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I used to think Lara had next...but Trout is an excellent fighter. Good boxer, big, strong JMW. I think he fights smarter. Lara really has to pull out some boxing skills to beat Trout IMO. Trout's problem is....he doesnt put or keep his foot on the gas....he cruises. If he boxes and is more authoritative....he should take this. He gotta do more than what he did against Canelo.

Cant honestly call Vanes-Andrade. Will just watch with enthusiasm.

Vic a 10:1 dog against Donaire :what: 3:1 or 4:1 is one thing...but 10:1 is utter disrespect to a fighter like Vic. At the same time, its pretty much saying Vic is gonna get robbed if this goes to the cards.
 

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:dead: pretty sure this is the guy people were protesting for in the orange revolution too

they're all the same



“The authorities have no grounds to keep Klitschko out of the election,” his spokeswoman said. “Vitali Klitschko will run for president regardless of any amendments to the law.”

UDAR, a pro-western liberal group founded in 2006, also said passage of the law was marred by procedural violations but did not give details.

Yanukovich's main political rival, former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko, is serving a seven-year jail sentence for abuse of office. Western powers are seeking her release.

Polls show the 42-year-old reigning WBC heavyweight champion would be the strongest challenger to Yanukovich or a candidate backed by Yanukovich in the 2015 election if he made it onto the ballot.

:whew: about to be a shootout/poisoning/first presidential KO up in here
 
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I used to think Lara had next...but Trout is an excellent fighter. Good boxer, big, strong JMW. I think he fights smarter. Lara really has to pull out some boxing skills to beat Trout IMO. Trout's problem is....he doesnt put or keep his foot on the gas....he cruises. If he boxes and is more authoritative....he should take this. He gotta do more than what he did against Canelo.

Cant honestly call Vanes-Andrade. Will just watch with enthusiasm.

Vic a 10:1 dog against Donaire :what: 3:1 or 4:1 is one thing...but 10:1 is utter disrespect to a fighter like Vic. At the same time, its pretty much saying Vic is gonna get robbed if this goes to the cards.

vic is past it but not done..10:1 is too much..i agree
 

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I used to think Lara had next...but Trout is an excellent fighter. Good boxer, big, strong JMW. I think he fights smarter. Lara really has to pull out some boxing skills to beat Trout IMO. Trout's problem is....he doesnt put or keep his foot on the gas....he cruises. If he boxes and is more authoritative....he should take this. He gotta do more than what he did against Canelo.

Cant honestly call Vanes-Andrade. Will just watch with enthusiasm.

Vic a 10:1 dog against Donaire :what: 3:1 or 4:1 is one thing...but 10:1 is utter disrespect to a fighter like Vic. At the same time, its pretty much saying Vic is gonna get robbed if this goes to the cards.

Agree with this.

I think Vic is such an underdog because his power isn't a big factor like it use to be at the lower weights. Even though both are fighting at their highest weights, it will prolly effect Vic more so than Donaire. But yea 10-1 is still crazy, I could see and understand 6-1 or something like that.
 

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http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/181823-wbc-names-mandatory-challenges-for-its-titleholders

The World Boxing Council’s convention took place over the past week in Bangkok, Thailand; the Mexico City-based sanctioning organization’s 51st such event. One of the key topics of conversation included working out the various champion mandatories going forward.

Some of the big questions surrounded Vitali Klitschko, the organization’s incumbent heavyweight champion, Floyd Mayweather, who holds WBC titles at both junior middleweight and welterweight, and also Adrien Broner who is the WBC’s current lightweight titleholder although he is now fighting at welterweight.

Heavyweight - While all the other divisions were discussed and worked out the day before, the committee waited for both Vitali Klitschko and the WBC’s No. 1 heavyweight contender Bermane Stiverne to both arrived to work out an agreement. Klitschko motioned that the he be allowed hold the title until Nov. 30 when he will issue a statement declaring his intentions. This was accepted by Stiverne’s promoter Camille Estephan, but things seldom run smoothly in boxing. Manuel Charr, the WBC’s No. 6 contender attended the convention and announced he had been in discussions with Don King, who had apparently announced that he would match Stiverne with Charr for a possible vacant or interim title. These allegations were denied by Estephan. Following and angry confrontation things were calmed down when Charr walked out of the hall. It is has been previously mentioned that Klitschko is hopeful of a March/April 2014 return.

Cruiserweight – Krzysztof Wlodarczyk will meet his mandatory challenger Giocobbe Fragomeni for the third time on the Dec. 6 in Chicago.

Light heavyweight - Adonis Stevenson looks to take care of his mandatory obligation on the Nov. 30 in Quebec City, Canada.

