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[WickedSkengman]

"when did louis dominate his era? he lost multiple times during his reign."

Right? Isn't that your logic breh?

when did joe louis lose multiple times in his reign? he lost once early on when he was still green. then he went on to make 25 straight titke defenses. thats what a reign is. you are saying i have no logic but what im typing to me makes perfect sense.

 

[WickedSkengman]

i just dont see what makes ali greater than carlos monzon, arguello, bob foster or duran. if we are talking about accomplishments in the ring and reigning their divisions. they are much more accomplished than ali.

 

[Newzz]

ali was the best of his era
but i wouldn't say he Dominated it
but that was the best heavy weight era ever and he missed 3 years or so of his prime so i can't really blame him

Exactly. He had 3 1/2 years out of his prime as a Heavyweight taken from him. Who knows how many more wins/names he could've gathered on his resume

 

[Newzz]

how was ali the best of his era when he fought in an era that had alexis arguello, bob foster, carlos monzon and roberto duran in it?

bob foster was more dominant at his wieght than ali was. carlos monzon was more dominant at his weight than ali was. alexis arguello was dominant through multiple weightclasses. how was ali greater than these?

i didnt realise you meant ali was the best of his era out of all weightclasses.

Breh...again, what you're saying is the equivalent of saying "how could Floyd be the best of his era when Manny Pacquiao fought in it"

You bringing up Arguello, Monzon, Duran, and Foster? Ali was better than Duran. (Even though I already posted Duran was the best of the 70s by the info I was going off of to even start on my Mt Rushmore). Ali KOd Foster. Arguello wasn't part of Ali's era. Ali was washed up by the time Arguello even became a Champion for the 1st time. Monzon became a Champion for the 1st time in 1970 and lost or drew with MANY fighters who won't be going down in the ATG list, compared to Ali who only lost to Frazier and Norton in his prime (He was washed up when he lost to Spinks, Holmes, snd Berbick) How one could compare him to Ali or even pose that question is

 

[WickedSkengman]

Breh...again, what you're saying is the equivalent of saying "how could Floyd be the best of his era when Roy Jones fought in it"

You bringing up Arguello, Monzon, and Foster? (Ali was better than Duran, but I already posted Duran was the best of the 70s by the info I was going off of). Ali KOd Foster. Arguello wasn't part of Ali's era. Ali was washed up by the time Arguello even became a Champion for the 1st time. Monzon became a Champion for the 1st time in 1970 and lost or drew with MANY fighters who won't be going down in the ATG list. How one could compare him to Ali or even pose that question is

bob foster was a legit 175lber. he barely cut any weight. it doesnt matter if ali who had like 40lbs on him beat him. that fight was meaningless. zero stock in that. just like ali beating a 50 year old moore means absolutely nothing.


foster ruled lhw longer than ali ruled hw. same for monzon at mw. of course you can compare monzon to ali. both are top 5 all time at their weightclass.

and how was ali better than duran? are you talking resume or skills?

 

[seemorecizzy]

Exactly. He had 3 1/2 years out of his prime as a Heavyweight taken from him. Who knows how many more wins/names he could've gathered on his resume

i don't like to make assumptions but he was 29-0 at the time of his suspension was only 25 years old and he only seemed to be getting better
i really think he could hit that 50-0
imagine any boxer missing ages 25-29 and still coming back and winning the world title
the one that came back from the suspension was still great but he wasn't like he was before
it gave his compeition a chance to catch up

 

[GzUp]

when he strung together 25 title defenses breh. thats shat i just said. ali had nowhere near that.

joe didnt fight the top guys on title defenses a lot of the times.

check the records.

 

[Axum Ezana]

joe didnt fight the top guys on title defenses a lot of the times.

check the records.

u think wlad record is better?

 

[WickedSkengman]

i don't like to make assumptions but he was 29-0 at the time of his suspension was only 25 years old and he only seemed to be getting better
i really think he could hit that 50-0
imagine any boxer missing ages 25-29 and still coming back and winning the world title
the one that came back from the suspension was still great but he wasn't like he was before
it gave his compeition a chance to catch up

thing is with ali is his age would have caught up to him anyway. his style was based on athleticism rather than fundamentals. it wasnt built to last. his incredible will and toughness got him through after his legs went. he took massive punishment from norton, frazier and foreman because his legs had gone.

 

[seemorecizzy]

thing is with ali is his age would have caught up to him anyway. his style was based on athleticism rather than fundamentals. it wasnt built to last. his incredible will and toughness got him through after his legs went. he took massive punishment from norton, frazier and foreman because his legs had gone.

and he still won
so imagine what happens without the 4 year lay off

 

[GzUp]

u think wlad record is better?

by comparison yes.

wlad has defended his title against top guys... alot were undefeated... i want to say wlad maybe has the record in taking 0s.

 

[WickedSkengman]

and he still won
so imagine what happens without the 4 year lay off

ali was still training and in the gym. he didnt just stop boxing for 4 years. he aged. thats what happened.

 

[Newzz]

bob foster was a legit 175lber. he barely cut any weight. it doesnt matter if ali who had like 40lbs on him beat him. that fight was meaningless. zero stock in that. just like ali beating a 50 year old moore means absolutely nothing.

Stop trolling breh

How can you beat someone and then be told it doesn't count?

Ali was better than Foster period. Him KOing him in 8 rounds was the cherry on top.

I guess Lewis beating Holyfield doesn't count either since he had 30+ lbs on him.

foster ruled lhw longer than ali ruled hw. same for monzon at mw. of course you can compare monzon to ali. both are top 5 all time at their weightclass.

Ali faced and defeated better opponents than Foster and Monzon combined. Foster also lost to Joe Frazier as well at Heavyweight which means he was no match for the elite Heavyweights of that time period.

and how was ali better than duran? are you talking resume or skills?

Both.

 

[Newzz]

thing is with ali is his age would have caught up to him anyway. his style was based on athleticism rather than fundamentals. it wasnt built to last. his incredible will and toughness got him through after his legs went. he took massive punishment from norton, frazier and foreman because his legs had gone.

Still doesn't change the fact that he lost 3 1/2 years out of his prime.

He left at 25 and didn't return until he was almost 29. That's a HUGE chunk of your athletic prime taken from yiu

 

[GzUp]

Still doesn't change the fact that he lost 3 1/2 years out of his prime.

He left at 25 and didn't return until he was almost 29. That's a HUGE chunk of your athletic prime taken from yiu

i would compare it to the vitali situation... vitali could have had a way better resume and cuz of that wlad has the better resume by far and to me is the lesser fighter.