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krackdagawd said:
Where should Andre be at this point in his career? :francis: a ppv star? with his style? :francis: how many ppvs was Bhop having before Tito :francis: How many ppv appearances did Sweet Pea have before Oscar? :francis:

nikka cleaned out one of the hottest weight classes(at the time) and tossed p4p fighters to the bushes before he even turned 30. He is entering the 2nd phase of a very successful career. Could he make better decisions at times? Maybe but look where he has gotten with his "bad business" decisions. If my gut got me to this point I'd be listening to it at well.

He is arguably the #1 p4p fighter at best and #2 at worst and has been at #2 for how long? How much money as he made at this point Pat? Where should he be at at this point Pat? I need answers.



Your boy - - - didn't make his first million till this year or pop up on ANY p4p list and is having his first big fight and payday at 32 where are your posts about his struggle business acumen? :dame: why we don't go into chatty patty mode about his pockets :dame:
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so what you're telling me krack is andre ward for his accomplishments so far that you think he's right where he needs to be right now...i don't know about you but i didnt envision his career going the way it did after super 6 which was like 3 1/2 years ago..certainly not a 2 year layoff in his prime of his own doing or fighting on a struggle card on BET...if you did well thats on you...you're referencing GGG's career as something as late bloomer...where are these bad business moves breh? he's in the mix with his name attached to 2 of boxing biggest names currently in the biggest fights that can happen in boxing..on top of making moves to clear out his divisions....but you keep mentioning his age or who hes faced for some odd reason as a negative when he's in his prime...so let me play the devil advocate role.

bernard hopkins who you stan...bhop first won the title back in 95...he was 30 by then...it took 13 defenses about 6 years before he went on unification wave and get on a ppv at 36 all in the same year (which is what GGG is doing this year :patrice:)..during that time prolly the best fighter he faced was john david jackson and a faded simon brown..the middleweight division was on a lull in the mid 90s then until tito entered it...kinda similar whats going on with canelo-cotto at 160 that is coming up :patrice:..hmmm interesting comparison...anyways there was no p4p wins (until tito at 36) but a clear loss to p4p rjj..bhop would of course collect them belts from the other champs and fought every significant fight at that division at the time before moving on to solidify a HOF career...and this nikka was with don king in his prime...so i know he wasnt seeing no million dollars anything until prolly tito....yet i think very highly of what he accomplished...yet you constantly harp on GGG who is drawing on an almost near career parallel except hes kept his zero? why because some ppl think he can beat ward and he's not entertaining a fight with him right now
this is what i call irrational breh
 
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Bizier-Lawson headlines Nov. 7’s PBC on NBCSN

Welterweights Kevin Bizier (24-2, 16 KOs) and Fredrick Lawson (24-0, 20 KOs) will meet in a 12-round contest as Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) on NBCSN comes to Miccosukee Resort and Gaming in Miami, Florida on Saturday, November 7 with televised coverage beginning at 9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT.

The telecast opens with an exciting clash as Walter Castillo (26-3, 19 KOs) takes on Keita Obara (15-1, 14 KOs) in a 12-round super lightweight contest.

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I’d like to thank my whole team for this opportunity,” said Lawson. “I would also like to commend Kevin Bizier for having the courage to accept this fight. I know he is a good fighter, but this time he is way out of his league. Come November 7, I will show him why I’m the future of the welterweight division. This is the beginning of another era. Dig your graves friends, General OKUNKA the ‘Baby Face Assassin’ is in town!”

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An accomplished amateur fighting out of Quebec, Canada, Bizier is once again nearing a long-awaited world title opportunity. The 31-year-old has fought exclusively on his home soil and will be making his U.S. debut on November 7. Bizier owns victories over Lanardo Tyner, Carlos Herrera and most recently was triumphant against Fouad El Massoudi in April.

