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Newzz said:
True, which is why 3 of the 4 fighters on my Mt. Rushmore have suffered defeats/draws in their prime....all except Floyd. But just using this list alone provided by RING Magazine for Fighter Of The Decade (10: Greatest fighters by decade - Ring TV )

1910s: Sam Langford

1920s: Benny Leonard

1930s: Henry Armstrong

1940s: Sugar Ray Robinson

1950s: Sugar Ray Robinson

1960s: Muhammad Ali

1970s: Roberto Duran

1980s: Sugar Ray Leonard

1990s: Roy Jones Jr.

2000s: Manny Pacquiao

*2010s: Floyd Mayweather Jr.*

*we all know that belongs to Floyd*

^^^ Now, going by those fighters who each dominated their respective eras enough to be picked as the greatest of the decade, I picked the Top 4 most skilled imo to create my Mt. Rushmore Of Boxing.

Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Floyd Mayweather Jr make up my 4.
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floyd in his prime had 7-5,8-4, wins if i recall right .....just saying nikkas came close to beating him...thats all.
 
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WickedSkengman said:
ali got schooled by ken norton tho. he wasnt the most skilled of his era. he had the most will. definetely not the most skill. let alone most skilled out of all fighters.

he stood straight up and pulled straight back from punches. thats not skill. thats fundamental mistakes that he got away with until his athleticism failed him.
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That's not what I said though. I said: "Out of everyone who has dominated their respective era's, I believe SRR/Muhammad Ali/SRL/Floyd Mayweather Jr are the most skilled". In order to make my list, you first had to dominate your era....which Muhammad Ali WAS the best Heavyweight and fighter period of his time.

"Technical skill" isn't the end-all be all of what im talking about when I say "skill" either. I believe the pressure that JCC Sr applied showed he had a high skill level, even if he wasn't the normal "technical skill" type that say a Juan Manuel Marquez exhibits. I would always pick JCC Sr over JMM because I believe his skill (JCC's) level was better than JMM's is.

I believe Roy Jones Jr was highly skilled at what he did, not in the prototype sense either, but what he was great at was > the more technical fighters (such as a B Hop or James Toney).

Matter of fact, taking from a previous post from Breadman that I posted in here about Ali:

He beat 4 Olympic Gold Medalist in Floyd Patterson, Joe Frazier, George Foreman and Leon Spinks, no one history has done that in the pro ranks. He also beat Archie Moore, Bob Foster, Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, George Foreman and Floyd Patterson. Which makes him the only heavyweight in history to beat 7 HOF fighters. 5 of them were all time greats.

The biggest statement that can be made about Ali is that Ali fought his most threatening contemporaries and Floyd did not. Anyone can make the glass half full or half empty when it comes to a fighter’s resume that’s why fighters have to be careful when picking apart the resumes of their fellow fighters. But no one not even Ali’s biggest detractors can nitpick his competition. Ali fought everybody.

Even the guys who gave him trouble like Ken Norton he often fought them 2 or 3 times. He was the GUN of all Guns. People don’t realize this but Henry Cooper who dropped Ali early in his career got a rematch with Ali, he also gave Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston rematches. He fought Joe Bugner twice and Bugner scored a knockdown against him. He fought George Chuvalo twice who was insanely tough. The kicker is Ali fought Chuvalo in his home country of Canada, twice!!! Did I mention he fought Ken Norton 2 of those times in Southern California and that is where Norton was from!

We all talk about his rematches with Frazier but we forget how many fighters he fought more than once to clear up any doubts as to who was the best. Muhammad Ali is revered by the historians for a reason. He was absolutely insane as to who he would fight, where he would fight them and when he would fight them.

In his first 2 title tries against Sonny Liston and George Foreman he had to go up against all time great fighters where he was more than a 4 to 1 underdog in both fights. Think about that for a second when you look at his resume.

When a critic brings up a shortcoming of a great fighter I always think did this short coming stop him from coming up big in his big fights. For example people like to say Ali didn’t have technical skills, he couldn’t body punch and once he got old his defense was poor. So I say did his lack of technical skills allowed him to beat superior technical fighters like Bob Foster, Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston. He didn’t body punch but he scored late stoppages over Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and Floyd Patterson. His defense suffered as he got older but he was only stopped once and that was a corner stoppage in his next to last fight. How ironic?
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Newzz said:
That's not what I said though. I said: "Out of everyone who has dominated their respective era's, I believe SRR/Muhammad Ali/SRL/Floyd Mayweather Jr are the most skilled". In order to make my list, you first had to dominate your era....which Muhammad Ali WAS the best Heavyweight and fighter period of his time. "technical skill" isn't the end-all be all of what im talking about when I say "skill" either. I believe Roy Jones Jr was highly skilled at what he did, not in the prototype sense, but what he was great at was > the more technical fighters (such as a B Hop or James Toney). Matter of fact, taking from a previous post from Breadman that I posted in here about Ali:
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when did ali dominate his era? he lost multiple times uring his reign.
 
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Newzz said:
So you cant dominate your era if you lost a fight or 2 to another ATG?:snoop:

If that's the case my Mt. Rushmore would be Rocky Marciano, Joe Calzaghe, Floyd Mayweather Jr, and Cesar Cuenca:snoop:
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joe louis dominated his era. 25 title defenses prove it. and hes a lot more skilled than ali. why wouldnt you mention him?
 
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#SOG_soldier said:
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what joe louis did was dominate his era. thats why he has the most title defenses. and if you want to talk about skills. who punched with better technique than joe louis?

but then again ali did his best to take any shine away from joe louis accomplishments. and of course whatever ali says is gospel. you cant dare go against what he says. of course hes the greatest. because he told us himself. nah im not buying it.
 
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wastemen negging calling me cac because i prefer joe louis over muhammad ali and i have stated my reasons. this forum is a fukking joke. the militancy has even infected this thread. heres a fukking clue you dikkhead. joe louis is black. clueless fakkit
 
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WickedSkengman said:
when he strung together 25 title defenses breh. thats shat i just said. ali had nowhere near that.
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You're missing the point over and over again.

Muhammad Ali was the best fighter of his era that he fought in. Joe Louis wasn't the best fighter of his era...that distinction belongs to Sugar Ray Robinson.

Your logic is SERIOUSLY flawed, because Wladimir Klitschko has more successful title defenses than Ali as well and is ALSO about to pass Joe Louis for most defenses too. Would you put Klitschko over Ali and Louis?:dahell:
 
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Newzz said:
You're missing the point over and over again.

Muhammad Ali was the best fighter of his era that he fought in. Joe Louis wasn't the best fighter of his era...that distinction belongs to Sugar Ray Robinson.
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ali was the best of his era
but i wouldn't say he Dominated it
but that was the best heavy weight era ever and he missed 3 years or so of his prime so i can't really blame him:yeshrug:
 
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Newzz said:
You're missing the point over and over again.

Muhammad Ali was the best fighter of his era that he fought in. Joe Louis wasn't the best fighter of his era...that distinction belongs to Sugar Ray Robinson.

Your logic is SERIOUSLY flawed, because Wladimir Klitschko has more successful title defenses than Ali as well and is ALSO about to pass Joe Louis for most defenses too. Would you put Klitschko over Ali and Louis?:dahell:
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how was ali the best of his era when he fought in an era that had alexis arguello, bob foster, carlos monzon and roberto duran in it? :dwillhuh:

bob foster was more dominant at his wieght than ali was. carlos monzon was more dominant at his weight than ali was. alexis arguello was dominant through multiple weightclasses. how was ali greater than these?

i didnt realise you meant ali was the best of his era out of all weightclasses.
 
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