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Why should I be mad? He finna whpop keith ass in early 2017

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Cause he's fiesting on some taxi driver ten months after he got awarded with s WBC belt for beating Roberto "The shot" Guerrero? :yeshrug:

Without any serious injury or promotional conflicts. So probably pretty much from his own choice.

You say the WBC ww champ gonna take on a dangerous opponent 4 years after Matthysse? :ohhh:

That Thurman fight ain't even finalized yet btw it's all rumours at this point.
I want it to happen but don't be surprised if it won't happen, just take a look how PBC handles its business in the recent months and also include that chances are that one or both of them will demand some fukking high, out of the world purse as boxers usually do with bigger fights nowadays :francis:
 

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If it happens Thurman finna ends Danny's fukkery and takes that 0.
If Thurman won't fight stupid then Danny won't be able to handle his movement.


March though... that's fukking 5 months from now. :shaq2:
 

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i hope that wealthTV picks this up..i really dont want to stream this

malik scott though :scust:


I understand why Hearn has Ortiz matched with a dude like Scott in his first bout with him; you want to get that impressive win for Ortiz in his first bout so the hype train can begin to be revved up for Ortiz as Hearn tries to position him in big fights with big names.
Now if his second fight is against Kelvin Price we are going to have some issues.
 

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So, About that Heavyweight Renaissance…
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By Cliff Rold

There was a real feeling of change in the air.

After years of almost casual dominance at the top of the class, and oft-malignant mediocrity beneath it, heavyweight was showing new signs of life in the last year or so. One could see it coming longer than that.

The class was getting younger and more aggressive. New personalities, and new displays of power, came together in 2015 with the coronation of a new heavyweight king. Tyson Fury outboxed Wladimir Klitschko.

The status quo was shaken for the first time in nearly a decade.

Heading into 2016, the possibility of fresh matches and a sort of round robin mixing the new and established generations was palpable. There would be a rematch between Fury and Klitschko, a showdown between Deontay Wilder and Alexander Povetkin, and the continued emergence of Anthony Joshua, Luis Ortiz, and Joseph Parker as fresh threats to the top.

It hasn’t worked out that way.

The heavyweight renaissance has hit some stumbling blocks.

On Wednesday, lineal heavyweight champion Fury vacated all of his sanctioning body titles as he seeks help for reported mental health issues and documented drug problems. His promoter made clear they maintain he is history’s champion for future purposes. That won’t mean much until he comes back.

If he comes back.

Wilder is out with a hand injury until next year. Povetkin and Wilder are still set to do battle, but in court after controversies over the drug test results from their collapsed encounter. Povetkin will instead face Bermane Stiverne in a decent fight that doesn’t look like a scorcher.

Ortiz is set to face Malik Scott, which is the same as wait until next year as well.

Joshua has stayed active, winning a belt this year and with a potential mandatory against Parker that may not happen. Fury’s abdication allows Parker a chance to win a vacant belt against untested Andy Ruiz.

We might get Joshua-Klitschko as a salve for the year, but network issues abound. Joshua has an agreement for his fights to be aired in the US by Showtime. Klitschko is still tied in the US to HBO. That’s never been an easy fix.

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HBO has rarely played well with others, particularly when it comes to the heavyweight division. They were a major stumbling block to attempts to make a fight between Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson as early as 1996 and played a role in delaying a unification bout between Lewis and Holyfield until it was aired through their network.

While we’ve seen record riches below heavyweight in this still young century, heavyweight is still the most consistent cash cow in boxing. Right now, Klitschko is HBO’s big chip in the division and the most recognizable name in the class. They’re going to protect their interests.

Maybe we get Joshua-Klitschko; maybe not.

Without it, this year will be as disappointing as it was once promising.

For most of the Klitschko years, there has been a feeling in the US press that the division was unhealthy. It was a parochial point of view and completely untrue. Heavyweight has remained vibrant at the box office. Klitschko became a regular stadium attraction that drew millions of eyes globally, if with less in the US than once was the case for the big men. His bout with David Haye was a generational superfight in terms of audience and butts in seats.

Unhealthy was being confused with an in-ring product that was ordinary. That had less to do with Klitschko than the rest of the class. It’s been noted in this space before but bears repeating: the last truly great heavyweight fight, the last genuine classic at the title level, was the WBO title clash between Lamon Brewster and Sergey Liakhovich.

