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This is true...but my point is why would he when $700k doesnt come around that often for these types of fights? I am not arguing that Danny cant refuse...I am saying its easy for us to say that sitting where we are. If you check my posts back when this fight was announced I said that his team was hurting him from a future boxing/business standpoint....however....its really hard to turn that type of paycheck down UNLESS he already had a signed contract to face Floyd or Manny. then he could throw that $700k opportunity in the bushes in lieu of one paying him 3-5 x that much.
I totally agree with you that a fighter should try to make as much money as possible and if Allah Haymon can get them ridiculous amounts of money for glorified sparring matches then I understand why they go along. I just don't want to see fight cards where that happens become the norm.
 

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first off, belts mean shyt really. dont think Haymon with his influence cant get those belts from Swift and around the waist of another fighter. its a dirty political game. Haymon can manufacture champs. Haymon got Berto that WBC belt. Haymon got Forrest his WBC belt. He is a powerful man. why go against him when things are working IN YOUR FAVOR.

I am not saying he has no clout. He can stand up and say I fighting no damn body. Why would he do that though?

Look at it this way.....suppose he said...I aint gonna fight Salka. then they say...well give us an opponent you want. then he has to throw out names for his team to make offers for. he may even have to make personal calls himself.

why go through all that when you can just look at a schedule, see who you are fighting, and get paid? we are only talking about one fight here. the guy has fought nothing but names and high caliber opponents for the past 3 years. ultimately, writers will ask Danny himself...why Salka....but again, he didnt pick this dude. he signed a fight for said amount. Showtime couldve changed the opponent and it wouldnt have made a difference....Danny still signed to fight. Showtime didnt change the opponent though...so why bash that man for getting a check?
Im not bashing him for getting a check, Im bashing the idea that he's just this puppet dangling from strings controlled by Al.. im bashing this silly notion that if Swift opted to fight a more known and qualified opponent against Al's suggestion of Salka, then Al would in your words "use his powers to arrange for swifts belts to be put around the waist of another fighter" you cant see how ridiculous you sound?? Did that happen when AB opted to fight Madonna against Al's wishes?? fukk no..
 

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Im not bashing him for getting a check, Im bashing the idea that he's just this puppet dangling from strings controlled by Al.. im bashing this silly notion that if Swift opted to fight a more known and qualified opponent against Al's suggestion of Salka, then Al would in your words "use his powers to arrange for swifts belts to be put around the waist of another fighter" you cant see how ridiculous you sound?? Did that happen when AB opted to fight Madonna against Al's wishes?? fukk no..

I am not saying that is what is going to happen immediately. dont show your ignorance. what I am saying is I like to know what kind of world yall live in? how many nikkas in here is broke not because of circumstance but because they just too fukkin dumb to think.

lemme give you a soft analogy. I am not the person that goes to lunch with the boss. but if he keeps asking I will go every now and then. I have been in jobs where you are ostracized because you dont wish to socialize or partake.

your goal should be fostering a good relationship with your people, not doing one thing after another to show your distrust in them doing their job.

maybe Danny saves this card and pulls it at a later date. but why pull this card now, then you dont agree with the next opponent and pull it again? and again? pretty soon, you are not a manageable client because you are not letting the management do what they are getting paid to do. hence wtf u need them for???

team Swift fukked up on this one.....but tomorrow is a different day. no career doesnt have missteps. this is chess not checkers nikka.

as far as AB, let him pick another opponent on his own and get fukked up and see what happens. :comeon: :ufdup: betcha he learned his lesson bout doin that shyt.

tired of :deadhorse:and explaining real world scenarios to nikkas who live in a bubble :snoop: especially you of all nikkas who never produced these viable opponents that were so fukking easy to get a signature on a piece of paper from.
 

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ultimately, writers will ask Danny himself...why Salka....but again, he didnt pick this dude. he signed a fight for said amount. Showtime couldve changed the opponent and it wouldnt have made a difference....Danny still signed to fight. Showtime didnt change the opponent though...so why bash that man for getting a check?


