King P
Legends Never Die
Fans. I doubt media really thinks that, I haven't even seen any of them entertain that fight anyways
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krackdagawd
Inspire.
yeah ward gets paid alot. way more than ggg.
but anyways i dont know why nikkas think ggg has a shot.....i guess nikkas love a punchers chance.
i wanna see ward vs thadon/kkk wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more, if we betting on a punchers chance.
Its funny because dudes complain about pbc guys getting paid too much yet complain when a fighter makes what they perceive to be a bad business decision.
high reward low risk is a great business move but all of a sudden they are no longer accountants and become fans of boxing again when it's a pbc guy or Ward. Is it ochie wally or one mic
Getting 2 mill to fight Smith is more than any pbc dude has got this year but Ward is the bad businessman.
Maybe he'd be smarter if he wasted 10 years of his prime fighting milkmen and have his first "big fight" at 33
I've been straight
at the so called boxing media/fans the last few years and their treatment of :wlad::sog: this year has been disgusting.
you can pretend that you think im talking about money regarding ward if you want toif only Ward made his first million in his mid 30s like the great businessman in team Pat
Meanwhile #SOGGang getting two mill for jobbers but let the coli tell it
..in doing so you're telling me that andre ward right now is where he should be at this point of his career
...thats what i assume brehthere are 2 cats on here who have broke important news in the ring from their sources and who have gone on record saying that their sources think ward is an idiot in regards to the decisions he makes but thats ok because he made 2 million against paul smith
..big picture
Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
Its funny because dudes complain about pbc guys getting paid too much yet complain when a fighter makes what they perceive to be a bad business decision.
Is it ochie wally or one mic
Getting 2 mill to fight Smith is more than any pbc dude has got this year but Ward is the bad businessman.
Maybe he'd be smarter if he wasted 10 years of his prime fighting milkmen and have his first "big fight" at 33
I've been straight
This post is
LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
Its funny because dudes complain about pbc guys getting paid too much yet complain when a fighter makes what they perceive to be a bad business decision.
Is it ochie wally or one mic
Getting 2 mill to fight Smith is more than any pbc dude has got this year but Ward is the bad businessman.
Maybe he'd be smarter if he wasted 10 years of his prime fighting milkmen and have his first "big fight" at 33
I've been straight
All I had in my mind in one post breh
Team Gonzalez Explain Why Beterbiev Bout Was Rejected
Posted by: Elisinio Castillo on 10/13/2015 .
By Elisinio Castillo
Artur Beterbiev (9-0, 9KOs) thought he had a set opponent when an IBF eliminator was offered to Cuban contender Yuniesky González (16-1, 12 KO), who is coming off a very close decision loss to former champion Jean Pascal. It was unexpected when Gonzalez's team passed on the fight.
Beterbiev returns to the ring on November 28th in Quebec as part of a Showtime televised tripleheader. After Gonzalez turned down the fight, the next fighter up was Karo Murat, but couldn't get ready in time and then EBU champion Igor Mikhalkin (17-1) received the call and so far he's accepted.
Gonzalez's manager says they were unhappy with the money and because of that they walked away from the fight.
He feels Gonzalez is now a bigger name from the boxer who stepped in the ring with Pascal and deserves more money.
"A lot of people believe that we did the wrong thing in not accepting the proposal of Beterbiev and his team," said Michael Luzbet, one of the managers of Gonzalez, to George Ebro. "But in the boxing business things have to make financial sense and in this situation is wasn't the case."
"Yuniesky is not that unknown boxer who climbed into the ring against Pascal. We have already fought on HBO and the fan base is different from what it was before. We are now in control of the situation. We cannot be treated with such disdain from the point of view of the numbers."
There is now talk of Gonzalez returning on a card on December 12 and Luzbet says an important announcement is coming.
Team Gonzalez Explain Why Beterbiev Bout Was Rejected
@hyperman25 can we confirm that duck now breh?
Beterbeast has the Light Heavyweight contenders running scared
Posted by: Elisinio Castillo on 10/13/2015 .
