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[Black_Jesus]

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[surv2syn]

I'll add to it that Sugar Shane threw his fight against Floyd too...Shane damn near knocked Floyd out in the second round but then took his foot off the gas and just allowed Floyd to win a decision.

blind ass nikka. shane caught him with a good shot but Floyd was hurt much worse by Corley. look at the both shots again. Floyd persisted to give Shane one of the worst beatings of his life.

 

[King P]

LMAO @ Bradley throwing the fight. How many times are we gonna accuse nikkas of throwing fights

Nah, fukk outta here with that shyt

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

but you guys said its not going to do 1 mil buys. if it didnt mean nothing then it dont now. the exciting fight with Prov didnt prove nothing except Bradley nearly losing his title. you are making excuses. Pac didnt get the win and wasnt interested in avenging it immediately. now thats all there is to the story. avenge the loss immediately and we may have had Floyd vs Pac by now.[DOUBLEPOST=1397571527][/DOUBLEPOST]

ok, you nikkas making no sense now. mitchell lost to tszyu. by retirement at that. how is that the same thing? Bradley earned the rematch by getting the win the first time. not to mention there was a rematch clause. so Bradley was undeserving even though he was undefeated????

Mitchell had a knee injury going into the fight, but couldn't pull out. They had a rough ass competitive fight where he injured his knee again which caused him to quit. Dude felt he really didn't lose and that he didn't fight dude at his best. They both went on to notch more victories. Shramba didn't bytch an moan all day about shyt. He worked his way up to be a top contender in order to get the rematch.

Bradley fought Provo and Marquez right after Manny and rebuilt up his brand, thus making the rematch with Manny more warranted since so many people "thought he improved"

Same type of shyt, but different 1st fight scenarios.

both dudes who lost the first fight had to rebuild their brands

 

[Jello Biafra]

but you guys said its not going to do 1 mil buys. if it didnt mean nothing then it dont now. the exciting fight with Prov didnt prove nothing except Bradley nearly losing his title. you are making excuses. Pac didnt get the win and wasnt interested in avenging it immediately. now thats all there is to the story. avenge the loss immediately and we may have had Floyd vs Pac by now.[DOUBLEPOST=1397571527][/DOUBLEPOST]

ok, you nikkas making no sense now. mitchell lost to tszyu. by retirement at that. how is that the same thing? Bradley earned the rematch by getting the win the first time. not to mention there was a rematch clause. so Bradley was undeserving even though he was undefeated????

Look I hate Tim Bradley and think he is supremely overrated by by the time he beat Provodnikov and JMM he was considered by the public at large as a top 3 P$P fighter and a "new superstar" in the sport. None of that could be said back in 2012 after the Many robbery where people gave Bradley no respect to the point it was making Timmy cry like a bytch every day.
In simple terms: 2012 Tim Bradley was a nobody...2014 Tim Bradley was considered a star. So having the rematch now was seen as a better business movie. Why are you acting like you don't understand this?[DOUBLEPOST=1397572294][/DOUBLEPOST]

blind ass nikka. shane caught him with a good shot but Floyd was hurt much worse by Corley. look at the both shots again. Floyd persisted to give Shane one of the worst beatings of his life.

So on top of not understanding that Tim Bradley's stock in the sport rose between 2012 and now you also have major difficulty recognizing sarcasm.[DOUBLEPOST=1397572414][/DOUBLEPOST]

Did @Skip b hack your account?



3 consecutive posts all with responses and written like Skip? ARE you Skip?

I have been sitting here reading dude's posts and thinking the exact same thing.

 

[surv2syn]

so I am a liar because I dont let him get away with shyt like yall nikkas? ok. I do the same thing with Floyd. if he fights Canelo again before Canelo does something of significance then I will be on his ass. I am not even tripping off this last fight. I am asking why does it need to be a JMM 5 or a Bradley 3 and how does that build legacy?[DOUBLEPOST=1397572821][/DOUBLEPOST]

Mitchell had a knee injury going into the fight, but couldn't pull out. They had a rough ass competitive fight where he injured his knee again which caused him to quit. Dude felt he really didn't lose and that he didn't fight dude at his best. They both went on to notch more victories. Shramba didn't bytch an moan all day about shyt. He worked his way up to be a top contender in order to get the rematch.

Bradley fought Provo and Marquez right after Manny and rebuilt up his brand, thus making the rematch with Manny more warranted since so many people "thought he improved"

Same type of shyt, but different 1st fight scenarios.

both dudes who lost the first fight had to rebuild their brands

Sharmba was crying. Bradley still got the W. dont see how its the same. Bradley really went life and death with an ESPN fighter. not rebuilding brand there, though he did increase his visibility slightly. nobody wants to see him still, it was more Prov that made the fight.

but I guess you need to continue winning to prove you need a rematch against a guy who declined to exercise a clause in a fight you already have a W in.

