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Yuriorkis Gamboa Ready To Face Abner Mares in Cancun - Boxing News
This should be a great fight. Im favoring Gamboa
This should be a great fight. Im favoring Gamboa
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Why is Roy fine with holding a oversees tours these days huh
roy is doing the overseas thing is because he's done as a marketable figure of any sort in the US for boxing..especially after that godawful rematch with bhop...add to the fact he has tax troubles and those overseas promoters will still pay him somewhat decently to face their fighters on some main event shyt
I don't like mares in the least but Im picking him to beat the crap put of gamboa
Stop trying to move the goalpost and skew focus at that time when he was ducking those names was Roy having any PPV's; how marketable was he, what it is so hard to understand he would have made THEN career highs vs those names in big ppvs but he rather fight bums on Fox Sports and HBO
that's going to be one grand ol ass fight believe that..and Curtiz better have a plan..i mean a good Plan! lol
people over exaggerate this shyt. one was a cop and the other was a mailman. richard frazier was the cop from ny and didn't even try to give roy a fight. he just came there for a check. but tony the punching postman thortonwas actually a solid fighter and top 10 ranked. roy whipped his ass but if anyone get a chance to watch the fight he had with james toney, he stood his ground and gave james a good fight.
Richard Frazier actually was a very good amateur boxer. Everyone cant jump right out there and get the trainers and promoters when they turn pro and bills got to be paid. Do you know how many hellified Mexicans are doing construction work or knocking dents out of cars at the body shop and shyt? Yall take stuff too far. So Dawson got knocked out by an ex-pimp....yall act as if these guys cant fight.
Frazier may not have been championship contender caliber but Don King manipulated the ratings and RJJ wasnt about giving away no belts. Frazier made $350k for that fight when I doubt he ever made $20k in any other fight in his career. For that, I am happy for him that he got the opportunity. If some of yall computer techs and auto mechanics in this mofo were good enough you could make a payday like that, right?
He didnt come out of the Olympics with the hype like Hembrick (who Frazier KOed), Maynard, or Craig (who's still getting KOed) but he had just as good a career. Yet its a worse win for RJJ to beat him because he was a full time cop and part time sparring partner for B-Hop...rather than beat overhyped Olympians before they got exposed. Thats the difference a DKP or TR wouldve made in Roy's career.
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Then we'll just keep disagreeing breh
Roy would have prolly become only slightly bigger with a major promoter behind him, but you can only manufacture an opponent so far and sometimes that doesn't even work. Roy still became a superstar just not on some Tyson and Dela Hoya type shyt. Dude was like a notch below them which isn't a bad thing. Andre Ward right now would kill to be as popular as Roy was then. Roy just didn't have the big named dudes around him like that to fight. The Hopkins rematch was prolly the biggest fight for dude, but Bernard didn't want it so shyt never happened. Roy didn't have an Oscar payday floating around. Calzage didn't wanna come over back then either.
Roy pretty much cleared out the 175 division. Wasn't like Floyd or Manny clearing out 147 only leaving each other left to fight. Roy didn't have a bunch of popular names like that to fight. Yeah he missed a few guys during his career, but who hasn't. Comparing him to other boxers I think he did more than enough to become a atg maybe top 25 ever, but that's just my humble opinion.
Stop trying to move the goalpost and skew focus at that time when he was ducking those names was Roy having any PPV's; how marketable was he, what it is so hard to understand he would have made THEN career highs vs those names in big ppvs but he rather fight bums on Fox Sports and HBO
lol all I did was answer your question about why roy does the overseas thing now....roy didn't do that shyt during his prime because of that whole shyt that happened in the Olympics back in 88..nikka held a grudge for a min against anything non US related until he had them tax problems
And why is that?
too musclebound these days, suspect chin, bad defense
word the footwork and reflexes have declined.
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Then we'll just keep disagreeing breh
Roy would have prolly become only slightly bigger with a major promoter behind him, but you can only manufacture an opponent so far and sometimes that doesn't even work. Roy still became a superstar just not on some Tyson and Dela Hoya type shyt. Dude was like a notch below them which isn't a bad thing. Andre Ward right now would kill to be as popular as Roy was then. Roy just didn't have the big named dudes around him like that to fight. The Hopkins rematch was prolly the biggest fight for dude, but Bernard didn't want it so shyt never happened. Roy didn't have an Oscar payday floating around. Calzage didn't wanna come over back then either.
