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Lucas Matthysse’s supporters plead for change and another chance


In the wake of
Lucas Matthysse’s devastating loss to Viktor Postol on Oct. 3, members of his entourage, family and former team members have taken to social media and other outlets to vent their frustration at what they perceive as a less-than-ideal training regime for the Argentine slugger.

“I am holding back a few things just so I don’t hurt some people,” said Lucas’ sister Soledad Matthysse, herself a unified WBA/WBC female featherweight titlist, leading the charge in an appearance on local radio show “Cerca del Ring.” “Personally, I saw that my brother’s arms felt heavier, as if he had over-trained. I asked him a few things about his training and perhaps it was his swimming or his weight-lifting work.”

When asked about what exactly went wrong, Soledad quickly pointed at a general lack of direction within the training camp.

“There were no ideas,” said Soledad. “Every fighter has a Plan A but then there’s a Plan B and a Plan C but we didn’t see [those]. Everyone was banking on Lucas landing a couple of big shots and then the fight would be over but that didn’t happen and that’s when the ideas didn’t surface.”

Without pointing fingers or “naming names,” Soledad did underline the general impression whispered among Argentine fans and press alike about the size and scope of Lucas’ training staff, comprised by a large and diverse group of people that includes two trainers (Luis Barrera and former champ Juan Coggi), as well as a physician and a physical trainer.

Soledad simply expressed the concerns about a team in which job descriptions are sketchy at best, which leads to a few areas being left unattended while others are given too much attention and with virtually everyone weighing in on every issue.

“Arano, please, clean up Lucas’ entourage,” pleaded Soledad in one of her few comments directed to a specific member of Team Matthysse, in this case, his manager/promoter Mario Arano. “If Lucas wants to be a champion, he has to think about himself, not about his friendships. If people love him, they will let him go and allow him to continue growing. I have nothing against Arano; we get along very well. But Lucas will have to sit down and fix a few things, make a general ‘housekeeping’ job. I heard that [punching pad expert and former lightweight contender Eduardo] ‘The Surgeon’ Morales is not part of the team anymore. He used to be a big help. I believe Lucas has a lot of people doing nothing around him.”

Morales’ absence was noticeable to Soledad in Lucas’ movement around the ring and in his general mobility, which was critical against Postol.

“Perhaps he needed someone who would push him in his punching pad routine, to force him to move around,” said Soledad. “I never do pad work with someone who’s just standing in front of me. I use people who force me to move my legs and move around the ring.”

Morales himself agreed wholeheartedly.

“They told me they didn’t need me because they had a lot of sparring partners,” said Morales, during an interview with local website Campeones en el Ring. “In the two fights I worked with Lucas [against
Roberto Ortiz and Ruslan Provodnikov], he was fast, accurate and motivated. This time, he didn’t shine, he didn’t work on his sidestepping or his waist movement and he was unable to dodge Postol’s jabs.”

Morales was surprised to learn that his services were not required for this particular fight, in which Postol’s style required the former’s work.

“The key was not to fight head-on but rather to allow [Postol] to box and come in diagonally moving [Lucas’] waist to dodge Postol’s straight hands. That’s what I learned in the Cuban school; that’s how you close in on a guy with long arms,” said Morales, who fought Shane Mosley for the IBF 135-pound title back in 1998 and has been making a name for himself as a trainer ever since.

Morales went further by doubling down on his comments and going against Team Matthysse’s decision to train in Argentina.

“It is good to train in the States because that’s where the big leagues are and there are a lot of sparring partners that are up to Lucas’ level. Lucas needs to train there two months before his fights. I hope [Matthysse’s promoter] Oscar De La Hoya can arrange a rematch against Postol. I believe Lucas deserves it and I believe he [would have] won.”

Soledad joined Morales in his clamor to Golden Boy Promotions’ big boss.

“All I ask is that Oscar will give him another chance and I hope people don’t abandon Lucas like they did after
his fight against Danny Garcia,” said Soledad. “A lot of people left Lucas after that fight and that was very painful. A lot of people don’t know it but Lucas was really feeling down after that fight.”




pathetic :russ::bryan::deadrose::dead:





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speaking of lamont peterson....one fight i need to rewatch again before his fight with diaz on sat is his fight with victor ortiz..that shyt ended in a draw and I can't remember who i thought won that fight :patrice:...im about to revisit like @King P
When I watched it live, I felt Ortiz won.

I might have revisit that fight myself.
 

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hope he donates to them and help my boy lara-savon get over here so can school these simple hws.:wow:


every body wanna say shyt about cubans but them nikkas been raw way back in the day...nothing new.:yeshrug:
Breh it's not like there hasn't been Cuban HWs that have come over....there have been plenty...the problem is whatever country they defect to and get their first piece of that freedom...their rigid discipline unravels
 

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Breh it's not like there hasn't been Cuban HWs that have come over....there have been plenty...the problem is whatever country they defect to and get their first piece of that freedom...their rigid discipline unravels

their have been many great cuban boxers in pros so thats not completely true.

plus i don't know why u think im specifically talking about hws...im just saying their have been cuban boxers that have been great atg/hof level in pros.
 