By Elisinio Castillo
Artur Beterbiev (9-0, 9KOs) thought he had a set opponent when an IBF eliminator was offered to Cuban contender Yuniesky González (16-1, 12 KO), who is coming off a very close decision loss to former champion Jean Pascal. It was unexpected when Gonzalez's team passed on the fight.
Beterbiev returns to the ring on November 28th in Quebec as part of a Showtime televised tripleheader. After Gonzalez turned down the fight, the next fighter up was Karo Murat, but couldn't get ready in time and then EBU champion Igor Mikhalkin (17-1) received the call and so far he's accepted.
Gonzalez's manager says they were unhappy with the money and because of that they walked away from the fight.
He feels Gonzalez is now a bigger name from the boxer who stepped in the ring with Pascal and deserves more money.
"A lot of people believe that we did the wrong thing in not accepting the proposal of Beterbiev and his team," said Michael Luzbet, one of the managers of Gonzalez, to George Ebro. "But in the boxing business things have to make financial sense and in this situation is wasn't the case."
"Yuniesky is not that unknown boxer who climbed into the ring against Pascal. We have already fought on HBO and the fan base is different from what it was before. We are now in control of the situation. We cannot be treated with such disdain from the point of view of the numbers."
There is now talk of Gonzalez returning on a card on December 12 and Luzbet says an important announcement is coming.
Team Gonzalez Explain Why Beterbiev Bout Was Rejected
@hyperman25 can we confirm that duck now breh?
Beterbeast has the Light Heavyweight contenders running scared
Arum: Amir Khan Talks Too Much, Who's Stalling Who?
Posted by: Edward Chaykovsky on 10/14/2015 .
By Edward Chaykovsky
Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum was very surprised to read the published comments from British star Amir Khan (31-3, 19KOs), who claimed Manny Pacquiao was stalling to sign a contract for a showdown in the first quarter of 2016.
A few days ago, Khan said the Pacquiao fight was 75% likely to happen. But on Tuesday he was irritated, telling The National that Pacquiao and his team were now dragging their feet to sign a contract.
In the interview, Khan said he was walking away from the negotiation. He was clear in looking to avoid a repeat performance of his past mistakes, where he placed his career on hold for a potential fight with Floyd Mayweather that never materialized.
Khan told the paper: "I'm really disappointed in Manny and his team. They aren't playing ball. All that was left to do is to sign the contract. But they are stalling. I have pulled out of the negotiations. I am no longer fighting Manny Pacquiao."
"They know I am a tricky fight for him and they know I will beat him. Or else, why pull out of a fight when there is a lot of money on the table? I don't really know if Mayweather is fighting Pacquiao again. It is a possible reason for him to stall on signing the contract, but I don't really know."
Arum denies any stalling on his end of the negotiations. The veteran promoter is not exactly sure what Khan is talking about, because Arum says there is no contact for anyone to sign.
“Nobody can figure out why [Khan] is saying that. I’ve spoken to his attorney, Robert Davis, and we’re going back and forth on the numbers,” Arum said to the Los Angeles Times. “The kid [Khan] talks too much. It’s probably why he lost the Mayweather fight. If there’s no contract to sign, who’s stalling who?”
Arum: Amir Khan Talks Too Much, Who's Stalling Who?
"The kid talks too much. It's probably why he lost the Mayweather fight."
Posted by: Edward Chaykovsky on 10/14/2015 .
By Edward Chaykovsky
Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum was very surprised to read the published comments from British star Amir Khan (31-3, 19KOs), who claimed Manny Pacquiao was stalling to sign a contract for a showdown in the first quarter of 2016.
A few days ago, Khan said the Pacquiao fight was 75% likely to happen. But on Tuesday he was irritated, telling The National that Pacquiao and his team were now dragging their feet to sign a contract.
In the interview, Khan said he was walking away from the negotiation. He was clear in looking to avoid a repeat performance of his past mistakes, where he placed his career on hold for a potential fight with Floyd Mayweather that never materialized.