That was a great fight by any measure, the fight of the year in 2006 if not for the Jr. featherweight war between Somsak Sithchatchawal and Mahyar Monshipour.

Heavyweight hasn’t had a fight in that conversation since and only a handful of bouts anyone really remembers. That’s what made, and makes, the crop of Wilder, Ortiz, Parker, and Joshua so intriguing. Along with the big talking, if sometimes less thrilling, Fury, we’re sitting on a heavyweight division with real power punchers who come to score knockouts.

We’re still waiting to see them start fighting each other.

The heavyweight renaissance doesn’t really begin until they do.

2017 could be the year we were hoping to see in 2016. It couldn’t be any worse.

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So Andrade is supposed to fight one time in 2016, and then sit out the rest of the year & wait until 2017 for his next fight in the tournament (winner of Charlo/Hatley)?


Is that what you're suggesting his plan of action should've been?


Artie Pellulo presented us with the opportunity to fight Jack Culcay. We asked Artie if taking another fight outside the WBC tournament would prohibit us from further participation. Artie informed us that he would get permission from the WBC to fight Jack Culcay, and that fighting him would not jeopardize our standing in WBC Tournament.

Artie then relayed to us that we had been granted permission from the WBC to fight Culcay, and that our standing in the WBC Tournament would not be jeopardized. With the understanding that we had permission to make the fight, we went forward with negotiations to fight Jack Culcay.




He asked his promoter to get the situation settled, his promoter said it was all good, but it's Andrade’s fault? :francis:


If that's the case, I might as well start directly blaming Swift too for his lack of activity & opponent choices, since we blaming the Boxer now instead of the people who put together the fights (Artie/Haymon).
This should be the sign for Andrade that his promoter is ass and use this situation as justification for getting out of his contract because it is obvious that Pellulo either never got it cleared with the WBC for the Culcay fight to take place or he was told by the WBC that taking the fight would cost Andrade his spot in the WBC tourney and lied to Andrade.
Either way he needs to get a new promoter because Banner Promotions fukked him over in this instance.
 

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This should be the sign for Andrade that his promoter is ass and use this situation as justification for getting out of his contract because it is obvious that Pellulo either never got it cleared with the WBC for the Culcay fight to take place or he was told by the WBC that taking the fight would cost Andrade his spot in the WBC tourney and lied to Andrade.
Either way he needs to get a new promoter because Banner Promotions fukked him over in this instance.


In this instance and the instance with Roc Nation :snoop:



Jay Z’s Roc Nation Sports hit with $20 million lawsuit as boxing promoters claim agency tried to steal client
$20M suit claims Jay Z's agency tried to steal client
BY Mitch Abramson
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, August 1, 2015, 1:54 AM
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Demetrius Andrade (r.) hasn’t fought since last June’s bout at Barclays Center.
(Ken Goldfield/(Ken Goldfield for Ny Daily News)
Mitch Abramson
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, August 1, 2015, 1:54 AM


Jay Z and his new boxing agency attempted to lure away a rising young boxing star with promises of fame and fortune even though he was signed with rival promoters, a new lawsuit claims.

The Bronx-based promoter Joe DeGuardia of Star Boxing and Artie Pelullo of Banner Promotions filed a $20 million suit on Wednesday in New York State Supreme court alleging that Jay Z’s Roc Nation Sports “intentionally interfered with an Exclusive Promotional Agreement” it has with world champion Demetrius Andrade.

According to a copy of a complaint obtained by the Daily News, Jay Z’s Roc Nation Sports offered to give Andrade $550,000 to reject a fight DeGuardia and Pelullo had negotiated with Showtime under the guise that Roc Nation would buy out his contract and become his new promoter.

The suit adds that Andrade pulled out of the Showtime deal, but the former WBO junior middleweight champion never received the money he was promised by Roc Nation, which also never purchased his contract from DeGuardia and Pelullo. Making matters worse, Andrade was stripped of his WBO title on Friday for inactivity.

Roc Nation Sports declined comment on Thursday.


The suit also names D.C. attorney Jeffrey Fried, alleging he is a former consultant with Roc Nation and was involved in the power play to help Roc Nation sign Andrade.

