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[Axum Ezana]

Yeah, I didn't see Bryant Jennings do anything but not get KOd


People automatically assumed he did something more than he did, which is nothing, but put up a little better fight than the others

wlad hit em all night breh.....jennings didn't wobble until the 12th.

jennings been fighting 6 years fresh off the street.....nikka like a rings coli poster dream.

 

[Knicksman20]

Can we agree that they both won't be scared?

I'm telling you fam. Big George was the definition of intimidating. More so than Mike Tyson believe it or not. So if anyone would be scared it would be Vlad & he'd have a good reason to be. George looked sadistic in the ring, like he not only wanted but enjoyed inflicting as much pain as possible on you

 

[GzUp]

they are good...and just that. who are the atg? hof? A class fighters? B class fighters? besides wlad(hof level imo)

who wilder? povetkin? chambers? takam? wasch? jennings?



wlad vs foreman would not be easy for either. all he has to do is find wlad chin....lets be honest its not the best, he just protects it better cause of stew. its a great fight imo.

It's really hard to say how good they are cuz wlad smashes them all... He doesn't let them become great... He takes there 0 and they just move on... I honestly think Sam Peter could have had a great career but he got ruined...

Bryant Jennings,David haye, Pulev Povetkin, Thompson,Chambers, Chagaev,Rahman, Ibragimov, Brewster... I didn't want to bring up names but To me these are good fighters, the names don't stand out but they are no slouches and I'm sure they would have done well in the past.

I can name ray mercer but he was old, but I believe not too long before Lewis fought mercer and mercer have him a tuff fight and wlad stopped mercer... If u havnt seen the wlad vs mercer fight u should, the way he fought was way different, way more exciting.

Also it's been over 10 years, can a division really be weak for over a decade?... I'm gonna be really upset when wlad retires and all of a sudden they say the division is good again.

 

[GzUp]

I'm telling you fam. Big George was the definition of intimidating. More so than Mike Tyson believe it or not. So if anyone would be scared it would be Vlad & he'd have a good reason to be. George looked sadistic in the ring, like he not only wanted but enjoyed inflicting as much pain as possible on you

I can't agree wlad being scared, he's from the same cloth.

 

[Axum Ezana]

Wlad is not the GOAT, no he isn't......but still, Prime Holmes didn't beat a green Tim Witherspoon. He actually lost that fight if you rewatch it.


We don't take that away from Holmes, so why do that for Wlad and Bryant Jennings?




@krackdagawd we need a Wlad hashtag breh.


Ima try and think of one myself





I think Foreman was much stronger than Wlad and would end up KOing him. Wlad would be too timid for Big George breh, and Foreman's chin was steel while Wlad's chin is able to be cracked.

No one was able to stand up to George's power once he was in his prime.

Once he finally started fighting 15 rounders (his 28th pro fight), over his next 20 fights until he retired, he went 18-2 with 18 KOs. Only Ali (Rope A Dope) and Jimmy Ellis (the fight that retired him for 10 years) was able to survive. And even Ellis admitted he was out cold at 1 point in the fight





No way.


Froch struggled with bum as George Groves....twice. Chris Byrd was better than Carl Froch.


Also, Wlad & Vitali killed off every single Heavyweight, so no one is able to be "built" up as a threat in their era because of their dominance.

ill rewatch it but holmes still has a much better resume.

chris was not a true hw....he went up right ?

 

[Newzz]

Only fighter that I think that can beat wlad is Lewis... George might have had a steal chin but he's he still can be hurt, if George hits wlad then yes he has a big chance of knocking him out.. Just like every heavyweight has a chance but it's hard to get a clean shot on wlad... I think the only way to beat wlad is from the outside but that's where wlad wants u and he's very good from the outside... That's why I think Lewis has a big chance to beat him.

When it comes to fighters that are just depending to catch wlad with something to win the fight, I give them a slim chance to win.

What about the fact that Foreman was one of the hardest punchers ever....and not only did Foreman destroy your head, he would destroy your body as well. While Wlad would try & hold on, Foreman would be attacking his liver and kidneys on the inside. Wlad does almost 0 inside work.

Also, from the outside...Wlad had 81'' reach, but Samuel Peters arms were slightly shorter than Foreman's and he dropped Wlad 3 times, and Wlad was also had Emmanuel Steward in his corner at the time. Foreman was much more aggressive than Peters and would still be able to connect from distance on him, because Wlad could only go so far away with his arms only being 2 inches longer than Foreman's. That's his major advantage on a lot of opps, his reach and strength. He wouldn't have that against Big George.