Khan told the paper: "I'm really disappointed in Manny and his team. They aren't playing ball. All that was left to do is to sign the contract. But they are stalling. I have pulled out of the negotiations. I am no longer fighting Manny Pacquiao."
"They know I am a tricky fight for him and they know I will beat him. Or else, why pull out of a fight when there is a lot of money on the table? I don't really know if Mayweather is fighting Pacquiao again. It is a possible reason for him to stall on signing the contract, but I don't really know."
Arum denies any stalling on his end of the negotiations. The veteran promoter is not exactly sure what Khan is talking about, because Arum says there is no contact for anyone to sign.
“Nobody can figure out why [Khan] is saying that. I’ve spoken to his attorney, Robert Davis, and we’re going back and forth on the numbers,” Arum said to the Los Angeles Times. “The kid [Khan] talks too much. It’s probably why he lost the Mayweather fight. If there’s no contract to sign, who’s stalling who?”
Arum: Amir Khan Talks Too Much, Who's Stalling Who?
"The kid talks too much. It's probably why he lost the Mayweather fight."
[VIDEO] JOHN MOLINA COMMENTS ON LUCAS MATTHYSSE KO LOSS TO VIKTOR POSTOL: "WHEN YOU QUIT, YOU QUIT" || FIGHTHYPE.COM
Lucas NoMastthysse vs John Roidlina Jr 2 coming soon?
Lucas NoMastthysse vs John Roidlina Jr 2 coming soon?
Good fight
There is no #1 contender, Jermell is #2, Trout is #3, and #4 is Soro. I know Jermell is never going to fight Jermall, so by Trout and Soro fighting, it will make a new #1 contender (since it's currently vacant)
Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
Team Gonzalez Explain Why Beterbiev Bout Was Rejected
Posted by: Elisinio Castillo on 10/13/2015 .
By Elisinio Castillo
Artur Beterbiev (9-0, 9KOs) thought he had a set opponent when an IBF eliminator was offered to Cuban contender Yuniesky González (16-1, 12 KO), who is coming off a very close decision loss to former champion Jean Pascal. It was unexpected when Gonzalez's team passed on the fight.
Beterbiev returns to the ring on November 28th in Quebec as part of a Showtime televised tripleheader. After Gonzalez turned down the fight, the next fighter up was Karo Murat, but couldn't get ready in time and then EBU champion Igor Mikhalkin (17-1) received the call and so far he's accepted.
Gonzalez's manager says they were unhappy with the money and because of that they walked away from the fight.
He feels Gonzalez is now a bigger name from the boxer who stepped in the ring with Pascal and deserves more money.
"A lot of people believe that we did the wrong thing in not accepting the proposal of Beterbiev and his team," said Michael Luzbet, one of the managers of Gonzalez, to George Ebro. "But in the boxing business things have to make financial sense and in this situation is wasn't the case."
"Yuniesky is not that unknown boxer who climbed into the ring against Pascal. We have already fought on HBO and the fan base is different from what it was before. We are now in control of the situation. We cannot be treated with such disdain from the point of view of the numbers."
There is now talk of Gonzalez returning on a card on December 12 and Luzbet says an important announcement is coming.
Team Gonzalez Explain Why Beterbiev Bout Was Rejected
@hyperman25 can we confirm that duck now breh?
Beterbeast has the Light Heavyweight contenders running scared
the fukk are they talking about ? no one knows this fresh of the banana boat ex hitman lookin as cuban as ninja.
would have been a dope fight too, they could have at least used pascal rematch or ward fight as a passable reason.
another tr/gbp/duva lhw fighter duckng pbc lhw fighers
Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
Good fight
There is no #1 contender, Jermell is #2, Trout is #3, and #4 is Soro. I know Jermell is never going to fight Jermall, so by Trout and Soro fighting, it will make a new #1 contender (since it's currently vacant)
soro ranked as a mw....hes jrmw now?
Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
Lucas Matthysse’s supporters plead for change and another chance
In the wake of Lucas Matthysse’s devastating loss to Viktor Postol on Oct. 3, members of his entourage, family and former team members have taken to social media and other outlets to vent their frustration at what they perceive as a less-than-ideal training regime for the Argentine slugger.
“I am holding back a few things just so I don’t hurt some people,” said Lucas’ sister Soledad Matthysse, herself a unified WBA/WBC female featherweight titlist, leading the charge in an appearance on local radio show “Cerca del Ring.” “Personally, I saw that my brother’s arms felt heavier, as if he had over-trained. I asked him a few things about his training and perhaps it was his swimming or his weight-lifting work.”
When asked about what exactly went wrong, Soledad quickly pointed at a general lack of direction within the training camp.
“There were no ideas,” said Soledad. “Every fighter has a Plan A but then there’s a Plan B and a Plan C but we didn’t see [those]. Everyone was banking on Lucas landing a couple of big shots and then the fight would be over but that didn’t happen and that’s when the ideas didn’t surface.”
Without pointing fingers or “naming names,” Soledad did underline the general impression whispered among Argentine fans and press alike about the size and scope of Lucas’ training staff, comprised by a large and diverse group of people that includes two trainers (Luis Barrera and former champ Juan Coggi), as well as a physician and a physical trainer.
Soledad simply expressed the concerns about a team in which job descriptions are sketchy at best, which leads to a few areas being left unattended while others are given too much attention and with virtually everyone weighing in on every issue.
“Arano, please, clean up Lucas’ entourage,” pleaded Soledad in one of her few comments directed to a specific member of Team Matthysse, in this case, his manager/promoter Mario Arano. “If Lucas wants to be a champion, he has to think about himself, not about his friendships. If people love him, they will let him go and allow him to continue growing. I have nothing against Arano; we get along very well. But Lucas will have to sit down and fix a few things, make a general ‘housekeeping’ job. I heard that [punching pad expert and former lightweight contender Eduardo] ‘The Surgeon’ Morales is not part of the team anymore. He used to be a big help. I believe Lucas has a lot of people doing nothing around him.”
Morales’ absence was noticeable to Soledad in Lucas’ movement around the ring and in his general mobility, which was critical against Postol.
“Perhaps he needed someone who would push him in his punching pad routine, to force him to move around,” said Soledad. “I never do pad work with someone who’s just standing in front of me. I use people who force me to move my legs and move around the ring.”
Morales himself agreed wholeheartedly.
“They told me they didn’t need me because they had a lot of sparring partners,” said Morales, during an interview with local website Campeones en el Ring. “In the two fights I worked with Lucas [against Roberto Ortiz and Ruslan Provodnikov], he was fast, accurate and motivated. This time, he didn’t shine, he didn’t work on his sidestepping or his waist movement and he was unable to dodge Postol’s jabs.”
Morales was surprised to learn that his services were not required for this particular fight, in which Postol’s style required the former’s work.
“The key was not to fight head-on but rather to allow [Postol] to box and come in diagonally moving [Lucas’] waist to dodge Postol’s straight hands. That’s what I learned in the Cuban school; that’s how you close in on a guy with long arms,” said Morales, who fought Shane Mosley for the IBF 135-pound title back in 1998 and has been making a name for himself as a trainer ever since.
Morales went further by doubling down on his comments and going against Team Matthysse’s decision to train in Argentina.
“It is good to train in the States because that’s where the big leagues are and there are a lot of sparring partners that are up to Lucas’ level. Lucas needs to train there two months before his fights. I hope [Matthysse’s promoter] Oscar De La Hoya can arrange a rematch against Postol. I believe Lucas deserves it and I believe he [would have] won.”
Soledad joined Morales in his clamor to Golden Boy Promotions’ big boss.
“All I ask is that Oscar will give him another chance and I hope people don’t abandon Lucas like they did after his fight against Danny Garcia,” said Soledad. “A lot of people left Lucas after that fight and that was very painful. A lot of people don’t know it but Lucas was really feeling down after that fight.”
pathetic
In the wake of Lucas Matthysse’s devastating loss to Viktor Postol on Oct. 3, members of his entourage, family and former team members have taken to social media and other outlets to vent their frustration at what they perceive as a less-than-ideal training regime for the Argentine slugger.