Sold on the vision of Jay Z and thinking he would become a crossover star like other Roc Nation clients, Andrade rejected the fight deal that DeGuardia and Pelullo worked out with Showtime for him, according to the complaint.

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Desiree Perez, one of Jay Z’s confidants, was allegedly part of a group selling Demetrius Andrade on opportunities outside of the ring with Roc Nation Sports.
(Corey Sipkin/New York Daily News)

Rhode Island’s Andrade (21-0, 14 knockouts) has not fought since June of last year at Barclays Center.

The suit says that Roc Nation and Fried “acted willfully, maliciously, recklessly, wantonly and with intent to injure Star Boxing and Banner Promotions,” which co-promotes Andrade.

They are seeking two causes of actions totaling “at least” $20 million in damages as well as punitive damages, the suit says.

“Roc Nation’s promise to Andrade was made under false pretenses, namely, that Roc Nation was negotiating to purchase Andrade’s contract from the promoters and thereafter would negotiate a more lucrative bout for Andrade on HBO,” the lawsuit says. “Ultimately, Andrade agreed to Roc Nation’s false inducements and spurned the professional boxing match the promoters had negotiated with Showtime.”


According to the suit, Roc Nation rolled out a full-court press on Andrade to get him to leave his promoters.

On Sept. 23, 2014, Roc Nation’s higher-ups — Jay Z confidante Desiree Perez, president of Roc Nation Sports Juan Perez, head of marketing/branding Michael Yormark, Fried and head of Roc Nation boxing David Itskowitch — allegedly met with Andrade and his father, as well as manager Ed Farris, at their ritzy Manhattan offices.

At the meeting, Roc Nation tried to impress upon Andrade his untapped out-of-the-ring potential in the areas of a clothing-line endorsement, advertising sponsorships and even modeling assignments, the suit says.


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Jay Z's Roc Nation Sports boasts a roster of some A-list talent.
(Gregory Pace/FilmMagic)

The suit alleges that Roc Nation officials told Andrade they wanted to make him the first signing of their newly created boxing division, which opened in the summer of 2014.

“We look forward and would be honored to work with him and have him be the boxer to bless our boxing division by being first,” Desiree Perez allegedly wrote in an email to Farris on Sept. 24, 2014, according to the suit.

When told Andrade already had promotional representation, Fried said he planned to contact DeGuardia and Pelullo about purchasing his promotional rights and it was represented to Farris that up to $2 million would be paid to accomplish this, according to the suit.

Then, sometime in November of 2014, the suit alleges, Fried told Harris that Jay Z had personally signed off on giving Andrade $550,000 to reject an offer by DeGuardia and Pelullo for Andrade to fight Jermell Charlo on Dec. 13, 2014, at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas as part of a lucrative four-fight deal with Showtime.

The suit alleges that Fried informed Andrade’s manager that Roc Nation was already “negotiating with senior HBO executives” about Andrade fighting on the rival network and that once Roc Nation became his full-time promoter a deal would be worked out allowing Andrade “a lesser opponent for more money” on HBO.

Farris and Andrade ended up passing up the Showtime deal as a result of his dealings with Roc Nation, the complaint says. The suit claims that neither Roc Nation nor Fried ever tendered Andrade the $550,000 even after he pulled out of the Dec. 13 fight. Moreover, no serious efforts were ever made to purchase his promotional contract from DeGuardia and Pelullo, the suit says.


$20M suit claims Jay Z's agency tried to steal client




You know Demetrius, most people probably haven't seen you and don't know why you've been gone for so long. I mean, I heard kind of what happened and I think the last thing people heard was you and Jermell Charlo were trying to fight last December and it didn't happen. Can you just explain to everybody just what were some of the circumstances that prevented you from being in the ring the last 16 months?

DA: Yeah, I mean, you can read everything on the lawsuit and everything about that is true. I was going to fight Jermell or Jermall, whichever one of them it was, it doesn't matter. I was going to fight one of those guys. I did agree to fight them, but then a situation came up with Roc Nation where I was going to be bought out and for me not to take that fight. I'm looking at it like, I'm talking to the billion dollar man now. I'm talking to a man that his caliber of celebrity and promoting things is everywhere. So me as a person, knowing that I'm here with Jay-Z, the face of Roc Nation, and he's telling me he wants me to be on his squad and his team. And all the opportunities that come with it, like I said, the marketing and exposure and him putting his own cards up, I'm looking at it like, "Yeah, that's a good move. Why not?" He does do shows and has plugs with networks like HBO. He had just done the Kevin Durant special on HBO [The Offseason]. That avenue brings more than just boxing. It brings you the level that's going to make you a superstar.

