King P
Legends Never Die
I was well aware of the fukkery that would ensue friend
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thats boxing politics for you...that zab fight is one of the reasons that made me goabout floyd but thats for another time and discussion...politics and bullshyt fukking up the divisions
khan needs to learn that struggling to W's does not earn you shyt..but he knows he's one KO loss away from having to go back to the drawing board...he'll be in the same boat as paulie malignaggi
I felt Mayweather/Zab was the best fight to be made at the time, so I didn't mind, but I understand where your coming from.
What bothered me about that fight more than anything was that it was for Zab's IBF title. The fact that he even had the ibf title was just lame.
As for Khan, the dude just needs to fight. He is way too inactive to be as young as he is. He only fought once last year. He fought this year already. He may sneak in a fight before the year is over, but who knows with this guy. He'll probably spend his time talking to reporters about how he has the right style to beat mayweather & he has the speed. It's the same bullshyt he's been doing for years. He'll just wait & hope he gets the fight & claim Mayweather is ducking him when someone else actually earns the right to face him. The guy is unbelievable.
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lol what kickboxing event is that from?Bradley v Provodnikov
is that one of those shaolin monks?
illiterate? Dont try an insult my intelligence like you saying something brilliant fukk nikka you in here posting a whole lot of nothing trying to save Swift from taking any type of responsibility for decisions made on his career ol "back in the day I used to think like you ass nikka".. So the fukk what if he's 25. His ass wanted the softest touch possible and then demanded a 142 catchweight against a lightweight.. why you saving him,
Like its not exactly what Danny wanted
I dont have to name shyt nikka you already named enough. Now either you saying them nikkas are ducking, or pricing themselves out(which is still ducking since they're neither a champ nor a draw and should have little to no say in their purse and should happily take 100k)
What else could you possibly be implying to why Al Haymon couldn't get a better opponent besides Salka for the showcase to fight Swift for a belt or not even for a belt, but for a chance to headline on a Showtime main event.. If you not saying they ducking what are you saying?? He could've fought Lundy who said he would be willing to fight Danny for free.. what happened there?? Did he go from that to pricing himself out?? Did he not agree with the venue?? Did he have some other big obligation on that date?? Or possibly was he never considered at all as an opponent since he's not a soft enough touch..
yeah. u illiterate.
Lets say for instance as you believe that Danny told his team and Showtime "get me Rod Salka!"
his team has to be cool with it and sign off on it.
Showtime has to be cool with it and sign off on it.
just those things alone tell you its not all on Danny.
what I am saying is, I doubt he even heard of Salka. I doubt it was his suggestion. When they approached him about it.....he was probably like OK....whatever. Even if he said, "fukk naw, I aint fighting this bum" then you are going against your team and your network. You are possibly risking flushing $700k down the toilet. For what? To please nikkas like you who dont give a fukk about him anyway?
Danny is not in the position to be bucking against his team. There's levels to this and the only guy that is in position to turn down fights is Floyd. Dont get me wrong, Algeri is a good fighter, but he is fresh outta doing ballroom fights. He is a worthy opponent. Not saying he isnt. He is however not the biggest name Manny could be fighting. That is what this is all about. You want some bigger name fights right? Well, Manny aint in the position to say shyt to Bob....about NOTHING. Especially with his tax troubles. Manny aint even that type of dude anyway. If Bob tells him to fight King Kong, he will do it. These guys just dont go around telling promoters and matchmakers what they want to do. That is not their job.
Which makes my point..if he would acquiesce to his #1 asset taking a fight against a guy that was the defintion of big risk low reward then why would he be eager to give soft touches to Haymon's fighters that aren't even signed to GBP?
Oscar wouldn't even fully commit to promoting that Garcia/Salka fight.
I don't want to see Brook against Rios or Lopez to be honest.
I really do hope something can be worked out between him and Thurman because I think that would be a good match up. Def better than Rios, Lopez or even Khan.
I fully understand the influence and control that Haymon has over his fighters, I just don't like it.
And at a certain level some of these dudes need to step up and dictate their terms to Haymon since he works for them at the end of the day.
So I agree that a Caleb Truax has to go along with whatever Haymon decides because of Truax's status in boxing. Dudes at Floyd's level and even a step below like Garcia and Broner can exert more control over their careers instead of hiding behind Uncle Al like they have no say in what fights they agree to or not.
thats boxing politics for you...that zab fight is one of the reasons that made me go
khan needs to learn that struggling to W's does not earn you shyt..but he knows he's one KO loss away from having to go back to the drawing board...he'll be in the same boat as paulie malignaggi
Zab fight was still the biggest fight out there. iirc....Floyd still got around the same amount. It was Zab who lost a good $5 mil by losing to Baldy. The IBF went against its own rules by keeping Zab as champion. Its written in their own bylaws and they still said fukk it. it was a fight that had huge crossover appeal in the hip hop world and in the streets. when you think about it....its still one of the biggest fights between 2 African Americans in the past decade. Only other fights I can think of off hand would be all those fights with BHop/Winky/Jermain/Chad etc....and Floyd/Zab still bigger than any of those. prob closest thing was the Tarver vs Jones III.