Roy pretty much cleared out the 175 division. Wasn't like Floyd or Manny clearing out 147 only leaving each other left to fight. Roy didn't have a bunch of popular names like that to fight. Yeah he missed a few guys during his career, but who hasn't. Comparing him to other boxers I think he did more than enough to become a atg maybe top 25 ever, but that's just my humble opinion.
And I agree with it. Cats must have forgot (pun not intended) but I lived through the Jones era. Not only was he recognized as the p4p #1 for a decade plus, but he was the face of boxing AND HBO. Endorsement deals with Jordan, no contract to any promoter so he always had things on his terms, he was the baddest man on the planet. People loved to watch him ply his craft cuz he did so in an entertaining way. Hes the best I ever watched actively compete. The things he did in the ring were uncanny and nobody has done them since.
Duck Millions to fight for chump change on Fox Sports huh, but now shyt is sweet
Are you gonna act like the IRS didnt enforce a tax lean til 2011 a whole 2 years before he went oversees to fight Green............
Why is Roy fine with holding a oversees tours these days huh
There is no defending Roy he ducked those names because they were legit competition,........
Floyd fought the best in a loaded WW divisions Judah, ODH, Mosley, Cotto Hatton, who gives a fukk about Freitas, Casamayor, and Tyzyu and the dumb shyt is they all would have fought Floyd had they not lost in the set up fight, you know that stop trolling nikka
The difference with Roy is he was styling and profiling in a already weak division picking on the easist fighters he could, while ducking challenges ducking mandatories abandoning and not givng a fukk the lhw lineage, Roy is chump, point blank period
Man stop it. The difference is....the fighters I named were all in their primes when FMJ had the opportunity to face them. The fighters you named that he fought were not. Judah coming off a lost to Baldomir who you consistently shyt on as a journeyman...but its a good win for Floyd now right?
ODLH who wasnt even staying in shape and was basically a part time promoter. Mosley was done for by the time Floyd got to him...I told people they was getting too hyped about that fight when it would be no competition. Only thing nikkas got to hold on to is that one punch Shane landed. Hatton...had no business at WW and Collazo proved that. Cotto? Past prime too and ruined from plaster.Floyd had a chance to face both Casa and Freitas when they were undefeated...but who the fukk is gonna wait around when you got mouths to feed? You can say Floyd waited for them to lose like he did Manny, then say...see, told u the bytch wasnt on my level. :mike: Tszyu was only once beaten from what I remember and destroyed Mitchell who was easily outboxing everyone at 140 at the time. Hatton stole the thunder that shouldve been Floyds on that one.
There couldve been a prime Mosley fight but it never made sense to either. When Shane was big he didnt need Floyd and vise versa....thats why that fight came 7 years too damn late.
I dont count guys like PWill and Margs because Floyd was at a much higher level than them. The other guys were on Floyd's peer level at times where the fights couldve been made.
He got rid of his primary threat, Corrales...but imagine Floyd's legacy had he done that then beat Casa and Freitas...and say defeated prime Mosley or been the guy to retire Tszyu...not Hatton? No doubt he would be much higher on all-time P4P lists than he currently is.
Always resorting to your Pactard ass Floyd slighting/hating nature when ImMan stop it. The difference is....the fighters I named were all in their primes when FMJ had the opportunity to face them. The fighters you named that he fought were not. Judah coming off a lost to Baldomir who you consistently shyt on as a journeyman...but its a good win for Floyd now right?
Floyd had a chance to face both Casa and Freitas when they were undefeated...but who the fukk is gonna wait around when you got mouths to feed? You can say Floyd waited for them to lose like he did Manny, then say...see, told u the bytch wasnt on my level. :mike: Tszyu was only once beaten from what I remember and destroyed Mitchell who was easily outboxing everyone at 140 at the time.
There couldve been a prime Mosley fight but it never made sense to either. When Shane was big he didnt need Floyd and vise versa....thats why that fight came 7 years too damn late.
I dont count guys like PWill and Margs because Floyd was at a much higher level than them. The other guys were on Floyd's peer level at times where the fights couldve been made.
He got rid of his primary threat, Corrales...but imagine Floyd's legacy had he done that then beat Casa and Freitas...and say defeated prime Mosley. No doubt he would be much higher on all-time P4P lists than he currently is.
on your ass.........
So what they were in their prime Floyd was 7 levels above them and they all lost they set up match, is that Floyds fought. Is yall gonna say Floyd ducked Kid Diamond next.....
.....And Does taking one loss or being hurt in a fight mean your not prime anymore
You in full troll mode today
