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[Newzz]

This nikka wants attention in the worse way....punching pumpkins like he Black Gallagher N shyt

Garcia didn't even know who he was....they couldn't recognize him without his sparring headgear

PC: You have been in many camps with world champions. Do you feel like the work that you gave them in the gym kind of hindered your ability to get some of the fights you have been wanting?

KM: That could be a reason. In hindsight, you look at it like I wish maybe I wouldn't have went in...honestly though, I'm not the only one that can get down. I'm sure there are cats out there who are doing things. I don't know if they are doing it like me and working these champions over when given the opportunities, but this kind of stuff been going on for a long time. I think that once they look at my record and compare they record to it, like a Danny Garcia, he ain't fighting nobody, man. None of these cats got an old school record like mine. I wasn't even 10 fights in and I think I had fought 5 or 6 undefeated guys. Not only were they undefeated, but they were promoter's fighters, and that's from everybody from Dan Goosen to Lou DiBella and Don King and Floyd's guys; you name them. Golden Boy, I have been matched up against their guys. But going back to your question, I can see that being a reason, but in a little bit, they ain't gonna be able to stop me.

This dude talking down on Danny Garcia saying he has a better resume and Garcia aint fought nobody

Same Danny Garcia who fought Morales 2x, Amir Khan, and Zab Judah has a worse resume than Karim Mayfield who's biggest fights are against Stevie Forbes and Mauricio Herrera


This dude is definitely gassed up because of a few SPARRING sessions where people werent even going hard against him

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

They just can't market him no matter how good he is.

 

[FreedMind]

watching this ortiz v. mayweather fight over and I can't help but to think that this is going to be more or less what we can expect for the fight vs. canelo.. what do you guys think?

 

[JohnStarksMiddleFinger]

HBO is telling Arum that they don't want Rigo on their network anymore.

Damn that sucks for the homie.

He's too good of talent be not showcased

 

[Black_Jesus]

watching this ortiz v. mayweather fight over and I can't help but to think that this is going to be more or less what we can expect for the fight vs. canelo.. what do you guys think?

But we don't even know how that fight would've ended if Floyd didn't ko Ortiz while he was trying to touch gloves

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

watching this ortiz v. mayweather fight over and I can't help but to think that this is going to be more or less what we can expect for the fight vs. canelo.. what do you guys think?

it will be more like baldomir/mayweather but not as hard for floyd. the style of baldomir and his use of the right hand like other argentinians like mathysse is very right hand dominant the same way that mexicans are left hook dominant and that gives mayweather a lot of style problems because it forces him to prepare to shoulder roll too much which stops a lot of his offense from getting off. thats why he had to run so much from baldomir, even if baldomir wasnt throwing the right hand, he threatened to throw it so much it forced mayweather into a very defensive mode at all times. this was also true in the jl castillo/mayweather fights who also put a lot of pressure with the right hand on mayweather and forced him into defense mode a lot. this is why stylisticaly the hardest fight for mayweather is actually lucas mathysse.

canelo needs to watch and recreate the kind of pressure baldomir and jl castillo put on floyd but unfortunatley for him he only fights in spurts and you cant beat floyd by fighting in spurts or with a left hook. the shoulder roll he does negates left hooks to the body and head. he should put pressure using the right hand to force floyd into a shoulder roll to basically make him go into a shell and throw hard jabs because the shoulder roll can take away the angle of right hands but cant take away the angle for jabs ie miguel cotto vs mayweather

 

[surv2syn]

Real talk, Raheem was talented as hell and had a good style, but the only time he managed to put everything together was in the Morales fight. Yeah the ref was fukking him over in the Juarez fight, but its not like he was dominating like that and he did lose to a past it Freitas. Dude got chances, it's just that he never really made the most out of them.

The best chance he received he DID make the most out of it...but he got fukked afterwards. Thats our point. In music, sports, entertainment, etc....sometimes all it takes is that one opportunity. Some get that opportunity and some dont. For boxers though....that window of opportunity is small. If you do get that opportunity...that can make or break a fighters career. In Raheem's case...it was a rare occasion where someone got their break and made the most of it and still came out for the worst. This scenario is totally different if Raheem was a non-TR fighter who was facing EM on some mandatory title fight shyt. Thats the difference. Politics. Rigo may be headed for the same fate...and the problem is, he is already an older fighter than Raheem was when he faced Morales...and at a lower weight to boot...so he doesnt have time to get dikked around.

