canelo will make more. Canelo should still get the larger split, but GGG should be compensated for making Canelo more money.

We could go all day/everyday arguing about what is fair. As long as the revenue is a fair split of the total event revenue, no one should have a problem, regardless of whether GGG makes less than $10 million, exactly $10 million, or more than $10 million.

 

[patscorpio]

Nope.

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

Made a top fighter in GRJ

You wildin breh... GRJ is good but he only fought 2 live fighters his whole career. You can't judge his skill on TBA and his win over Gonzalez was impressive but Gonzalez is who we thought he was.

I agree on the potential weight problems and stamina issues but I'm not saying Walters comp is all that but I just dnt see the hype to be real besides the natural skill. Plus like one poster said awhile ago Walters should be going for the KO since he know he isn't gne win on the cards. He needs atleast 2kds to win on cards in my opinion

We got to see how he gne do all that pretty shyt with that axe swinging

 

[GzUp]

I sense fukkery in the future

 

[Axum Ezana]

 

[GzUp]

What yall thinking about Loma/Walters?..me personally thinks Loma passes the eye test but his level of competition ain't been up there. Walters has a better resume IMO. I think Walters power makes Loma play it safe and them lil shoeshine combos ain't gne cut it again axe man

My only issue was that he didn't sit in his punches and I doubted he had power, that has changed

 

[reservoirdogs]

What yall thinking about Loma/Walters?..me personally thinks Loma passes the eye test but his level of competition ain't been up there. Walters has a better resume IMO. I think Walters power makes Loma play it safe and them lil shoeshine combos ain't gne cut it again axe man

We will see
I like Loma but Walters is one of my favs so I will root for him

Loma didn't have as powerful, precise and big opponent as Walters so far.
Loma's biggest weakness imo is that he goes too close to the fire without getting extra protection on. He mostly relies his nice reflexes and angles butthat can easily backfire against someone as cunning and powerful as Walters. If Loma isn't extremely cautious Walters will get him. I can't imagine tht he could play the same thing against Walters what he did against Roman Martinez, to roll around him, up close from many different angles, peppering up him with barrage of punches. Walters is much faster then Roman Martinez both physically and (and most importantly) in head too.
Of course Walters has his defensive holes too so that's a chance for Lma too.

It will be very interesting nevertheless.

I'm curious who will get the better off if the fight stays on the outside.

Something tells me that Walters will win but at least that Loma's chin will get tested on this fight

 

[mr. smoke weed]

What yall thinking about Loma/Walters?..me personally thinks Loma passes the eye test but his level of competition ain't been up there. Walters has a better resume IMO. I think Walters power makes Loma play it safe and them lil shoeshine combos ain't gne cut it again axe man

I got PBL winning 8-4 with there being a KD not sure for who though

 

[SuikodenII]

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

My only issue was that he didn't sit in his punches and I doubted he had power, that has changed

Yea it's good combined with his reflexes and speed but is it enough to make walters gun shy I doubt it. GRJ wasn't marked up or hurt IIRC. I'm saying GRJ because he was the last live-body he went against