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Klitschko: 'I'm not bothered' by P4P rankings
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    Dan Rafael, ESPN Senior Writer
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    • 2013 BWAA Nat Fleischer Award winner for excellence in boxing journalism
    • ESPN.com boxing writer since 2005
    • Five years at USA Today
In the wake of Floyd Mayweather’s retirement, it has left open the question of who is the new No. 1 fighter in the world pound-for-pound.

In the panel vote of ESPN.com’s boxing experts released on Wednesday, the honor went to flyweight world champion Roman “Chocolatito” Gonzalez, who is most definitely one of the elite fighters in the world.

Heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko has dominated the division for a decade. He has never ducked an opponent and fought virtually all of the notable heavyweights of his time, except -- for good reason -- his now-retired older brother Vitali.

Klitschko (64-3, 54 KOs), who hasn’t lost since 2004, has won 22 fights in a row, virtually all of them with ease. Not only hasn’t Klitschko lost in more than a decade, he has barely lost any rounds. During his historic title reign he has also:

• Made 18 title defenses (third-most in division history).

• Held the title for more than nine years (second-longest in division history).

• Is 25-2 overall world title fights (across two title reigns).

• When he meets Tyson Fury, who will be the sixth undefeated opponent Klitschko will be facing in his last seven title defenses, on Oct. 24, it will be the 28th world title fight of Klitschko’s career, breaking the division record he shares with Joe Louis.

It is rather surprising that a fighter as accomplished against the best of his time -- who is also superb on offense and defense with an amateur pedigree that included the 1996 super heavyweight Olympic gold medal -- didn’t get more consideration for the top spot. He came in at No. 8 on the new ESPN poll, which I couldn’t disagree with more. I had been voting him No. 2. With Mayweather retiring, I voted him No. 1.

I asked Klitschko about his pound-for-pound standing on a recent media teleconference he was on to talk about the fight with Fury. As usual, Klitschko was polite and handled himself like he always does -- with class. He wasn’t about to start blathering about how he was the best, like a certain recently retired star did with regularity.

“I will never say that,” Klitschko said when asked he thought he deserved consideration to take over Mayweather’s vacated No. 1 spot. “I don't want to compare myself with other guys and I think there's some that do certain thing better than I and have been champions for a couple of years. But otherwise, am I going to be really upset? No.

“I think that there's a lot of people that can make the decisions. There's always somebody that is better than you in certain ways. There’s an old saying: People call you the king, the king doesn't call himself that. Would I be pleased to be called the top pound-for-pound fighter? I guess so. You guys decide who’s going to be the No. 1 pound for pound. That decision is not in my hands.

“I think that I can do certain things better than the others but I think I will let the others decide for me where I'm [ranked]. So I'm totally chill about it and I'm not bothered by that. I do not decide who's going to be pound-for-pound No. 1.

“You can watch me enjoying myself on Oct. 24th at my next match against Tyson Fury and the rest is history. So I definitely will not concern myself with who's going to be pound-to-pound No. 1.”


Spoken like a true king.


Klitschko: 'I'm not bothered' by P4P rankings - Dan Rafael Blog - ESPN


Wlad The Impaler is easily the best Heavyweight in the world and should break every Heavyweight record before it's all said and done:obama:


meh. i think he should be no1 by default.

but if ward beats kkk n gonzalez its his.

wlad is consistent but froch win alone is better quality imo.


also pac should be up there.....imo. to be honest its really between pac and ward based off skills n resume.
 

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I have no problem to engage, I can talk about wlad all day... But like Chris said the current heavyweights don't have all the names but they are still good.

And let's not get into he couldn't knock someone out, look at his record and ko's... If he doesn't knock someone out like Floyd he trying to play it safe, it just goes like that sometimes.

Prime Lewis and prime wlad is a good fight, can go either way.

Wlad would beat foreman very easy to be honest... Foreman believed in no defense and just walked to u with his hands out... Foreman could not take those big shots from wlad from the outside... Once foreman got close wlad would just get him in a clinch and repeat.

:mjlol: Really? Had that matchup ever happened (Vlad would never sign that contract) that fight would've been over during the stare down center ring. Prime physical Foreman was the most scary heavy of all time. Vlad is weak mentally & a prime Foreman would remind him of the feeling he had when he got hit by Corrie Sanders
 

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:mjlol: Really? Had that matchup ever happened (Vlad would never sign that contract) that fight would've been over during the stare down center ring. Prime physical Foreman was the most scary heavy of all time. Vlad is weak mentally & a prime Foreman would remind him of the feeling he had when he got hit by Corrie Sanders
Wlad weak mentally?

Have u not been looking at the heavy wieght stare downs vitali and wlad have... There very imposing.

If u think I'm talking about the wlad before manny then yes he can be beat by a lot of good fighters but I'm talking about wlad after manny.
 

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:russ: cause its fukkin true thats why u skeptical to engage.

im not putting him over ali resume wise when ali fought wayyyyy better comp.:mjlol:


he couldn't knock out a guy who been boxing for 6 years and won 7-5/8-4 decision imo.

yeah i dont think hes all that. never will.

he did become a better fighter though but even now i don't think he beats prime lewis of the 90's with stew or futch.


u know what wlad vs foreman is the match up i wanna see. they both became better boxers in the latter part of their career.:jbhmm:


Wlad is not the GOAT, no he isn't......but still, Prime Holmes didn't beat a green Tim Witherspoon. He actually lost that fight if you rewatch it.