Showtime didnt pick the opponent though

Stephen Espinoza says he ASKED for Lamont Peterson vs Danny Garcia, but they wouldnt do it. From the way things are coming out afterwards, it's obvious it was #swiftset who turned down the fight and not Team Peterson, because Lamont has stated a few times he thought he was fighting Garcia on that date.:manny:







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This was all on Swift's shoulders, because no...he may not pick his opponent (100%), BUT he has final say so on who he fights, because HE has to sign the contract. It all ultimately falls down on him. He went along with the picking of Rod Salka, so he has to go along with the backlash and criticisms from the public.


Showtime did NOT want this fight, but had to compromise in order to keep business good with Haymon

 
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I totally agree with you that a fighter should try to make as much money as possible and if Allah Haymon can get them ridiculous amounts of money for glorified sparring matches then I understand why they go along. I just don't want to see fight cards where that happens become the norm.

lemme tell u something. the business of boxing is soooooooo complex and convoluted. I mentioned before that Haymon reminds me of King.
for everything that Haymon is bad for in boxing, he is also good for. You take the good with the bad and weigh them in the end. Don King can take a lot of credit for whats fukked up with boxing. So can Bob Arum. but what would boxing be like had we not had them? they did more good than bad. we can only hope the same for Haymon. some things he is doing I really appreciate, others :scusthov: but what can we do?
 

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Showtime didnt pick the opponent though

Stephen Espinoza says he ASKED for Lamont Peterson vs Danny Garcia, but they wouldnt do it. From the way things are coming out afterwards, it's obvious it was #swiftset who turned down the fight and not Team Peterson, because Lamont has stated a few times he thought he was fighting Garcia on that date.:manny:

cant force someone to take a fight but have no problem putting it on. I didnt say Sho picked him but how you gonna absolve them when they didnt disapprove? they have first right of refusal....or as Espinosa says....dont open the checkbook.
 

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Showtime did NOT want this fight, but had to compromise in order to keep business.

thats bullshyt. I'm done with you nikkas.

listen man....Danny had a date.....on 8/9 right??? the fight opponent was announced AFTER the date was. we didnt know it was gonna be Salka til later. Sho approved. now to prove what you just said was bullshyt....

Stevenson had fight scheduled for 10/27....with no opponent named. when Sho wouldnt approve anyone Superman camp brought up, they cancelled the fukkin date! even though Campillo was ready to fight.

Sho wanted to put Danny on and if they didnt like Salka, they wouldve shut that shyt down like they did Adonis. so fukk outta here talmbout Sho DID NOT want the fight but they put it on when they just cancelled Stevenson's Montreal date and couldve gotten Campillo!
 

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cant force someone to take a fight but have no problem putting it on. I didnt say Sho picked him but how you gonna absolve them when they didnt disapprove? they have first right of refusal....or as Espinosa says....dont open the checkbook.

Im not blaming the network for showing a fight, when they have business needs that have to be met. ESPECIALLY, when they are basically backed into a corner because they're biggest "client", Floyd Mayweather Jr, is advised by Haymon as well and could ruin potential negotiations with him by not basically bending over for Haymon's wishes. He said it right here:




Danny Garcia signed the contract agreeing to fight Rod Salka. He chose to fight him, he has final say-so on ANYTHING he does in the ring.....he gets the most criticism for accepting this matchup.
 

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Im not blaming the network for showing a fight, when they have business needs that have to be met. ESPECIALLY, when they are basically backed into a corner because they're biggest "client", Floyd Mayweather Jr, is advised by Haymon as well and could ruin potential negotiations with him by not basically bending over for Haymon's wishes. He said it right here:




Danny Garcia signed the contract agreeing to fight Rod Salka. He chose to fight him, he has final say-so on ANYTHING he does in the ring.....he gets the most criticism for accepting this matchup.


wrong....Danny signed to fight TBA before the fact.

Stevenson signed vs TBA before the fact. isnt Stevenson with Haymon? so that puts holes all up in your bullshyt theory right there because Showtime just shut Superman down for Sept 27......dont play nikka, bring facts.
 

