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[surv2syn]

I was wrong about the KO i'm aware. Going to try and watch this fight tonight because you say he out willed him, but he won a wide UD. I don't understand why most of The Ring doesn't like Bradley but I think he's a pretty entertaining boxer and he's got some serious skills.

See, thats where people get it twisted.....just because a fighter wins by a wide margin on the cards doesnt mean it was a domination or that the fight wasnt competitive. I havent seen the fight since it aired so my memory may be flawed but I remember it being a competitive fight with close rounds but Bradley doing enough to swing the rounds in his favor. **** fight was different. Bradley clearly won every round except the ones he was KD in. With Peterson, Bradley outworked him but Peterson did work to the body. if someone wouldve chose the body work over the volume of Bradley the decision wouldnt have been as wide. I am not arguing with it.

sn: this is why I say Alexander beat Matthysse and it really wasnt controversial. the rounds Alexander won, he really didnt do shyt, but did more than Matthysse. the rounds Matthysse won, he won BIG. the problem is....Alexander won maybe 6 uneventful rounds just by landing a couple extra punches but Matthysse was giving him the work in the other 4 rounds. the name of the game is how many rounds you win. you could score 11 rounds even and the 12th round for fighter A. Fighter A wins the fight. SRL figured out a way to make that work in his favor, stealing 30 secs of the round from Hagler in rounds that were close or Hagler was winning.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

See, thats where people get it twisted.....just because a fighter wins by a wide margin on the cards doesnt mean it was a domination or that the fight wasnt competitive. I havent seen the fight since it aired so my memory may be flawed but I remember it being a competitive fight with close rounds but Bradley doing enough to swing the rounds in his favor. **** fight was different. Bradley clearly won every round except the ones he was KD in. With Peterson, Bradley outworked him but Peterson did work to the body. if someone wouldve chose the body work over the volume of Bradley the decision wouldnt have been as wide. I am not arguing with it.

sn: this is why I say Alexander beat Matthysse and it really wasnt controversial. the rounds Alexander won, he really didnt do shyt, but did more than Matthysse. the rounds Matthysse won, he won BIG. the problem is....Alexander won maybe 6 uneventful rounds just by landing a couple extra punches but Matthysse was giving him the work in the other 4 rounds. the name of the game is how many rounds you win. you could score 11 rounds even and the 12th round for fighter A. Fighter A wins the fight but doesnt mean the shyt wasnt close as fukk.

Thats why I'm going to re-watch the fight homie. Bradley's style is very entertaining to me and I enjoy his skill set and think he has the second best resume among active fighters.

 

[surv2syn]

There is some funny math going on here

Lets round up and say the fight did 500k at 70 a pop that comes out to 35 mill, 10 % to cable distributors, 45% to the promoter and 45% to the system provider that equals out to

3.5 for cable distribution

15,750,00 for the system provider

15,750,000 to the promoter

How can TR have paid Manny 18 million?

Manny aint get paid no damn $18 mil or there wouldve had to been a lot of slack taken from somewhere else. He was guaranteed that amount but even with all the other revenue streams, with the fight selling 500K...??? like Marlo said....."dont seem possible". if they paid Manny $18, then that would mean Rios, the undercard fighters, nor TR got paid. this is theoretical of course. If everybody got paid, somebody got shorted. Bob may have worked out an additional deal with the venue or merchandising. I got the feeling that somewhere, this deal got finagled.

 

[surv2syn]

Thats why I'm going to re-watch the fight homie. Bradley's style is very entertaining to me and I enjoy his skill set and think he has the second best resume among active fighters.

he is entertaining to me as well. I always thought he was, but some here think he is boring for the most part. his problem is...he has been known to make ugly fights. if he cant outbox a guy, then he makes it into a mauling affair. his resume is so-so if you scrutinize the way the fights played out and who he fought. for this day and age its , but I see his resume as mostly a mirage.

 

[surv2syn]

full podcast from last night with Julian Ramirez, a 30 minute Kendall **** interview, Hank Lundy and Karim Mayfield talk trash to each other and more

**** needs to sit down somewhere and stfu.

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

Manny aint get paid no damn $18 mil or there wouldve had to been a lot of slack taken from somewhere else. He was guaranteed that amount but even with all the other revenue streams, with the fight selling 500K...??? like Marlo said....."dont seem possible". if they paid Manny $18, then that would mean Rios, the undercard fighters, nor TR got paid. this is theoretical of course. If everybody got paid, somebody got shorted. Bob may have worked out an additional deal with the venue or merchandising. I got the feeling that somewhere, this deal got finagled.