Born in Ghana but fighting out of Chicago, Lawson is unbeaten since turning pro in 2011 and stopped 19 of the first 20 opponents he faced. The 26-year-old racked up 23 wins fighting in Ghana before making his U.S. debut in March 2014. Since arriving in the U.S., Lawson has remained unbeaten with victories over Mohammed Kayongo, Ray Narh and Breidis Prescott.

The 26-year-old Castillo is an exciting brawler who never takes a step back and will look to put on a show for fans in Miami. The Managua, Nicaragua-born knockout artist ended 12 of his first professional 14 victories inside of the distance. Most recently, he stopped Ammeth Diaz in the third round of their July bout.

Since dropping his pro debut, Keita Obara has been on fire, delivering knockouts in 14 of his next 15 fights, all victories. The 28-year-old from Tokyo will be making his U.S. debut on November 7 and is looking for his third knockout victory of 2015.
 
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patscorpio said:
so what you're telling me krack is andre ward for his accomplishments so far that you think he's right where he needs to be right now...i don't know about you but i didnt envision his career going the way it did after super 6 which was like 3 1/2 years ago..certainly not a 2 year layoff in his prime of his own doing or fighting on a struggle card on BET...if you did well thats on you...you're referencing GGG's career as something as late bloomer...where are these bad business moves breh? he's in the mix with his name attached to 2 of boxing biggest names currently in the biggest fights that can happen in boxing..on top of making moves to clear out his divisions....but you keep mentioning his age or who hes faced for some odd reason as a negative when he's in his prime...so let me play the devil advocate role.
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It's funny because him doing almost 500k views on a channel that doesn't show boxing with 2 other cards on that night is struggle yet you will be the first one in here :cape: when this ggg ppv does 100k :dame:

Why come no mention of Lemieux doing 100k that same night though? Some how that wasn't a struggle fight and he is worth spending ppv money on right :dame:



I thought it was about business though. 2 million to fight a jobber on BET seems like good business to me. Or is it only good business when ggg fights Monroe on hbo for half of what Ward made . :dame:


I'm seeing a whole lot of words but I'm still waiting for you to tell me where Ward's career should be at right now. He is either 1 or 2 p4p and is getting paid GREAT money for someone with his style. He has already had a hall of fame career in the first phase of it and he is only 31. What moves should he be making friend break it down for me :dame:

He had promoter issues which many fighters have and it caused a year and a half layoff because Goosen was straight turning down fights. He is signed to Rocnation and is being payed GREAT money due to them establishing themselves in the industry. Cotto is a great businessman for signing with them though :dame:

So as long as ggg is "in the mix" with Cotto/Canelo it's good business even though neither of them will be fighting him any time soon right? Meanwhile Rocnation has already started negotiations with kkkov who many consider to be the best light heavyweight at the moment and a win over him would make him the undeniable best fighter pound for pound and will bring a big payday.

GGG being "in the mix" is seen as a win and good business yet the guy actually making negotations for a fight that could have him as the best fighter at 175 isn't seen as a win. No bias tho :dame:



bernard hopkins who you stan...bhop first won the title back in 95...he was 30 by then...it took 13 defenses about 6 years before he went on unification wave and get on a ppv at 36 all in the same year (which is what GGG is doing this year :patrice:)..during that time prolly the best fighter he faced was john david jackson and a faded simon brown..the middleweight division was on a lull in the mid 90s then until tito entered it...kinda similar whats going on with canelo-cotto at 160 that is coming up :patrice: ..hmmm interesting comparison...anyways there was no p4p wins (until tito at 36) but a clear loss to p4p rjj..bhop would of course collect them belts from the other champs and fought every significant fight at that division at the time before moving on to solidify a HOF career...and this nikka was with don king in his prime...so i know he wasnt seeing no million dollars anything until prolly tito....yet i think very highly of what he accomplished...yet you constantly harp on GGG who is drawing on an almost near career parallel except hes kept his zero? why because some ppl think he can beat ward and he's not entertaining a fight with him right now
this is what i call irrational breh
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Okay let's deflect to BHop since I pretty much shut down you Ward bad businessman argument.

