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Trinidad, De La Hoya Fight Over Rematch
Round two of negotiations for Felix Trinidad-Oscar De La Hoya II has ended as did the first round.
With no decision.
One of the old stumbling blocks is gone, but there are new ones.
Bob Arum, De La Hoya's promoter, doesn't blame his old nemesis, Don King, Trinidad's promoter, for the stalemate. He blames Trinidad's father, Felix Sr.
"One thing about Don King, he's a scumbag, but he's a professional," Arum said.
Arum has obviously let the holiday spirit get to him.
After Trinidad beat De La Hoya in September on a decision, adding the World Boxing Council welterweight title to his own International Boxing Federation championship, the negotiations for a rematch bogged down over two issues--money and weight.
Trinidad said that, as the winner and titleholder, he should get more money than De La Hoya. In the first fight, De La Hoya made about $23 million to Trinidad's $10.5 million. Trinidad also wanted the rematch in the super-welterweight class, the fighters going from 147 pounds to 154.
King, however, didn't even let the De La Hoya camp mull over the demands. A meeting between De La Hoya and Trinidad people was held on a Saturday morning in Las Vegas. By that evening, King had already stunned the boxing community by signing Trinidad to a fight against David Reid, the World Boxing Assn. 154-pound champion, who is promoted by Dan Goossen.
"One thing I've learned in this business is that you don't let Don King feel threatened," said Jay Larkin, head of the Showtime cable network. "He felt threatened in that meeting with Arum and HBO, so he made the Reid deal just to show that he was not in a corner. If you try to back King up, he can be a dangerous adversary."
Among those surprised was Larkin, since Showtime was being announced as the pay-per-view distributor.
Also caught unaware were Time Warner/HBO officials, who say they have an option on Reid's next two fights.
Not to mention Derrell Coley, the World Boxing Council's No. 1 welterweight contender, who had been in line to fight Trinidad. The Coley situation was especially sticky because his promoter is . . . Goossen.
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Since then, De La Hoya has said he would take less money to fight Trinidad, and King has postponed the Reid fight and backed down on the weight jump.
Prospects for the rematch, the most compelling fight in boxing right now, looked promising. So the sides met again in New York last week.
And now, there are three stumbling blocks:
* Money. De La Hoya has said he would be willing to take 48% of a proposed $30-million pot for the rematch. But Trinidad's handlers aren't satisfied with 52%.
* Power. In the first fight, Arum called the shots. King understandably wants to do that in the rematch. Arum's side is holding out for a contract that calls for a co-promotion.
* Another fight. When King abandoned the initial negotiations, De La Hoya signed to fight Coley on Feb. 26 in New York's Madison Square Garden.
The Trinidad side is demanding that De La Hoya back out of that fight, claiming they don't want the risk of a De La Hoya loss ruining the rematch. Arum is holding firm, saying a deal is a deal.
So, still no rematch.
The logical move now would be for Trinidad to go ahead with the Reid fight in early spring, either on Showtime, or HBO if it matches Showtime's deal, thus staying on the same schedule as De La Hoya. If both fighters are victorious, the rematch could be held June 17.
But Goossen, who was so proud of pulling off the Trinidad-Reid bout, now stands in the way. He has gone to federal court to ask a judge to declare that HBO has no claim to the match.
"It doesn't apply in this case," said Jethroe Eisenstein, Goossen's attorney. "Their contract only applies when David Reid fights for America Presents. This fight would be a Don King production."
Goossen went even further:
"The people at Time Warner think of themselves as an 800-pound gorilla, stomping out a fighter or a company if they don't fall into line. They know a victory [over Trinidad] would make David Reid a star. Their goal is strictly Oscar De La Hoya-Felix Trinidad."
Responded HBO Vice President Lou DiBella: "We paid the kid [Reid] multiples of his value when he was coming up, so what's the problem now? It's not like I [HBO] am a poor guy. I've got the most money [in the television fight business], so what's the problem going to the richest guy to see if he will match an offer?
"Dan Goossen claims all this has to do with boxing reform. The only thing that is going to be reformed by Dan Goossen is [America Presents financial backer] Bill Daniels' net worth."
For now, Trinidad sits on the sideline and so does Reid, Goossen's star attraction.
One of Goossen's other fighters, Coley, whose biggest previous purse had been $25,000, will make $1 million to fight De La Hoya in a match Goossen claimed was negotiated without his consent.
And Trinidad-De La Hoya II is no closer to reality.
"I have never been so baffled in my whole life," Arum said, "as I am by what's going on."
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“We were pretty much there in terms of the deal to fight Broner but because of issues out of the ring we all decided to fight Relikh and try and clear the mandatory before securing the fight against Broner in December,” said Matchroom boss Eddie Hearn.
“Adrien contacted me this week and said he is coming to Glasgow on October 7 to watch the fight and if Ricky defeats Relikh I expect that fight to get made without any problems.”
Broner next for Burns if Scotsman defeats Relikh - The Ring
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“Adrien contacted me this week and said he is coming to Glasgow on October 7 to watch the fight and if Ricky defeats Relikh I expect that fight to get made without any problems.”