But I don't know what happened. Things ain't go through. And after that, I went ahead and told Showtime and my promoters, "Let's make that [Charlo] fight happen," and I signed the contract. I showed proof that I signed it in January and he ran off and didn't sign it. So who really pulled out the fight? When people mention pulling out, they know why I refused to take the fight in December, but it wasn't because I didn't want to fight the kid. It was because of the situation at hand and it didn't go well, so I was like, you know what, let's just make the fight happen. He went and fought Vanes Martirosyan, which I thought was a close fight. It probably could've went either way, but I thought Vanes won the fight. My promoters then weren't able to get the Mundine fight I was trying to get. The Liam Smith fight, before he fought John Thompson, that was another option, but that didn't go through. I think there was a story about me moving up to 160 and that wasn't true. So just a lot of bullshyt that went on out there that's not true and someone had to take the blame for it, so of course that had to be me. We're just happy to get back in the ring and let them know why I'm the best 154-pounder out there. Why these other guys at 154, so called the best, haven't made an offer or stepped to me and make the fight happen just like they do with everybody else. Like [Erislandy] Lara goes on to go fight Delvin Rodriguez, but he can't fight Demetrius Andrade when I called him out.



DEMETRIUS ANDRADE OPENS UP ON RING RETURN, ROC NATION LAWSUIT, AND MORE: "A SETBAK IS ANOTHER DOOR OPENING" || FIGHTHYPE.COM




Just a lot of bad luck for him outside the ring. He just needs to sign to either GBP, TR, PBC, or About Billions and call it a day imo. At least he will get more fight opportunities and bigger money:manny:
 

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Chocolatito Feels He's Being Low-Balled, Wants More Money - Boxing News


"For (2017) they are talking about the rematch with Estrada with Inoue too, but there is a lack [of money] in the negotiations, and we are not going to fight for a small purse - we will only fight for a big purse, and I think we deserve it," said Gonzalez.

Roman's manager, Carlos Blandon, said fights with Cuadras, Inoue and Estrada are being eyed for 2017.

"I'll take any of the three fights, but the problem is they do not want to pay us what we deserve. I have no problem fighting with them, the biggest problem is the money and that's what we'll need to work out," said Chocolatito.





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Has he been getting lowballed for his other HBO fights? Cause he got pretty good ratings for his last couple showing on there.
 

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In this instance and the instance with Roc Nation :snoop:



Jay Z’s Roc Nation Sports hit with $20 million lawsuit as boxing promoters claim agency tried to steal client
$20M suit claims Jay Z's agency tried to steal client
BY Mitch Abramson
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, August 1, 2015, 1:54 AM
rocnation1s-1-web.jpg

Demetrius Andrade (r.) hasn’t fought since last June’s bout at Barclays Center.
(Ken Goldfield/(Ken Goldfield for Ny Daily News)
Mitch Abramson
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, August 1, 2015, 1:54 AM


Jay Z and his new boxing agency attempted to lure away a rising young boxing star with promises of fame and fortune even though he was signed with rival promoters, a new lawsuit claims.

The Bronx-based promoter Joe DeGuardia of Star Boxing and Artie Pelullo of Banner Promotions filed a $20 million suit on Wednesday in New York State Supreme court alleging that Jay Z’s Roc Nation Sports “intentionally interfered with an Exclusive Promotional Agreement” it has with world champion Demetrius Andrade.

According to a copy of a complaint obtained by the Daily News, Jay Z’s Roc Nation Sports offered to give Andrade $550,000 to reject a fight DeGuardia and Pelullo had negotiated with Showtime under the guise that Roc Nation would buy out his contract and become his new promoter.

The suit adds that Andrade pulled out of the Showtime deal, but the former WBO junior middleweight champion never received the money he was promised by Roc Nation, which also never purchased his contract from DeGuardia and Pelullo. Making matters worse, Andrade was stripped of his WBO title on Friday for inactivity.