I'll bet you this...if Tim wouldve known he wasnt gonna get that return match immediately....he wouldve re-thought the whole contract. in fact, he wanted out. they only got him to do this fight so he wouldnt leave TR immediately....leaving them with no options.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Link, I'll wait

24/7 Bradley vs. Marquez: Episode 1 - Full Episode (HBO Boxing) - YouTube

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[surv2syn]

2012 Tim Bradley was a nobody...2014 Tim Bradley was considered a star. So having the rematch now was seen as a better business movie. Why are you acting like you don't understand this?

he was an unknown after getting W over Pac.....

stopped reading right there.



everyone was expecting the rematch but Pac wanted no parts of it at the time. couldnt afford 2 straight losses. he just thought he was gonna get another win over JMM and move on to Floyd.
then that shyt backfired on him and TR.

 

[Jello Biafra]

TFighting Prov would answer all the questions about Manny, Prov beat Timmy already and JMM has ducked him, beat Prov and then he can call out a Mayweather.......

I wish people would stop with this "If Manny beats Fighter A he will have proven he deserves a fight with Floyd" bullshyt.
He is Manny fukking Pacquiao...his HOF career is all the proof he needs for a Floyd fight and it is the same way for Floyd.
These two guys are the two biggest names in the sport currently and they should fight for the betterment of boxing and for the fans. The fukking fight should have happened already to be honest. I don't care who is to blame or who any of the other negotiating bullshyt that gets talked about ad nauseum here either. If you think that Manny Pacquiao has to beat anyone to be deserving of a fight with Floyd Mayweather then you are a delusional.

 

[surv2syn]

Provodnikov is right there with Ortiz, Guerrero,Maidana. It's just that he never got dominated like them dudes have in their losses.

Bradley is clearly better than them 4 nikkas although not by much. I look at Danny Garcia the same way. 2 promising B+ fighters in their prime.

I agree, thats why I dont think Bradley was any more valuable after the Prov win...only because people want to see blood n guts. he was still the same guy. so getting your brains beat out warrants a rematch when before Manny declined to exercise his option?

@Newzz I am surprised at you because your boy was in the same boat. he exercised his clause against Maidana didnt he? yet Manny gets a pass for not exercising his...because Bradley was a nobody and Pac had nothing to prove.

nowwwwwww Bradley is worthy because his lil plan to beat JMM failed and he got KTFO.

 

[Newzz]

so I am a liar because I dont let him get away with shyt like yall nikkas? ok. I do the same thing with Floyd. if he fights Canelo again before Canelo does something of significance then I will be on his ass. I am not even tripping off this last fight. I am asking why does it need to be a JMM 5 or a Bradley 3 and how does that build legacy?[DOUBLEPOST=1397572821][/DOUBLEPOST]

Sharmba was crying. Bradley still got the W. dont see how its the same. Bradley really went life and death with an ESPN fighter. not rebuilding brand there, though he did increase his visibility slightly. nobody wants to see him still, it was more Prov that made the fight.

but I guess you need to continue winning to prove you need a rematch against a guy who declined to exercise a clause in a fight you already have a W in.

I'll bet you this...if Tim wouldve known he wasnt gonna get that return match immediately....he wouldve re-thought the whole contract. in fact, he wanted out. they only got him to do this fight so he wouldnt leave TR immediately....leaving them with no options.

So are gonna continue forgetting that Floyd said this only 3 months and 8 days ago?

BT: Can you explain why, at one point, you took the time to call him personally to try and make the fight, but now, you've made it clear that you won't be fighting him as long as Arum is still in the picture?

FM: Pacquiao had his opportunity. He had his chance. When he had his opportunity and he had his chance, I guess he was tooting his own horn and he felt like he was on the same level as me. It's obvious he felt like he was on the same level as me status-wise because he wouldn't have asked for 50/50. So now, two losses later and he's got a problem...the IRS. They don't play. I don't really personally know his business and I could care less about his business. I'm just speaking from what I hear, that he got a problem with the IRS, both here and in his country. So when I offered you $40 million, you turned it down. I offered Manny Pacquiao $40 million and he said he wanted 50/50. So now, you took two back-to-back losses, and from what I hear, I don't know for a fact, but from what I hear, you got tax problems and now you're begging to get the fight. You could care less if you win; all you want to do is fight Floyd Mayweather to clean up a tax bill basically. He's got a $68 million tax problem now. He couldn't put ten fights together and make $68 million, so now, who is he chasing?

He don't need to be focused on Floyd Mayweather. He need to be focused on that tax business. I don't knock him for doing it, but all the cards are in my hand. It's not about working harder; it's about working smarter. To become pound-for-pound, I proved myself. To be 45 and 0, I proved myself. To dominate for 17 years, I proved myself. I don't have nothing else to prove to nobody else. I can retire; he can't. I just look at the situation like this, worst comes to worst, I'm still going to get at least $200 million for the rest of my contract. Let's talk facts! If he's on the same level as me, let's see his pay-per-view numbers. If he's on the same level as me, let's see his last check. They let my $41.5 million check leak. So now, let me see his check from his last fight leak. Pacquiao got IRS problems. Pacquiao got pay-per-view number problems. Pacquiao's boss name is Rob Arum. Pacquiao owes $68 million in taxes. Pacquiao's got 5 losses. He still got Timothy Bradley problems and Marquez problems.