I brought up BHop in regards to style and where should Ward be at due to them having a relative similar style. That style doesn't sell ppv unless there is a big name on the other side and you know this. Bhop fought Mercado JDJ and Rjj before Tito.

Had that been ggg he would have turned down a Roy Jones just like he turned down Ward and Lara so you're point is moot.
 
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krackdagawd said:
It's funny because him doing almost 500k views on a channel that doesn't show boxing with 2 other cards on that night is struggle yet you will be the first one in here :cape: when this ggg ppv does 100k :dame:

Why come no mention of Lemieux doing 100k that same night though? Some how that wasn't a struggle fight and he is worth spending ppv money on right :dame:
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Andre Ward vs. Paul Smith on BET pulled in less than stellar ratings as it netted 323,000 viewers. The reason this is alarming is that a telecast of David Lemieux defeated Hassan N’Dam for IBF middleweight title pulled 163,000 viewers with a 1/3 of the amount of subscribers.
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grasping straws breh:dame:

krackdagawd said:
I thought it was about business though. 2 million to fight a jobber on BET seems like good business to me. Or is it only good business when ggg fights Monroe on hbo for half of what Ward made . :dame:


I'm seeing a whole lot of words but I'm still waiting for you to tell me where Ward's career should be at right now. He is either 1 or 2 p4p and is getting paid GREAT money for someone with his style. He has already had a hall of fame career in the first phase of it and he is only 31. What moves should he be making friend break it down for me :dame:

He had promoter issues which many fighters have and it caused a year and a half layoff because Goosen was straight turning down fights. He is signed to Rocnation and is being payed GREAT money due to them establishing themselves in the industry.
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good business to fight a jobber for 2 million that anyone barely watched is what we aspire fighters to be after clearing out a division. :dame:...im not the ward stan surely you can think of a better scenario of where andre ward should be right now if he wasn't on some lost time shyt. signed to rocnation means what breh? they don't even hold cards but hey someone managed to buy him out so its all good I guess..thats why he's eager to face a cat that's in a division under him but he supposedly he doesn't need him :dame:..no bias though

krackdagawd said:
Okay let's deflect to BHop since I pretty much shut down you Ward bad businessman argument.

I brought up BHop in regards to style and where should Ward be at due to them having a relative similar style. That style doesn't sell ppv unless there is a big name on the other side and you know this. Bhop fought Mercado JDJ and Rjj before Tito.
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1. Mercado wasn't shyt other than someone bhop somehow managed to struggle with
2. You must be confusing the bhop of the last 10 years or so with the 90s who was called "Executioner"..that bhop finished cats off brutally..so that style argument can go :camby:
 
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patscorpio said:
grasping straws breh:dame:



good business to fight a jobber for 2 million that anyone barely watched is what we aspire fighters to be after clearing out a division. :dame:...im not the ward stan surely you can think of a better scenario of where andre ward should be right now if he wasn't on some lost time shyt. signed to rocnation means what breh? they don't even hold cards but hey someone managed to buy him out so its all good I guess..thats why he's eager to face a cat that's in a division under him but he supposedly he doesn't need him :dame:..no bias though



1. Mercado wasn't shyt other than someone bhop somehow managed to struggle with
2. You must be confusing the bhop of the last 10 years or so with the 90s who was called "Executioner"..that bhop finished cats off brutally..so that style argument can go :camby:
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Did Ward not just finish Smith brutally did he not finish Dawson brutally?


All these words n I'm still waiting for you to tell me where Ward should be at right now. :sas1: Them fat Dan soundbite arguments get shut down when you ask for details.

He is on top of p4p list.

Considered the GOAT 168lbs by many.

He already has a hof career.

He is making great money.

Should he act like a heel to double his dollars so you can talk shyt about him like you do Broner n Floyd. :francis:

So again where should he be? You the man w the master plan stop keeping it a secret break it down for me
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