Roc Nation Sports declined comment on Thursday.


The suit also names D.C. attorney Jeffrey Fried, alleging he is a former consultant with Roc Nation and was involved in the power play to help Roc Nation sign Andrade.

Sold on the vision of Jay Z and thinking he would become a crossover star like other Roc Nation clients, Andrade rejected the fight deal that DeGuardia and Pelullo worked out with Showtime for him, according to the complaint.

robinson-cano-cc-sabathia.jpg

Desiree Perez, one of Jay Z’s confidants, was allegedly part of a group selling Demetrius Andrade on opportunities outside of the ring with Roc Nation Sports.
(Corey Sipkin/New York Daily News)

Rhode Island’s Andrade (21-0, 14 knockouts) has not fought since June of last year at Barclays Center.

The suit says that Roc Nation and Fried “acted willfully, maliciously, recklessly, wantonly and with intent to injure Star Boxing and Banner Promotions,” which co-promotes Andrade.

They are seeking two causes of actions totaling “at least” $20 million in damages as well as punitive damages, the suit says.

“Roc Nation’s promise to Andrade was made under false pretenses, namely, that Roc Nation was negotiating to purchase Andrade’s contract from the promoters and thereafter would negotiate a more lucrative bout for Andrade on HBO,” the lawsuit says. “Ultimately, Andrade agreed to Roc Nation’s false inducements and spurned the professional boxing match the promoters had negotiated with Showtime.”


According to the suit, Roc Nation rolled out a full-court press on Andrade to get him to leave his promoters.

On Sept. 23, 2014, Roc Nation’s higher-ups — Jay Z confidante Desiree Perez, president of Roc Nation Sports Juan Perez, head of marketing/branding Michael Yormark, Fried and head of Roc Nation boxing David Itskowitch — allegedly met with Andrade and his father, as well as manager Ed Farris, at their ritzy Manhattan offices.

At the meeting, Roc Nation tried to impress upon Andrade his untapped out-of-the-ring potential in the areas of a clothing-line endorsement, advertising sponsorships and even modeling assignments, the suit says.


beef30n-9-web.jpg

Jay Z's Roc Nation Sports boasts a roster of some A-list talent.
(Gregory Pace/FilmMagic)

The suit alleges that Roc Nation officials told Andrade they wanted to make him the first signing of their newly created boxing division, which opened in the summer of 2014.

“We look forward and would be honored to work with him and have him be the boxer to bless our boxing division by being first,” Desiree Perez allegedly wrote in an email to Farris on Sept. 24, 2014, according to the suit.

When told Andrade already had promotional representation, Fried said he planned to contact DeGuardia and Pelullo about purchasing his promotional rights and it was represented to Farris that up to $2 million would be paid to accomplish this, according to the suit.

Then, sometime in November of 2014, the suit alleges, Fried told Harris that Jay Z had personally signed off on giving Andrade $550,000 to reject an offer by DeGuardia and Pelullo for Andrade to fight Jermell Charlo on Dec. 13, 2014, at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas as part of a lucrative four-fight deal with Showtime.

The suit alleges that Fried informed Andrade’s manager that Roc Nation was already “negotiating with senior HBO executives” about Andrade fighting on the rival network and that once Roc Nation became his full-time promoter a deal would be worked out allowing Andrade “a lesser opponent for more money” on HBO.

Farris and Andrade ended up passing up the Showtime deal as a result of his dealings with Roc Nation, the complaint says. The suit claims that neither Roc Nation nor Fried ever tendered Andrade the $550,000 even after he pulled out of the Dec. 13 fight. Moreover, no serious efforts were ever made to purchase his promotional contract from DeGuardia and Pelullo, the suit says.


$20M suit claims Jay Z's agency tried to steal client




You know Demetrius, most people probably haven't seen you and don't know why you've been gone for so long. I mean, I heard kind of what happened and I think the last thing people heard was you and Jermell Charlo were trying to fight last December and it didn't happen. Can you just explain to everybody just what were some of the circumstances that prevented you from being in the ring the last 16 months?