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Another Gold Medal
you can pretend that you think im talking about money regarding ward if you want to :pachaha:..in doing so you're telling me that andre ward right now is where he should be at this point of his career:martin:...thats what i assume breh

there are 2 cats on here who have broke important news in the ring from their sources and who have gone on record saying that their sources think ward is an idiot in regards to the decisions he makes but thats ok because he made 2 million against paul smith :skip:..big picture

Where should Andre be at this point in his career? :francis: a ppv star? with his style? :francis: how many ppvs was Bhop having before Tito :francis: How many ppv appearances did Sweet Pea have before Oscar? :francis:

nikka cleaned out one of the hottest weight classes(at the time) and tossed p4p fighters to the bushes before he even turned 30. He is entering the 2nd phase of a very successful career. Could he make better decisions at times? Maybe but look where he has gotten with his "bad business" decisions. If my gut got me to this point I'd be listening to it at well.

He is arguably the #1 p4p fighter at best and #2 at worst and has been at #2 for how long? How much money as he made at this point Pat? Where should he be at at this point Pat? I need answers.



Your boy - - - didn't make his first million till this year or pop up on ANY p4p list and is having his first big fight and payday at 32 where are your posts about his struggle business acumen? :dame: why we don't go into chatty patty mode about his pockets :dame:





This post is :banderas:

All I had in my mind in one post breh :wow:


nikkas forget Floyd is the exception not the rule Ward is having a great career. :beli:

I bet if Ward made that heel turn to double his dollars nikkas would be in here saying the same shyt they say about Floyd and AB, there is no winning with boxing media/fans.:martin:
 

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@patscorpio Just finished watching the fight again. Here's how I scored it

Round 1: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 2: 10-9 Peterson
Round 3: 10-7 Ortiz
Round 4: 10-9 Peterson
Round 5: 10-9 Peterson
Round 6: 10-9 Peterson
Round 7: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 8: 10-9 Peterson
Round 9: 10-9 Peterson
Round 10: 10-9 Ortiz

Result: 94-94 Draw

Ended up with the same decision :manny:
 

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Solomon-Serrano looking to steal the show

Undefeated contender Brad “King” Solomon (25-0, 9 KOs) of Layfayette, LA and Philadelphia’s Raymond “Tito” Serrano (21-2, 9 KOs) will step into the spotlight when they open Friday’s “MetroPC Friday Night Knockout on truTV” live telecast from Brooklyn’s Aviator Sports and Events Center beginning at 10:00 p.m. ET/PT.

Brad “King” Solomon: “I got in trouble when I was 17 and was sentenced to eight years in prison. But the DA said if I went in and got my GED and showed I was doing the right things he would reduce my sentence. So I joined the prison boxing team and began to fight. Some of the fights were against Lifers — who were never getting out of prison and who were the toughest fighters of all. They had nothing to lose. I was able to beat them.

“It was my mother who went to the D.A. to tell him I was doing good and was turning my life around. He came to see me and I was eventually let out of prison. I fought as an amateur and got a big win over future world champions Demetrius Andrade, Jessie Vargas and Danny Garcia. I’ve been waiting for a big network fight and now we have it on truTV. I know the importance of it. It will take me only a round or two to figure out Ray Serrano. I will box him, counter, mix it up, show my skills. This win will get me closer to what I really want – a fight on HBO”

Ray “Tito” Serrano: “I’m a Philly fighter and a lot of Philly fighters have been on hard times, been in the ghetto, have no money. So when you walk into a Philly Gym you can find a hard fight real quick. My parents are from Puerto Rico. So when I fight I bring excitement, fans waving Puerto flags and me throwing hard punches.

“I knew who Brad Solomon was but not sure who he is now. Who has he really beaten? I’m trained by Buddy McGirt. Once Solomon feels my power on Friday night he’s going to change up his game plan real quick. I am smart in the ring with a good jab and with great punching power. It’s going to be ‘Tito Time’ on Friday night on truTV.”

* * *

The Solomon vs. Serrano 10-round welterweight rumble is the co-main event to the NABO light heavyweight championship fight between the Pride of Long Beach, New York, “Irish” Seanie Monaghan, risking his undefeated record and Top-Five world rating, and Chicago knockout artist Donovan “Da Bomb” George. The live boxing series is presented by truTV and Top Rank®, and produced in association with HBO Sports®.

The official weigh-in — which is open to the public — will take place on Thursday at 3:00 P.M. at the Park Sports Bar & Grill (20 West Park Ave., Long Beach, NY 11561).

Promoted by Top Rank, remaining tickets to the Monaghan vs. George light heavy heavyweight championship event, priced at $100 and $50, may be purchased by calling (201) 864-9566.



 

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@patscorpio Just finished watching the fight again. Here's how I scored it

Round 1: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 2: 10-9 Peterson
Round 3: 10-7 Ortiz
Round 4: 10-9 Peterson
Round 5: 10-9 Peterson
Round 6: 10-9 Peterson
Round 7: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 8: 10-9 Peterson
Round 9: 10-9 Peterson
Round 10: 10-9 Ortiz

Result: 94-94 Draw

Ended up with the same decision :manny:


^^^This is exactly why I wish they went by who won more rounds, rather than by points.


It's crazy that punches landed don't matter, "because the Boxer could've landed a ton of punches all in 1 round", but yet both Ortiz' KDs he got on Peterson was in 1 round....and it allowed the fight to be a draw:francis:


On your card, and on 2 of the judge's cards, Peterson would've won 6 rounds to 4:wow:
 
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