Chin = Foreman
Power = Foreman
Strength = Foreman
Inside Fighting = Foreman
Jab = Foreman
Mental = Foreman

Wlad doesn't hold really any advantages over Foreman and would suffer the fate Peters had in store for him, but forreal this time. Emmanuel Steward would make sure Wlad and Big George never fought breh.

 

[Newzz]

they are good...and just that. who are the atg? hof? A class fighters? B class fighters? besides wlad(hof level imo)

who wilder? povetkin? chambers? takam? wasch? jennings?



wlad vs foreman would not be easy for either. all he has to do is find wlad chin....lets be honest its not the best, he just protects it better cause of stew. its a great fight imo.

We don't know...just like we don't know at welterweight/Junior middleweight because Floyd dominated his era just like Wlad has his.


Until Wlad retires, we wont know. That's the gift & the curse of having 1 man being so much better than his contemporaries.

 

[Axum Ezana]

It's really hard to say how good they are cuz wlad smashes them all... He doesn't let them become great... He takes there 0 and they just move on... I honestly think Sam Peter could have had a great career but he got ruined...

Bryant Jennings,David haye, Pulev Povetkin, Thompson,Chambers, Chagaev,Rahman, Ibragimov, Brewster... I didn't want to bring up names but To me these are good fighters, the names don't stand out but they are no slouches and I'm sure they would have done well in the past.

I can name ray mercer but he was old, but I believe not too long before Lewis fought mercer and mercer have him a tuff fight and wlad stopped mercer... If u havnt seen the wlad vs mercer fight u should, the way he fought was way different, way more exciting.

Also it's been over 10 years, can a division really be weak for over a decade?... I'm gonna be really upset when wlad retires and all of a sudden they say the division is good again.

okay i can see that but if they are great shouldn't their be a dominant gatekeeper/sub boss too?

like prime pac cant beat prime may but he(pac) fukks up everyone else.....i don't see that in the hw.

 

[Newzz]

wlad hit em all night breh.....jennings didn't wobble until the 12th.

jennings been fighting 6 years fresh off the street.....nikka like a rings coli poster dream.

Mike Tyson couldn't KO Mitch Green who was nothing but an active Blood member at the time. Should we hold that against him too?

 

[patscorpio]

chris was not a true hw....he went up right ?

chris fought all but like 5 of his career fights at heavyweight...hes a heavyweight

 

[Newzz]

ill rewatch it but holmes still has a much better resume.

chris was not a true hw....he went up right ?

Evander Holyfield was less of a true Heavyweight than Chris Byrd.


Byrd only fought his first 3 fights at Cruiserweight and then the next 30 in a row at Heavyweight where he fought Wlad. He was a true Heavyweight.

 

[GzUp]

@Newzz wlad doesn't do anything in the inside is cuz he's busy clinching u cuz he doesn't want to get hit... George work in the inside while being clinched won't do much... He can go to the body from the outside lunging in but george is going to get hit a lot and wlad punches hard.

Yes the peter fight wlad did have Stewart but he still didn't have it together... I recently watched his fights starting when manny joined, I think manny was with him for 2 or 3 fights before he faced Sam... Wlad didn't turn it around until u fought Chris Byrd for the title, he looked amazing in that fight.

 

[Axum Ezana]

Mike Tyson couldn't KO Mitch Green who was nothing but an active Blood member at the time. Should we hold that against him too?

westside nikka

 

[Axum Ezana]

oh yeah...jennings tore wlad ribs up during the clinches.

they were literally red.....

 

[GzUp]

okay i can see that but if they are great shouldn't their be a dominant gatekeeper/sub boss too?

like prime pac cant beat prime may but he(pac) fukks up everyone else.....i don't see that in the hw.

I knew u would ask this and I can't really say... Once wlad beats some of the undeafeted top ranking guys they just go on and beat eachother up... I couldn't tell u who is a dominant great/sub boss.

I mean if u take away PAC from the equation then it would be similar to the wlad situation minus the big names but all those fighters that can't bear May go on and beat eachother.

The heavyweight division can be kinda wierd cuz all it takes is one punch so anyone can be beat.