We don't take that away from Holmes, so why do that for Wlad and Bryant Jennings?:yeshrug:

I've been low key trying to think of a hashtag but I've struggles to come up with one :francis:

Recently I have been looking at old vitali fights and he was the better fighter, not skills wise but he was just looked so imposing and I think had more power then wlad... Vitali chin:wow:


@krackdagawd we need a Wlad hashtag breh.


Ima try and think of one myself :jbhmm:


I have no problem to engage, I can talk about wlad all day... But like Chris said the current heavyweights don't have all the names but they are still good.

And let's not get into he couldn't knock someone out, look at his record and ko's... If he doesn't knock someone out like Floyd he trying to play it safe, it just goes like that sometimes.

Prime Lewis and prime wlad is a good fight, can go either way.

Wlad would beat foreman very easy to be honest... Foreman believed in no defense and just walked to u with his hands out... Foreman could not take those big shots from wlad from the outside... Once foreman got close wlad would just get him in a clinch and repeat.


I think Foreman was much stronger than Wlad and would end up KOing him. Wlad would be too timid for Big George breh, and Foreman's chin was steel while Wlad's chin is able to be cracked.

No one was able to stand up to George's power once he was in his prime.

Once he finally started fighting 15 rounders (his 28th pro fight), over his next 20 fights until he retired, he went 18-2 with 18 KOs. Only Ali (Rope A Dope) and Jimmy Ellis (the fight that retired him for 10 years) was able to survive. And even Ellis admitted he was out cold at 1 point in the fight:manny:


meh. i think he should be no1 by default.

but if ward beats kkk n gonzalez its his.

wlad is consistent but froch win alone is better quality imo.


also pac should be up there.....imo. to be honest its really between pac and ward based off skills n resume.


No way.


Froch struggled with bum as George Groves....twice. Chris Byrd was better than Carl Froch.


Also, Wlad & Vitali killed off every single Heavyweight, so no one is able to be "built" up as a threat in their era because of their dominance.
 
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Wlad weak mentally?

Have u not been looking at the heavy wieght stare downs vitali and wlad have... There very imposing.

If u think I'm talking about the wlad before manny then yes he can be beat by a lot of good fighters but I'm talking about wlad after manny.

It's easy to look tough & like a killer when you know your opponent has no hope. With a prime Big George standing opposite of Vlad I can see him having heart palpitations
 

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:russ: cause its fukkin true thats why u skeptical to engage.

im not putting him over ali resume wise when ali fought wayyyyy better comp.:mjlol:


he couldn't knock out a guy who been boxing for 6 years and won 7-5/8-4 decision imo.

yeah i dont think hes all that. never will.

he did become a better fighter though but even now i don't think he beats prime lewis of the 90's with stew or futch.


u know what wlad vs foreman is the match up i wanna see. they both became better boxers in the latter part of their career.:jbhmm:
You know damn well Bryant jennigs won two rounds
 

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Wlad is not the GOAT, no he isn't......but still, Prime Holmes didn't beat a green Tim Witherspoon. He actually lost that fight if you rewatch it.


We don't take that away from Holmes, so why do that for Wlad and Bryant Jennings?:yeshrug:




@krackdagawd we need a Wlad hashtag breh.


Ima try and think of one myself :jbhmm:





I think Foreman was much stronger than Wlad and would end up KOing him. Wlad would be too timid for Big George breh, and Foreman's chin was steel while Wlad's chin is able to be cracked.





No way.


Froch struggled with bum as George Groves....twice. Chris Byrd was better than Carl Froch.


Also, Wlad & Vitali killed off every single Heavyweight, so no one is able to be "built" up as a threat in their era because of their dominance.
Only fighter that I think that can beat wlad is Lewis... George might have had a steal chin but he's he still can be hurt, if George hits wlad then yes he has a big chance of knocking him out.. Just like every heavyweight has a chance but it's hard to get a clean shot on wlad... I think the only way to beat wlad is from the outside but that's where wlad wants u and he's very good from the outside... That's why I think Lewis has a big chance to beat him.

When it comes to fighters that are just depending to catch wlad with something to win the fight, I give them a slim chance to win.
 

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I have no problem to engage, I can talk about wlad all day... But like Chris said the current heavyweights don't have all the names but they are still good.

And let's not get into he couldn't knock someone out, look at his record and ko's... If he doesn't knock someone out like Floyd he trying to play it safe, it just goes like that sometimes.

Prime Lewis and prime wlad is a good fight, can go either way.

Wlad would beat foreman very easy to be honest... Foreman believed in no defense and just walked to u with his hands out... Foreman could not take those big shots from wlad from the outside... Once foreman got close wlad would just get him in a clinch and repeat.

they are good...and just that. who are the atg? hof? A class fighters? B class fighters? besides wlad(hof level imo)

who wilder? povetkin? chambers? takam? wasch? jennings?:patrice:



wlad vs foreman would not be easy for either. all he has to do is find wlad chin....lets be honest its not the best, he just protects it better cause of stew. its a great fight imo.:yeshrug:
 

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It's easy to look tough & like a killer when you know your opponent has no hope. With a prime Big George standing opposite of Vlad I can see him having heart palpitations
Can we agree that they both won't be scared?
 
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