“I am holding back a few things just so I don’t hurt some people,” said Lucas’ sister Soledad Matthysse, herself a unified WBA/WBC female featherweight titlist, leading the charge in an appearance on local radio show “Cerca del Ring.” “Personally, I saw that my brother’s arms felt heavier, as if he had over-trained. I asked him a few things about his training and perhaps it was his swimming or his weight-lifting work.”
When asked about what exactly went wrong, Soledad quickly pointed at a general lack of direction within the training camp.
“There were no ideas,” said Soledad. “Every fighter has a Plan A but then there’s a Plan B and a Plan C but we didn’t see [those]. Everyone was banking on Lucas landing a couple of big shots and then the fight would be over but that didn’t happen and that’s when the ideas didn’t surface.”
Without pointing fingers or “naming names,” Soledad did underline the general impression whispered among Argentine fans and press alike about the size and scope of Lucas’ training staff, comprised by a large and diverse group of people that includes two trainers (Luis Barrera and former champ Juan Coggi), as well as a physician and a physical trainer.
Soledad simply expressed the concerns about a team in which job descriptions are sketchy at best, which leads to a few areas being left unattended while others are given too much attention and with virtually everyone weighing in on every issue.
“Arano, please, clean up Lucas’ entourage,” pleaded Soledad in one of her few comments directed to a specific member of Team Matthysse, in this case, his manager/promoter Mario Arano. “If Lucas wants to be a champion, he has to think about himself, not about his friendships. If people love him, they will let him go and allow him to continue growing. I have nothing against Arano; we get along very well. But Lucas will have to sit down and fix a few things, make a general ‘housekeeping’ job. I heard that [punching pad expert and former lightweight contender Eduardo] ‘The Surgeon’ Morales is not part of the team anymore. He used to be a big help. I believe Lucas has a lot of people doing nothing around him.”
Morales’ absence was noticeable to Soledad in Lucas’ movement around the ring and in his general mobility, which was critical against Postol.
“Perhaps he needed someone who would push him in his punching pad routine, to force him to move around,” said Soledad. “I never do pad work with someone who’s just standing in front of me. I use people who force me to move my legs and move around the ring.”
Morales himself agreed wholeheartedly.
“They told me they didn’t need me because they had a lot of sparring partners,” said Morales, during an interview with local website Campeones en el Ring. “In the two fights I worked with Lucas [against Roberto Ortiz and Ruslan Provodnikov], he was fast, accurate and motivated. This time, he didn’t shine, he didn’t work on his sidestepping or his waist movement and he was unable to dodge Postol’s jabs.”
Morales was surprised to learn that his services were not required for this particular fight, in which Postol’s style required the former’s work.
“The key was not to fight head-on but rather to allow [Postol] to box and come in diagonally moving [Lucas’] waist to dodge Postol’s straight hands. That’s what I learned in the Cuban school; that’s how you close in on a guy with long arms,” said Morales, who fought Shane Mosley for the IBF 135-pound title back in 1998 and has been making a name for himself as a trainer ever since.
Morales went further by doubling down on his comments and going against Team Matthysse’s decision to train in Argentina.
“It is good to train in the States because that’s where the big leagues are and there are a lot of sparring partners that are up to Lucas’ level. Lucas needs to train there two months before his fights. I hope [Matthysse’s promoter] Oscar De La Hoya can arrange a rematch against Postol. I believe Lucas deserves it and I believe he [would have] won.”
Soledad joined Morales in his clamor to Golden Boy Promotions’ big boss.
“All I ask is that Oscar will give him another chance and I hope people don’t abandon Lucas like they did after his fight against Danny Garcia,” said Soledad. “A lot of people left Lucas after that fight and that was very painful. A lot of people don’t know it but Lucas was really feeling down after that fight.”
pathetic