Super middleweight - Sakio Bika takes on Anthony Dirrell on Dec. 7 in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Middleweight - Sergio Martinez has been granted until Dec. 15 to say how he’s recuperating from injuries suffered in his April defence against Martin Murray. If Martinez is going to be on the sidelines for a great amount of time then mandatory challenger Marco Antonio Rubio will take on Domenico Spada for the interim title with the winner in line to face Martinez at the earliest possible date. [Editor’s note: It has been reported that Martinez’s advisor Sampson Lewkowicz has already made an offer to Rubio to face Martinez in South America if champion is not able to secure a big fight with Miguel Cotto for June 7.]

Junior middleweight - While Mayweather has no mandatory obligation at but he has been given until Dec. 15 to announce his intentions of either keeping his 154-pound title or his 147-pound crown.

Welterweight - Mayweather has no welterweight mandatory commitments. However he must vacate one of his titles. He will not be allowed to indefinitely hold both the 154- and 147-pound titles he currently holds.

Junior welterweight - Danny Garcia fulfilled his mandatory when he beat Lucas Matthysse back in September. However, representatives of both agreed in principle that Viktor Postol and Selcuk Aydin will meet in a final eliminator.

Lightweight - Broner has until Dec. 15 to decide if he will keep his lightweight title or stay at welterweight. The mandatory challenger is Mexican Daniel Estrada who would face Omar Figueroa if Broner vacates.

Super featherweight (junior lightweight) - Takashi Miura meets Dante Jardon in a voluntary defense on Dec. 31; the winner must face Devis Boschiero.

Featherweight - It was requested that Jhonny Gonzalez’s likely rematch with Abner Mares will be a mandatory defense; both Gonzalez promoter and Mares promoter have until Dec. 15 to broker a deal.

Super bantamweight (junior featherweight) - Leo Santa Cruz faces Cesar Seda on Dec. 14 in San Antonio in a voluntary defense. The current number No. 1 contender Hugo Fidel Cazares, a former junior flyweight and 115-pound champion, will meet unbeaten No. 2 contender Andres Gutierrez for the right to face Santa Cruz.

Bantamweight - Shinsuke Yamanaka fights this Sunday against Alberto Guevara. In turn, Stephane Jamoye will meet Julio Ceja with the winner to take on former WBC 115-pound champion Suriyan Sor Rungvisai in a final eliminator.

Super flyweight (junior bantamweight) - Srisaket Sor Rungvisai makes a voluntary defense on Nov. 15 against Hirofumi Mukai in Ubon Ratchathani, Thailand. The winner must face Carlos Cuadras.

Flyweight - Akira Yaegashi will face mandatory challenger Edgar Sosa on Dec. 6 in Tokyo, Japan.

Junior flyweight - Adrian Hernandez beat Atsushi Kakutani in a voluntary defense on Aug. 31. He must face the winner of Javier Mendoza and Yodmongkol Wor Saengthep. To decide the next mandatory Ganigan Lopez will fight Pedro Geuvara, the winner of which must then face Jonathan Taconing.

Strawweight - Xiong Zhao Zhong fights Omari Kimweri on Nov. 30 in Maguan, China. While Wanheng Menayothin meets Osvaldo Novoa to decide the next mandatory challenger.



In a good will gesture the WBC and many of his members donated $53,000 to Magomed Abdusalamov who’s tragically in a coma following last weekend’s fight with Mike Perez
 

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what am I missing where with Vanes/Andrade

no way Andrade should be a -250 favorite... or yes way? :patrice:
 

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So are the reports of Mayweather-Khan May 3 being final true say or typical rumor bs
 
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I interviewed Sergio Mora and it was pretty interesting what he had to say

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Sergio Mora’s boxing career to this point is that of a movie and the ending will reveal the legacy. Mora is trying to change things now as he heads into a November 16th bout against Milton Nunez in Citizen’s Bank Arena in Ontario, California on the undercard of Andre Ward vs. Edwin Rodriquez. Mora, who recently inked a contract with DiBella, is now looking to surprise more people with his underrated abilities in the middleweight division that seem to be running out of challengers for top fights.

It is a career that began in the 2000 Olympic trials finals when Mora faced Jermain Taylor who had 300 amateur fights to his 50, and though he suffered a loss, the margin was a close loss of five points. Mora went on to be an unpromoted fighter, fighting regionally in club shows before getting one of the biggest opportunities of his career, being on The Contender.

For those who do not remember The Contender aired on NBC and was hosted by Sylvester Stallone and made headlines for Najai Turpin’s suicide after a loss on the show. For those that remember the show, Mora was the one who won the competition even after being a 16-1 underdog to win it all when the show started. Mora remembers the exact number as it served as motivation through the show, yet even after his success Mora had yet to fight a ten round fight and began to receive offers for big fights.