Thats why I said there was something funny going on with the numbers at Top Rank. They say that Manny's getting these guarantees and the paper work shows this and the US and Phillipine government believe it and are taxing him based off those guarantees when hes more than likely making a significant amount less. Hell, I wouldnt be shocked if he believes his taxes are straight and that why he seem's so suprised by all this. Manny gonna end up catching time why Arum and Koncz get away scot free because Manny is way too trusting and seemingly gullible. Its a fukking shame

 

[Absolut]

anyone hear anything about broner not making weight and coming in poorly conditioned? theres been a guy going around town all week betting large bets on maidana, with zero regard to the what the line is. no matter what we drop it to, hes betting maidana

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Manny aint get paid no damn $18 mil or there wouldve had to been a lot of slack taken from somewhere else. He was guaranteed that amount but even with all the other revenue streams, with the fight selling 500K...??? like Marlo said....."dont seem possible". if they paid Manny $18, then that would mean Rios, the undercard fighters, nor TR got paid. this is theoretical of course. If everybody got paid, somebody got shorted. Bob may have worked out an additional deal with the venue or merchandising. I got the feeling that somewhere, this deal got finagled.

Manny may not have seen all $18 mil - from Arum, but a boxing match has to be sanctioned and the sanctioning bodies releases the purse amounts - fighter bonuses, PPV bonus, etc. aren't listed.

Manny's purse was $18 million and Rios' was $4 million. Every news organization as far as I know reported the same numbers.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mma/news/20131122/manny-pacquiao-brandon-rios-preview/

However, regarding Manny...he buys tickets for all his friends and family and TR takes that directly out of his paycheck (rumored to be several hundred thousand each fight)...plus the rumors that he takes advances from TR.

I don't have any hard numbers, but I do know that Dan Rafael talked a lot about the fact TR was getting A LOT of money from the casino and endorsements in Asia for the fight. In this case my bet is that the number of PPV buys had more to do with Manny's extra income over the $18 million, I don't think the fight was ever in jeopardy of losing money because of the Chinese money secured by having Manny and Shiming.

 

[firemanBk]

anyone hear anything about broner not making weight and coming in poorly conditioned? theres been a guy going around town all week betting large bets on maidana, with zero regard to the what the line is. no matter what we drop it to, hes betting maidana

Think I'm gonna put some Coli Cash on Maidana for the fukk of it. I still think Broner's gonna win though.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

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Passed away today: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/i...ui-former-lightweight-titleholder-dies-age-40

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Thats why I'm going to re-watch the fight homie. Bradley's style is very entertaining to me and I enjoy his skill set and think he has the second best resume among active fighters.

Just finished re-watching this....Bradley beat the shyt out of Peterson 11-1 with a KD. Peterson did good body work in round 4 and half of round 10. @synistr how is that out willing my breh?

 

[surv2syn]

Just finished re-watching this....Bradley beat the shyt out of Peterson 11-1 with a KD. Peterson did good body work in round 4 and half of round 10. @synistr how is that out willing my breh?

like I said....havent seen the fight since it aired but I do remember Peterson putting down some body work and when he did, I dont remember it being easy for Bradley. still...most of the fighters that Bradley fought that were close to their primes, he still out willed them. the only fighters I can remember him really out-skilling is a past it JMM, a past it Nate Cambell, Abregu, etc. He had to use skill and will to be Prov. the only fighter Bradley fought in his prime that was more skilled than him was Alexander and he mauled the shyt outta him and made an ugly fight. the other was Pac....and that was disputed decision.

 

[surv2syn]

Manny may not have seen all $18 mil - from Arum, but a boxing match has to be sanctioned and the sanctioning bodies releases the purse amounts - fighter bonuses, PPV bonus, etc. aren't listed.

Manny's purse was $18 million and Rios' was $4 million. Every news organization as far as I know reported the same numbers.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mma/news/20131122/manny-pacquiao-brandon-rios-preview/

However, regarding Manny...he buys tickets for all his friends and family and TR takes that directly out of his paycheck (rumored to be several hundred thousand each fight)...plus the rumors that he takes advances from TR.

I don't have any hard numbers, but I do know that Dan Rafael talked a lot about the fact TR was getting A LOT of money from the casino and endorsements in Asia for the fight. In this case my bet is that the number of PPV buys had more to do with Manny's extra income over the $18 million, I don't think the fight was ever in jeopardy of losing money because of the Chinese money secured by having Manny and Shiming.

those purses were announced BEFORE the fight. those were the guarantees. how do you guarantee a fight not knowing what the outcome of revenue stream will be? well....you can estimate and thats how you come up with it. but, you must have some measures and deals in place in the event of shortcomings. the casino endorsements and international rights all play a factor. the fight did what they predicted (or so they said) but I am sure they hoped for a little bit better. If the total revenue stream falls short of the predicted goals....someone has to take that hit. Thats why I am saying Arum and TR looked like they were willing to sacrifice more than what they normally would in terms of income but cutting corners and expenses elsewhere. We dont know what the "other sources" brought in but the budgetary report still looks like it may have been very tight. I think we will hear more about this fight and what it really did financially come back up at a later time. its like @InvictusAeternusEternus said....if we are to take those reports for face value, then why are they coming back to fight at the MGM Grand?