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that briggs-green fight will never not be sad...briggs was fukked after those 2 wars with adamek and prolly needed money..had to go through with it
Now that Im all the way up....let's finish where we left off
Again, you know me breh...I don't disrespect in that fashion. I'll call all types of names, but never racial
I couldn't believe Felix "Tito" Trinidad's gov't name was really Juan Garcia
It was like finding out Floyd Mayweather name was really Rashawn Jones or something
Tripped me out
But nah, never no disrespect to my PR brehs
I know we good now, but just wanted to reiterate before I went in further (n/h)
My bad if I offended you though breh
DLH didn't start running until the 10th round breh...he ran the 10th, 11th, and 12th rounds. He lost all 3 of em.
What Im saying is that, after 9 rounds, anyone that says Trinidad was winning would've had to it scored at worst 5 rounds to DLH and 4 rounds to Trinidad....and I would like to know what 4 rounds within the 1st 9 did are yall saying Trinidad won?
I don't see 4 rounds to give him
He won 6 of the first 9 rounds on their cards....and was up 6-3, giving a clinic, before he gave away the fight in the last 3 rounds. That's how you give Boxing lessons and end the fight with only 6 rounds.
I didn't say that DLH won 9 rounds, I said he won. I went back and watched the fight last night, didn't score rounds, but came away with the exact same perception....ODLH was giving out that work overall the first 9 rounds, and then started running for no reason.
The footage of the fight, the compubox numbers, HBO cards don't lie....all of them show that DLH was doing great until he decided to coast to victory starting in the 10th round.
What 4 rounds within the first 9 did you or any other Trinidad fan have him winning? I'll rescore the fight when I get off at 3:30pm and post my round by round card if need be, going up until the beginning of the 10th.
That Juan shyt is corny breh...that be like yoyo stay referring to a black fighter as Tyrone...NSB type humor at its worst
Call him a tropical messican... a porkchop...Toto...we better then Juan
Again, you know me breh...I don't disrespect in that fashion. I'll call all types of names, but never racial
I couldn't believe Felix "Tito" Trinidad's gov't name was really Juan Garcia
It was like finding out Floyd Mayweather name was really Rashawn Jones or something
Tripped me out
But nah, never no disrespect to my PR brehs I know we good now, but just wanted to reiterate before I went in further (n/h)My bad if I offended you though breh
DLH lost the last 4 RDS ...he wasnt doing anything Cuz he was exhausted N Tito kept coming for that ass...please don't tell me you believe that struggle excuse "my team told me I won its ok to give up 4 RDS"
DLH said it himself (when GBP was running Showtime)...talking bout himself gassing N him telling Canelo how to better his stamina
Oscar slowed down started getting touched...his team in between RDS told him yo you can't take more punches like that... Oscar ran for his life the rest of the fight
Like I said... You wanna say DLH won ok cool...Boxing lessons don't end with the "teacher" gassing N literally running for his life for 4 rds
DLH didn't start running until the 10th round breh...he ran the 10th, 11th, and 12th rounds. He lost all 3 of em.
What Im saying is that, after 9 rounds, anyone that says Trinidad was winning would've had to it scored at worst 5 rounds to DLH and 4 rounds to Trinidad....and I would like to know what 4 rounds within the 1st 9 did are yall saying Trinidad won?
I don't see 4 rounds to give him
Boxing lessons don't end with The HBO darling getting only 6 RDS by Team HBO
He won 6 of the first 9 rounds on their cards....and was up 6-3, giving a clinic, before he gave away the fight in the last 3 rounds. That's how you give Boxing lessons and end the fight with only 6 rounds.
Theres a reason DLH was
I didn't say that DLH won 9 rounds, I said he won. I went back and watched the fight last night, didn't score rounds, but came away with the exact same perception....ODLH was giving out that work overall the first 9 rounds, and then started running for no reason.
The footage of the fight, the compubox numbers, HBO cards don't lie....all of them show that DLH was doing great until he decided to coast to victory starting in the 10th round.
What 4 rounds within the first 9 did you or any other Trinidad fan have him winning? I'll rescore the fight when I get off at 3:30pm and post my round by round card if need be, going up until the beginning of the 10th.
If this is at Carson I have to heavily heavily think about going out there
Knicksman20
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Easter takes his belt and becomes a 2x Champion within the same year
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I think Easter has some unfinished business with Commey though fam
Nah, it's not unfinished imo...he won and it wasn't a controversial decision either. The non-KD had the cards closer than they would've been without giving Commey a 10-8 round he didn't deserve. He can give him a rematch, bc it was a good action affair, but it's not like it's being demanded or anything by the public either right now
Easter Jr vs Pedraza is also a good fight, another good name for Easter to have on his resume, more $$$ than facing Commey immediately, and would be a nice fight to add to the end of the year with imo
If Team Commey want to run it back, he can have his people contact :aboutbillions: and make it happen again
.......but they gonna have to have the money right this time, bc E-Bunny done fighting for pennies against top comp#TheBunnyTeam
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Easter should run that back, giving him a clear win over Commey.
Then fukk Pedraza, I wanna see Easter/Mikey especially bc it looks like Zlatican ain't gonna happen
AB aint gonna let Easter just run into an L like that without $$$ on the table breh. AB wont even face Pacquiao for 4 mill...I doubt he has E Bunny face Mikey Garcia, without it being a mando, for less than $1.25 mill. That's a TOUGH fight for a guy who still has less than 20 career fights
They can build up to a fight like that, but Mikey Garcia will be too much for Easter right now for a voluntary defense imo.