So this guy's got all these problems and he wants Floyd Mayweather to solve them for him, huh? He's got 68 million problems and he wants me to solve them. First he didn't need me; now he needs me. He's willing to do anything now after his career done took a major setback. First he wanted 50/50; now he's like, "Floyd, give me anything. Throw an old, desperate dog a bone." This man got 68 million problems. Now he wants Floyd Mayweather to solve his problems when he was just saying he's on the same level as me. He basically told me, "fukk you! I don't need you. I don't need your $40 million. I'm getting the same type of money you getting." So if you getting the same type of money I'm getting, you don't need me. If you doing the same type of pay-per-view numbers I'm doing, you don't need me. I want to see the pay-per-view numbers. As a matter of fact, ever since he's been fighting on pay-per-view, I want to see his residual checks; the money that comes in on the backend, I want to see those checks. I don't know what their relationship is, but I'm not doing business with Rob Arum.

FLOYD MAYWEATHER ON MANNY PACQUIAO: "HE'S GOT 68 MILLION PROBLEMS AND HE WANTS ME TO SOLVE THEM"|| FIGHTHYPE.COM

Pac HAS to fight them again in order for Floyd to be backed into a corner and accept a fight with him at this point.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

so I am a liar because I dont let him get away with shyt like yall nikkas? ok. I do the same thing with Floyd. if he fights Canelo again before Canelo does something of significance then I will be on his ass. I am not even tripping off this last fight. I am asking why does it need to be a JMM 5 or a Bradley 3 and how does that build legacy?[DOUBLEPOST=1397572821][/DOUBLEPOST]

Sharmba was crying. Bradley still got the W. dont see how its the same. Bradley really went life and death with an ESPN fighter. not rebuilding brand there, though he did increase his visibility slightly. nobody wants to see him still, it was more Prov that made the fight.

but I guess you need to continue winning to prove you need a rematch against a guy who declined to exercise a clause in a fight you already have a W in.

I'll bet you this...if Tim wouldve known he wasnt gonna get that return match immediately....he wouldve re-thought the whole contract. in fact, he wanted out. they only got him to do this fight so he wouldnt leave TR immediately....leaving them with no options.

I'll never forget Zab saying there's no crying in boxing.....

then he goes on to lose to Kosta even worse with 2 good knees and goes on to have a temper tantrum where Tyson out of all people has to calm him down.

The point I made was that they both had to rebuild themselves. Neither looked good in their first fight. You trying to spin this shyt into something else.

 

[Jello Biafra]

he was an unknown after getting W over Pac.....

stopped reading right there.



everyone was expecting the rematch but Pac wanted no parts of it at the time. couldnt afford 2 straight losses. he just thought he was gonna get another win over JMM and move on to Floyd.
then that shyt backfired on him and TR.

Nobody thought Bradley won that first fight and nobody wanted a rematch because nobody thought Pacquiao had anything to prove because he easily beat Bradley. Nobody cared about Tim Bradley as a boxer after that gift win. So an immediate rematch would not have benefited anyone. You are being really obtuse on this point, man.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I agree, thats why I dont think Bradley was any more valuable after the Prov win...only because people want to see blood n guts. he was still the same guy. so getting your brains beat out warrants a rematch when before Manny declined to exercise his option?

@Newzz I am surprised at you because your boy was in the same boat. he exercised his clause against Maidana didnt he? yet Manny gets a pass for not exercising his...because Bradley was a nobody and Pac had nothing to prove.

nowwwwwww Bradley is worthy because his lil plan to beat JMM failed and he got KTFO.

The thing is Bradley still went on to beat JMM clearly. So even if you discredit the Prov win, he still beat the guy who gives Manny his toughest fights.

Now go ahead and move the goal post again.

 

[Newzz]

I agree, thats why I dont think Bradley was any more valuable after the Prov win...only because people want to see blood n guts. he was still the same guy. so getting your brains beat out warrants a rematch when before Manny declined to exercise his option?

@Newzz I am surprised at you because your boy was in the same boat. he exercised his clause against Maidana didnt he? yet Manny gets a pass for not exercising his...because Bradley was a nobody and Pac had nothing to prove.

nowwwwwww Bradley is worthy because his lil plan to beat JMM failed and he got KTFO.

Manny beat Bradley easily in their 1st fight.....Broner got beat up and wanted to redeem himself.


Different boats.


Manny, at that time didnt need to rematch Bradley, because nobody thought he lost but Mr. Smoke Weed After he beat JMM (after JMM knocked out Pac) THEN he decided that it would be worth it to fight Bradley again.....along with the fact that Floyd kept talking about Pac needed to avenge his "Bradley and Marquez problems".