Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.
- Thread starter Jesus Is Lord
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Well you should agree with me because my point is inarguable. Big name fighters have control over their careers that lesser known fighters don't regardless of who their manager is.ok, breh. lets say I agree with you for a minute....from a fans perspective. we dont know what lives these boxers lead. I have a family that I would like to help out...I am sure you do too. tomorrow is not promised, especially not in boxing. If Al is getting Floyd $40-70 mil......for fighting Guerrero, Maidana....then why on earth would Floyd be mad. especially Floyd who has said he isnt fighting for anyone but himself and his family.
down to a much lower level....
DK: Larry, I got someone you can beat
Larry Holmes: Who?
DK: Mike Tyson
Larry: I cant beat Mike Tyson
DK: I will give you $2.5 mil
Larry: Where's Mike??? lol
switch DK with Al and Larry with Danny Garcia. put yourself in Danny shoes. and remember, there is a big difference betweenagainst prime Tyson than Swift against Salka.
And my point about them exerting that control is directly tied to the ongoing discussion of the matchups that fighters like Swift and Broner (to a lesser extent) are having against guys that are not considered stiff comp or challenges at all.
If Al told Danny he wanted him to fight a 42 year old unranked former flyweight making his debut at 140 and Danny didn't want to then it is not inconceivable that Danny could refuse Al and fight someone different because at this point in his career Danny is a big enough name to exert that type of control.
And that goes for all the dudes that Haymon manages that are legit stars in the sport.
That is my only point in this whole conversation.
I know Shannon is trying to troll his way to a world title fight but I really do want to see him get the shot against Wlad.
It would at least be interesting which a Wlad fight hasn't been for far too long.
i have no interesting in seeing briggs fight anymore..as much as i like briggs...dude is rollin the dice continuing to fight and i dont want to see a mago like situation happen to him
This is true...but my point is why would he when $700k doesnt come around that often for these types of fights? I am not arguing that Danny cant refuse...I am saying its easy for us to say that sitting where we are. If you check my posts back when this fight was announced I said that his team was hurting him from a future boxing/business standpoint....however....its really hard to turn that type of paycheck down UNLESS he already had a signed contract to face Floyd or Manny. then he could throw that $700k opportunity in the bushes in lieu of one paying him 3-5 x that much.
his camp told him
put a kibosh on that shyt. you dont want 140 problems. 
many may not agree with me, but there are very few fighters who cant make weight unless they purposely are fighting at a weight they shouldnt be at in the first place. the rest is just lazy nikkas.
one thing about him though is, he always appears to be in good shape. but it is highly improbably that Shannon will receive anything less than a beating from Wlad that will leave him suspended between the physical and spiritual realms
last time he fought a Klitchko this was the end result...
his camp told him
many may not agree with me, but there are very few fighters who cant make weight unless they purposely are fighting at a weight they shouldnt be at in the first place. the rest is just lazy nikkas.
right omar can most certainly make 135..his fighting doesnt reflect being weight drained...140 with his non existent defense..he'll have more physical problems than dealing with this hands lol
his camp told him
many may not agree with me, but there are very few fighters who cant make weight unless they purposely are fighting at a weight they shouldnt be at in the first place. the rest is just lazy nikkas.
I agree
Black_Jesus
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Man you can say whatever you want to say, but what you're suggesting, that the lineal champ at 140 has no clout and has no say on who he defends his title against is just plain dumb.. If Showtime is signing off on Swift dragging a lightweight up two divisions, then Showtime will sign off and pay Swift for anybody he decides to fight; therefore, like I said, Swift has and had plenty of options to chose from... He wouldn't be risking much by fighting a higher caliber opponent than Salka in a non title fight where it could at least be somewhat competitive.. I wont even go as far as to say he did or didn't want to fight Salka, but lets no be so naive to think he has no choice or say in the matter while holding two belts at 140yeah. u illiterate.
Lets say for instance as you believe that Danny told his team and Showtime "get me Rod Salka!"
his team has to be cool with it and sign off on it.
Showtime has to be cool with it and sign off on it.
just those things alone tell you its not all on Danny.
what I am saying is, I doubt he even heard of Salka. I doubt it was his suggestion. When they approached him about it.....he was probably like OK....whatever. Even if he said, "fukk naw, I aint fighting this bum" then you are going against your team and your network. You are possibly risking flushing $700k down the toilet. For what? To please nikkas like you who dont give a fukk about him anyway?
Danny is not in the position to be bucking against his team. There's levels to this and the only guy that is in position to turn down fights is Floyd. Dont get me wrong, Algeri is a good fighter, but he is fresh outta doing ballroom fights. He is a worthy opponent. Not saying he isnt. He is however not the biggest name Manny could be fighting. That is what this is all about. You want some bigger name fights right? Well, Manny aint in the position to say shyt to Bob....about NOTHING. Especially with his tax troubles. Manny aint even that type of dude anyway. If Bob tells him to fight King Kong, he will do it. These guys just dont go around telling promoters and matchmakers what they want to do. That is not their job.
I'm just so
at nikkas just arguing so hard against this shyt. Like nikkas is on his payroll and have to defend him no matter what.
first off, belts mean shyt really. dont think Haymon with his influence cant arrange to get those belts from Swift and around the waist of another fighter. its a dirty political game. Haymon can manufacture champs. Haymon got Berto that WBC belt. Haymon got Forrest his WBC belt. He is a powerful man. why go against him when things are working IN YOUR FAVOR.
I am not saying he has no clout. He can stand up and say I fighting no damn body. Why would he do that though?
Look at it this way.....suppose he said...I aint gonna fight Salka. then they say...well give us an opponent you want. then he has to throw out names for his team to make offers for. he may even have to make personal calls himself.
why go through all that when you can just look at a schedule, see who you are fighting, and get paid? we are only talking about one fight here. the guy has fought nothing but names and high caliber opponents for the past 3 years. ultimately, writers will ask Danny himself...why Salka....but again, he didnt pick this dude. he signed a fight for said amount. Showtime couldve changed the opponent and it wouldnt have made a difference....Danny still signed to fight. Showtime didnt change the opponent though...so why bash that man for getting a check?
I had to sit down at the county for six weeks................Im back!!!!The chiraq streets took him
I told yall he was missin bout 2 weeks ago