DA: Yeah, I mean, you can read everything on the lawsuit and everything about that is true. I was going to fight Jermell or Jermall, whichever one of them it was, it doesn't matter. I was going to fight one of those guys. I did agree to fight them, but then a situation came up with Roc Nation where I was going to be bought out and for me not to take that fight. I'm looking at it like, I'm talking to the billion dollar man now. I'm talking to a man that his caliber of celebrity and promoting things is everywhere. So me as a person, knowing that I'm here with Jay-Z, the face of Roc Nation, and he's telling me he wants me to be on his squad and his team. And all the opportunities that come with it, like I said, the marketing and exposure and him putting his own cards up, I'm looking at it like, "Yeah, that's a good move. Why not?" He does do shows and has plugs with networks like HBO. He had just done the Kevin Durant special on HBO [The Offseason]. That avenue brings more than just boxing. It brings you the level that's going to make you a superstar.

But I don't know what happened. Things ain't go through. And after that, I went ahead and told Showtime and my promoters, "Let's make that [Charlo] fight happen," and I signed the contract. I showed proof that I signed it in January and he ran off and didn't sign it. So who really pulled out the fight? When people mention pulling out, they know why I refused to take the fight in December, but it wasn't because I didn't want to fight the kid. It was because of the situation at hand and it didn't go well, so I was like, you know what, let's just make the fight happen. He went and fought Vanes Martirosyan, which I thought was a close fight. It probably could've went either way, but I thought Vanes won the fight. My promoters then weren't able to get the Mundine fight I was trying to get. The Liam Smith fight, before he fought John Thompson, that was another option, but that didn't go through. I think there was a story about me moving up to 160 and that wasn't true. So just a lot of bullshyt that went on out there that's not true and someone had to take the blame for it, so of course that had to be me. We're just happy to get back in the ring and let them know why I'm the best 154-pounder out there. Why these other guys at 154, so called the best, haven't made an offer or stepped to me and make the fight happen just like they do with everybody else. Like [Erislandy] Lara goes on to go fight Delvin Rodriguez, but he can't fight Demetrius Andrade when I called him out.



DEMETRIUS ANDRADE OPENS UP ON RING RETURN, ROC NATION LAWSUIT, AND MORE: "A SETBAK IS ANOTHER DOOR OPENING" || FIGHTHYPE.COM




Just a lot of bad luck for him outside the ring. He just needs to sign to either GBP, TR, PBC, or About Billions and call it a day imo. At least he will get more fight opportunities and bigger money:manny:
Yeah its past time for dude to sign with either Oscar or Allah because his career is in danger of getting fukked over by his promoters.
 

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His last purse vs Cuadras: Purses: Chocolatito $400k, Cuadras $250k - Boxing News



I cant remember the last time Gonzalez had a card on TV which didn't have GGG attached to it....so I cant really say how much of a ratings draw he is yet:manny:
I was trying to think if HBO ever did a broadcast with Roman as the main event and I can't recall.
I am all for boxers getting as much money as possible but a lot of these guys are going to have to realize that they have a ceiling on just how much they can realistically get.
With his lack of name recognition with the random fan and his fighting in the weight class he fights in, Roman is never going to be in line for major money. Its fukked up but it is also reality.
 

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His last purse vs Cuadras: Purses: Chocolatito $400k, Cuadras $250k - Boxing News



I cant remember the last time Gonzalez had a card on TV which didn't have GGG attached to it....so I cant really say how much of a ratings draw he is yet:manny:
He should try and get some of that home TV money.

@SuikodenII was right as soon as he got crowned p4p #1 it was a wrap. Man they pay GGG whatever and have Gonzalez go up in weight and fight the title holder there :heh: for $400k?!
 

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I was trying to think if HBO ever did a broadcast with Roman as the main event and I can't recall.
I am all for boxers getting as much money as possible but a lot of these guys are going to have to realize that they have a ceiling on just how much they can realistically get.
With his lack of name recognition with the random fan and his fighting in the weight class he fights in, Roman is never going to be in line for major money. Its fukked up but it is also reality.

Yep.


Unless he develops himself into a revered athlete, the good guy, or go fully heel and turn into the villain....he's gonna keep getting paid what he is, because he's still rather unknown:manny:
 

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Garcia vs Thurman is gonna look like Garcia vs Khan....except for 12 full rounds.

Thurman doesn't possess a Khan chin and is a much better Boxer on the move than Khan is....Swift is gonna be swinging at air trying to stalk Thurman, because that's not his game (come forward).
 
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