The first big fight was a rematch of the 2000 Olympic Trials in Jermain Taylor who was being showcased by HBO at the time. “I took a lot of heat for declining that fight,” Mora said in a recent interview. Yet two years later, Mora earned the biggest win of his career by going down in weight to beat Vernon Forrest and win the WBC light middleweight championship. Once again, the odds makers had him as an underdog at 4 to 1 which, to be fair, is four times less than his status on winning The Contender.

The win was a gift and curse as Mora found himself enjoying the win too much and would lose to Vernon Forrest in the rematch. Forrest tragically passed away not long after and the rubber match would never be made. This set up a turning point in Mora’s career as after a Calvin Green win, he was thrust in the spotlight as he headlined a Golden Boy PPV on Mexican Independence day against Shane Mosley. For many observing the thought was that Mora was getting a push to the top, but the fight fell flat.

“I get a lot of heat for that fight against [Shane] Mosley when his next three fights against Floyd Mayweather, [Manny] Pacquiao and Canelo [Alvarez] were all uneventful,”Mora told me. Mosley who had never been overwhelmed or knocked out in his fights created a very tactical fight that Mora, a slick skillful fighter, found hard to create a crowd pleasing affair. Mora who now trains with Shane Mosley explains that they still give each other fits and that Mosley is just a tough to fight no matter who you are, but places the blame largely on Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant’s commentary.

“It was unprofessional and biased,” Mora argued. Mora believes the HBO commentary is a big part of what damaged his career as most ringside writers and fans at home had the fight within the 115-113 range if not a draw. HBO favored Mosley heavily based solely on coming forward. In contrast, the European broadcast favored Mora heavily making it one of the most bizarre cases of contrasts. The pure boxing fan who enjoys watching someone stay on the outside and score points while tactically fighting favored Mora, whereas the fans of those who create the action in the fight favored Mosley.



Mora left the Mosley fight with a draw and on top of that the fans labeled him a boring fighter since the last fight they saw on a PPV had two knockouts. Mora found himself going from the headliner of a PPV all the way to ESPN2 Friday Night Fights, which is normally where prospects or up and comers are featured. It was a subtle dig from the boxing world that the last fight did not live up to the hype and the fight against Brian Vera was another troublesome note.

Vera came out early, highly aggressive and the technical Mora appeared to look a tad bit befuddled by Vera’s punches that where not coming from places a technical fighter should throw. To listen to Mora explain the sequence of events leading up to the Vera fight it sounds like a storm brewing. “I didn’t train in camp with my long-time trainer and fought without him and with no game plan and it showed, “he said. Mora explained all this as he outlined what had occurred leading up to the fight. “Secondly, Vera wanted the fight at 162, fighting in his hometown of politically backwards Texas with 3 Texas judges. Then, I fought with used, soaking wet gloves from the semi-main event before me, making the gloves ineffective and sluggish, especially fighting a big, strong guy in a 16ft ring with lose ropes.” Mora still feels he won the fight, but felt that it was close.

The rematch on the other hand was a different story for Mora. He explained he trained with his long-time trainer as well as adding size to counteract Vera’s strength, he felt all but confident that a win was on the horizon yet it was the subtle things that Mora felt cost him. “I got new gloves for this fight, but I didn’t insist on neutral judges,” Mora explained. “I dominated that fight and was blatantly robbed….on top of this Ronny Shields and Vera even said so on camera.” Yet, without promotional leverage it was just viewed as another bad decision in Texas and the fact that not many watched the fight since it was broadcast on tape delay on Spanish only networks, added to lore that he had lost to Vera twice. “It was a travesty, “he insisted.

Yet after beating Gregorz Proksa on ESPN and signing with Lou DiBella, Mora believes that he has opportunities now. The November 16th fight for Mora is a chance for him to show off his speed, smarts and strategy. “You will see a slight change in A LOT of things especially smart aggression, “he said. This comes days after Abel Sanchez, trainer of Gennady Golovkin said, “Mora’s own mom wouldn’t go see him fight…he is that boring.” It seems as though Mora now realizes he is labeled and it is up to him and only him to break out of the mold to get a big fight and the one fight that he wants badly is one that hardly anyone seems interested in, Mr. Golovkin.

“I was offered [Golovkin] before he became a champion and a HBO sweetheart and declined. Too much risk, no reward. Now that he’s on top I will take the opportunity and expose the gorilla. Styles make fights. His style is basic,” Mora stated.

Sergio Mora will be in action November 16th bout against Milton Nunez in Citizen’s Bank Arena in Ontario, California on the undercard of Andre Ward vs. Edwin Rodriquez. For ticket information go to AXS.com or call 888-929-7849.
 
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