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thats bullshyt. I'm done with you nikkas.

listen man....Danny had a date.....on 8/9 right??? the fight opponent was announced AFTER the date was. we didnt know it was gonna be Salka til later. Sho approved. now to prove what you just said was bullshyt....

Stevenson had fight scheduled for 10/27....with no opponent named. when Sho wouldnt approve anyone Superman camp brought up, they cancelled the fukkin date! even though Campillo was ready to fight.

Sho wanted to put Danny on and if they didnt like Salka, they wouldve shut that shyt down. so fukk outta here talmbout Sho DID NOT want the fight but they put it on when they just cancelled Stevenson's Montreal date and couldve gotten Campillo!


Good thing I read your mind and already posted this:sas2:

Im not blaming the network for showing a fight, when they have business needs that have to be met. ESPECIALLY, when they are basically backed into a corner because they're biggest "client", Floyd Mayweather Jr, is advised by Haymon as well and could ruin potential negotiations with him by not basically bending over for Haymon's wishes. He said it right here:




Danny Garcia signed the contract agreeing to fight Rod Salka. He chose to fight him, he has final say-so on ANYTHING he does in the ring.....he gets the most criticism for accepting this matchup.



Yall #swiftset nikkas need to get out of here blaming everyone else for DANNY GARCIA SIGNING THE CONTRACT TO FIGHT ROD SALKA!:camby:


It doesnt matter if Al Haymon told him to fight Brodus Clay, Garcia has the final say-so on ALL matters relating to him. He agreed to fight him. Haymon can bring 1000 people to the table...the fight doesnt happen unless Swift says "yes" to just 1 of em and signs the contract.


I dont understand what you dont get about that simple fact. Garcia agreed to fight the opponent, he agrees to get the criticism for accepting that opponent.
 

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I am not saying that is what is going to happen immediately. dont show your ignorance. what I am saying is I like to know what kind of world yall live in? how many nikkas in here is broke not because of circumstance but because they just too fukkin dumb to think.

lemme give you a soft analogy. I am not the person that goes to lunch with the boss. but if he keeps asking I will go every now and then. I have been in jobs where you are ostracized because you dont wish to socialize or partake.

your goal should be fostering a good relationship with your people, not doing one thing after another to show your distrust in them doing their job.

maybe Danny saves this card and pulls it at a later date. but why pull this card now, then you dont agree with the next opponent and pull it again? and again? pretty soon, you are not a manageable client because you are not letting the management do what they are getting paid to do. hence wtf u need them for???

team Swift fukked up on this one.....but tomorrow is a different day. no career doesnt have missteps. this is chess not checkers nikka.

as far as AB, let him pick another opponent on his own and get fukked up and see what happens. :comeon: :ufdup: betcha he learned his lesson bout doin that shyt.

tired of :deadhorse:and explaining real world scenarios to nikkas who live in a bubble :snoop: especially you of all nikkas who never produced these viable opponents that were so fukking easy to get a signature on a piece of paper from.

:mjlol: you need more people breh

At least you're man enough to admit the bolded, but we could've all done without all the plea copping
 

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wrong....Danny signed to fight TBA before the fact.

isnt Stevenson with Haymon? so that puts holes all up in your bullshyt theory right there because Showtime just shut Superman down for Sept 27......dont play nikka, bring facts.

Danny Garcia thought he was fighting Gabriel Bracero....not TBA. Just because YOU didnt know who Garcia was fighting, doesnt mean HE didnt, because he said it out of his own mouth that's who he was expecting:birdman:


Obviously, your boy was looking towards fighting a bum regardless and that's a fact. He just chose the #77 ranked bum below his division with 3 KOs in 19 wins (Rod Salka) over the #62 ranked bum above his division with 4 KOs in 23 wins. (Gabriel Bracero) when Haymon brought Salka to the table later down the line as an even EASIER touch.


THOSE are facts:ufdup:
 
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