 

[surv2syn]

Thats why I said there was something funny going on with the numbers at Top Rank. They say that Manny's getting these guarantees and the paper work shows this and the US and Phillipine government believe it and are taxing him based off those guarantees when hes more than likely making a significant amount less. Hell, I wouldnt be shocked if he believes his taxes are straight and that why he seem's so suprised by all this. Manny gonna end up catching time why Arum and Koncz get away scot free because Manny is way too trusting and seemingly gullible. Its a fukking shame

this is an underrated yet crucial statement.

 

[Scientific Playa]

anyone hear anything about broner not making weight and coming in poorly conditioned? theres been a guy going around town all week betting large bets on maidana, with zero regard to the what the line is. no matter what we drop it to, hes betting maidana

news to me ..... he trained at high altitude in Colorado

http://www.visitcos.com/colorado-springs/travel/high-altitude-tips



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...marcos-maidana-to-build-superstar-credentials
Adrien Broner Must Dominate Marcos Maidana to Build Superstar Credentials
Bleacher Report ‎- 9 hours ago
Adrien Broner already walks, talks and acts like boxing royalty, but does the welterweight really possess superstar credentials?

Adrien Broner: 'Real, straight up and uncut'
by Lem Satterfield
Dec 12th, 2013




SAN ANTONIO -- WBA welterweight titleholder Adrien "The Problem" Broner waded through a sea of onlookers on Wednesday, many of whom had, moments earlier, craned their necks to see the undefeated fighter throwing punches at an imaginary opponent while dancing around a constructed ring at Market Square.

Broner, a 24-year-old boxer-puncher from Cincinnati, Ohio, alternately stopped to shake a hand or pose for a photo before entertaining the mob of reporters and television camera personnel with answers that ranged from funny to serious in nature.

Broner was, no doubt, comfortable in the chaos that has come with the success of being a talented, outspoken, and often controversial three-division title winner.

There is, however, another side of Broner (27-0, 22 knockouts), who will make the first defense of his 147-pound belt on Saturday night against hard-hitting Argentine Marcos "Chino" Maidana (34-3, 31 KOs) on Showtime from The Alamodome.

Broner offered a glimpse of that other side this past Saturday on the revealing first of two episodes of Showtime's All-Access: Broner vs Maidana, where he discussed engaging in backyard boxing bouts, many of which were against his twin brother Andre, his role as a father and brief stint in jail for armed robbery.

Click here for the All-Access video.

Broner said that he is generally happy with his portrayal on the All-Access, saying of Showtime, "They did what they had to do.

"I gave it to them real, straight up, and uncut," said Broner. "Outsiders, they're just looking at it from the outside in, and they probably judge me a different way. But if you really get to meet Adrien Broner, I'm a different guy."


Broner, for example, flew more than 50 family members to his training facility in Colorado Springs for Thanksgiving.


"I'm ready, man, and I'm focused," said Broner. "I just wanted to have a great time for Thanksgiving and to see my family and then get right back to work."

Maidana, 30, has scored three straight stoppage wins, including those over knockouts of Jesus Soto Karass and Josesito Lopez.

"I've got to stay focused. I'm not going to lie, this is the biggest fight of my career," said Broner. "He's going to try to come and fight me, and he's going to try to break my neck."

Broner is coming off a split-decision victory over Paulie "The Magic Man" Malignaggi, which earned him his current belt in his 147-pound debut.

Although Broner failed to earn his seventh straight stoppage win against Malignaggi, he did manage to end the then 32-year-old fighter's five-bout winning streak after rising two weight classes from lightweight.

In addition, Broner's win over Malignaggi made him a three-division titlewinner, having earned the WBO's junior lightweight belt by third-round knockout over Vicente Martin Rodriguez in November of 2011, and the WBC's lightweight title following an eighth-round stoppage of Antonio DeMarco in November of last year.

Broner's triumph over Malignaggi preceded Malignaggi's unanimous decision rout of two-division titlewinner Zab Judah this past Saturday.

"I'm the same fighter, and styles make fights, but Paulie's a helluva fighter. If you go in there and you're not ready to fight Paulie, then he will beat you. That showed last Saturday," said Broner.

"Still, to this day, they still don't give me my credit, even though Paulie beat the s__t out of Zab Judah. Easy. After me and Paulie Malignaggi fought, they felt like I beat a nobody, but that's okay. When you see what I do to Chino Maidana on Saturday night, then, I guess that he'll be a nobody, too."





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