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Black_Jesus said:
Copp is wrong and is just repeating rumors... Oscar has already said they would get an upside, but that it wont be up for negotiation.. people are taking it as if there wont be an upside
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To me the most important thing isn't if there is an upside. Everyone is getting enamored with the fact there could be an "upside". The upside could be complete bullshyt and not amount to much money. We don't know. I don't have a problem if GGG's team agreed and GB offered a flat fee and upside that equaled a fair division of the pot.

I guess it comes down to the fact we don't know exactly what GB and K2 are estimating fight revenue to be. It is possible that $10 million plus an "upside" could be an incredibly small portion of the overall pot. That is why we can't condemn before we even know the situation. Most outside people I have seen have felt that a Canelo-GGG pot should be split somewhere in the neighberhood of 66% Canelo, 34% GGG...:whoa: now I am not saying that is what negotiations should or will be, just saying what is being reported. But if $10 million or $10 million plus an upside is like 85/15 split of their projected fight revenue, GGG's team would be foolish to take it.

Again the whole number, wherever it comes from, should come from projected fight revenue. This fight should easily get to high 6 figures on PPV and I wouldn't be surprised if it did close to a milly or over. You'll have 80k + fans at Cowboys Stadium, plus good international rights, sponsors, and you damn sure we counting them hot dog sales :umad:. I think people are too easily enamored with GB's first offer. It is doing exactly what ODH wanted it to do. It sounds good when reported, so people are going to put pressure on GGG. But people in the industry and who know the possible financials of this fight are calling bullshyt.
 
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Newzz said:
He was asking does Floyd vs Garcia/Thurman do more than Canelo/GGG....and I think so.


Floyd is MUCH bigger than Canelo. He did 550k vs Berto in a fight where everyone was on board with Berto losing clearly beforehand, and who has no fanbase to speak of:wow:


Floyd vs Thurman or Garcia (whoever wins)? I think does at least a milli or close to it:manny:
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I misread that. Yeah, Floyd is still the PPV king. Staying away probably actually helps him. The PPV market was/is soft and there was turn off from the Pacquiao fight. But, you know people will tune in to see Floyd if he comes back. Especially if he fought the Garcia-Thurman winner, which will get a good CBS showing. :wow:
 
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GREENandYELLOW said:
To me the most important thing isn't if there is an upside. Everyone is getting enamored with the fact there could be an "upside". The upside could be complete bullshyt and not amount to much money. We don't know. I don't have a problem if GGG's team agreed and GB offered a flat fee and upside that equaled a fair division of the pot.

I guess it comes down to the fact we don't know exactly what GB and K2 are estimating fight revenue to be. It is possible that $10 million plus an "upside" could be an incredibly small portion of the overall pot. That is why we can't condemn before we even know the situation. Most outside people I have seen have felt that a Canelo-GGG pot should be split somewhere in the neighberhood of 66% Canelo, 34% GGG...:whoa: now I am not saying that is what negotiations should or will be, just saying what is being reported. But if $10 million or $10 million plus an upside is like 85/15 split of their projected fight revenue, GGG's team would be foolish to take it.

Again the whole number, wherever it comes from, should come from projected fight revenue. This fight should easily get to high 6 figures on PPV and I wouldn't be surprised if it did close to a milly or over. You'll have 80k + fans at Cowboys Stadium, plus good international rights, sponsors, and you damn sure we counting them hot dog sales :umad:. I think people are too easily enamored with GB's first offer. It is doing exactly what ODH wanted it to do. It sounds good when reported, so people are going to put pressure on GGG. But people in the industry and who know the possible financials of this fight are calling bullshyt.
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$10 million guaranteed plus 15% of ppv revenue sounds like a great deal ggg should take to me..

i just dont see what leverage ggg has when since ggg sold 97k-150k ppvs, Canelo has sold damn near 2 million..

I fail to see how ggg is entitled to or owed a penny more than $10 million looking at his highest purses and his ppv numbers

I also dont see how anyone in their right mind can call $10 million a low ball offer..

He had he opporunity to prove his ppv worth after Lemieux but HBO was too shook to even put his fights on ppv.. This isn't Oscar or Canelo's problem though.. They already proved their worth on ppv.. ggg has not

If he doesn't accept the offer (for the second time) Canelo will walk away from ggg. as they should...

Ggg cant have that shytty resume while being a ppv flop WHILE demanding a Pacquiao split from Canelo of all people.. Doesn't make sense.. ggg gonna have to get down or lay down..

If he refuse to do so, being a middleaged man and all, I hope he starts working on his 401k plan real soon :jawalrus:
 
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Oh and for anyone who is good and finding shyt out, the poster who was a Jacobs insider at that other forum...he is a mod as well, and his friend there as been calling him "Steve". Someone with digging skills could find someone in Danny's camp and we might learn who it is and their connection with Jacobs.


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EDIT: He is now not denying that they were negotiating for more money, also said there is other things of issue beside money.
 
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Don't debate the mentally ill? That's a quote from Doug Fischer in regards to triple g? :heh:

I'm checking out of this Canelo/Triple g stuff until at least June of next year. Too many positive things in boxing for one to look at.
 
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Black_Jesus said:
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Oscar already stated that there would be an upside while you're wasting time twitter fingering about rumors and about what Doug fischer "thinks"
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Now, there's a difference in between what I do on twitter vs what yall do on here.


I actually get questions answered and find out some info we wouldn't normally have, because I spend my time on twitter building a bridge between myself and the people who hold the insider's info...........in order to bring BACK factual info to yall so we know what the hell we're talking about:ufdup:



I could be selfish, and just post on twitter and repeat the info in the chat with my brehs on here, but instead, Im sharing the wealth. ESPECIALLY considering that mostly everyone I tagged do not respond back to people they don't know:ufdup:


Don't be ungrateful:pacspit:
 
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