Pac's temporary restaining order is set to run "indefinitely and until further orders"...Manny won't be paying one peso to the Filipino Tax Man.
"working for them" is a matter of semantics. you arent looking at it right. there was a point like anything else where Haymon had to go out looking for clients. now the clients go looking for Haymon. lol...I am telling you....that is not the perception behind the scenes....
you just said it yourself...he has control and influence over them. how do you do that for someone you work for?
if certain fighters step up and dictate terms, he could tell them to take a hike.
I am speaking of this from experience, because I have done a lot of things in my life. and when it comes to me offering my consultation as a service.....I have always been able to work best with those who TRUST me to sit back and do what I do. thats why you hired me right? I have had to sever ties with those who come in and criticize everything that I consulted because my methods got results. Thats why they came to me in the first place.
you dont come to someone who is known for getting results and tell them how to do the shyt they was getting positive results from before they even heard of you.
why hire a stock broker if you are gonna tell him the moves to make? why hire a general contractor if you already know how to build? Johnny Cochran worked for his clients too you know...and I'll bet they werent dictating shyt to him. I hope you see my point.
Like I previousl;y said...allowing Haymon a high level of control is to be expected with low level fighters but some of his stable are big enough names that they are not so beholden to Haymon that they can't exercise control over who they fight.
Haymon fighters at a certain star level can't and shouldn't be just taking soft touch after soft touch just because that is who Al puts in front of them out of fear that Al will drop them because those fighters have options outside of Haymon's sphere of influence.
what needs changing with Floyd's career though? Is he making more before or after Haymon?
is Garcia and Broner in better positions now than before they were with Haymon?
you not looking at this logically breh. you work smart, not hard. all these guys gotta do is train. let Al take care of the business side...then you can focus on winning. when Broner lost, I dont remember him saying fukk Al. when Danny struggled with Herrera I didnt see him get pissed at Al
what I do remember though is when Zab lost to Baldy and immediately said Don King was a dirty promoter on live camera with Don standing right there. he said Don had him running around doing all the promotion for the fight and he didnt have time to focus. Yoel was even like
this boxing business is about getting paid. there really arent many guys out there now who dream of entering the HOF one day. thats secondary. right now they are about getting paid the most they can get. its fukked up, yeah. but who wouldnt want to make $700k for a couple rounds of easy work? thats why none of Al's clients are mad at him....and they thank him before God because he is the most visible manifestation of God to them, rather than mystery figure in the sky. think on that.
ok, breh. lets say I agree with you for a minute....from a fans perspective. we dont know what lives these boxers lead. I have a family that I would like to help out...I am sure you do too. tomorrow is not promised, especially not in boxing. If Al is getting Floyd $40-70 mil......for fighting Guerrero, Maidana....then why on earth would Floyd be mad. especially Floyd who has said he isnt fighting for anyone but himself and his family.
down to a much lower level....
DK: Larry, I got someone you can beat
Larry Holmes: Who?
DK: Mike Tyson
Larry: I cant beat Mike Tyson
DK: I will give you $2.5 mil
Larry: Where's Mike??? lol
switch DK with Al and Larry with Danny Garcia. put yourself in Danny shoes. and remember, there is a big difference between
against prime Tyson than Swift against Salka.
Here lies the problem, you aren't a promoter, you aren't a manager, you aren't a network executive, you're a fan.
It's great that fighters get paid well, I'm all for that but I'm not their accountant nikka, I'm a fan.
therein lies the problem because you cant say you are a fan and then say you are not their accountant. its contradictory to business. a fan isnt looking through the same glasses as a business person. as a fan I told you the Salka fight wasnt shyt. but I also expressed my feelings on the business side. the two dont mix.
I am not a promoter...yet....but as I have stated here, I will be one day. its one of my goals. I have studied the business a lil, still have a lot to learn but I will get my promoters license in the next 2 years. just to say I did it and because I am a fan. but the promoter has to balance what the fans want and take care of the business side. its very difficult.
so again, I am a fan yes, but I also took the time to study some of the business aspect of boxing and other events. I have promoted/co-promoted local concerts....and even that is a lot of work and running around....think about on a large scale. you have to look at this from more than one way. if you are gonna say you are a fan, then leave it at that but dont think ANYONE cares about how big a fan you are.....because the people putting on and starring on the event are taking care of themselves first.