 

[surv2syn]

it will be more like baldomir/mayweather but not as hard for floyd. the style of baldomir and his use of the right hand like other argentinians like mathysse is very right hand dominant the same way that mexicans are left hook dominant and that gives mayweather a lot of style problems because it forces him to prepare to shoulder roll too much which stops a lot of his offense from getting off. thats why he had to run so much from baldomir, even if baldomir wasnt throwing the right hand, he threatened to throw it so much it forced mayweather into a very defensive mode at all times. this was the also true in the jl castillo/mayweather fights who also put a lot of pressure with the right hand on mayweather and forced him into defense mode a lot. this is why stylisticaly the hardest fight for mayweather is actually lucas mathysse.

canelo needs to watch and recreate the kind of pressure baldomir and jl castillo put on floyd but unfortunatley for him he only fights in spurts and you cant beat floyd by fighting in spurts or with a left hook. the shoulder roll he does negates left hooks to the body and head. he should put pressure using the right hand to force floyd into a shoulder roll to basically make him go into a shell and throw hard jabs because the shoulder roll can take away the angle of right hands but cant take away the angle for jabs ie miguel cotto vs mayweather

excellent breakdown...but I am going to be more cut and dry with mine....
NOBODY is beating Floyd period until he starts to show some sort of decline in reflexes. His laser-like accuracy will win him fights forever simply because he doesnt commit to his punches. When he throws...he is already looking to get out of the way. When he says the objective is to hit and not be hit, he means it.

You can find fighters that have better this or that than Floyd....but the one thing I am not sure I have seen anyone better at is discipline and ability to stick to a game plan...fight after fight after fight.

 

[surv2syn]

But we don't even know how that fight would've ended if Floyd didn't ko Ortiz while he was trying to touch gloves

oh boy....here you go with this shyt....
first of all, I wouldnt want to touch gloves with a guy who just intentionally billy-goat butted me in the face. secondly, Floyd touched gloves while Cortez was deducting a point. third, Floyd touched gloves a 2nd time and gave Ortiz a hug. Floyd only had 2 options after that....either fight Victor...or fukk him. :mike:

the fight wouldve ended the same way. It wasnt a KO, Victor quit. He got frustrated early and wanted a way out. People talk about how Zab was a mental midget.....not hardly. No way Victor wouldve stood up to Cotto like Zab did....much less Zab's beating he took from Floyd. Victor is not a guy who will go til the final bell unless things are going somewhat in his favor.

sn: I do not count the Lopez fight as a quit....he had legitmate reason not to continue and should be absolved from the notion that he did.

 

[surv2syn]

Damn that sucks for the homie.

He's too good of talent be not showcased

I wouldnt give a fukk what HBO said.

TR needs to find this guy a proper outlet or grant him a release. Its bullshyt. :putamadre:

 

[patscorpio]

I wouldnt give a fukk what HBO said.

TR needs to find this guy a proper outlet or grant him a release. Its bullshyt. :putamadre:

pretty much the only way rigo will get a chance is to adopt a foolhardy, exciting style like Bradley did against Provodnikov...stupid fight as it was and prolly shaved years off his career now Bradley is getting a high profile PPV fight with JMM

 

[Black_Jesus]

oh boy....here you go with this shyt....
first of all, I wouldnt want to touch gloves with a guy who just intentionally billy-goat butted me in the face. secondly, Floyd touched gloves while Cortez was deducting a point. third, Floyd touched gloves a 2nd time and gave Ortiz a hug. Floyd only had 2 options after that....either fight Victor...or fukk him. :mike:

the fight wouldve ended the same way. It wasnt a KO, Victor quit. He got frustrated early and wanted a way out. People talk about how Zab was a mental midget.....not hardly. No way Victor wouldve stood up to Cotto like Zab did....much less Zab's beating he took from Floyd. Victor is not a guy who will go til the final bell unless things are going somewhat in his favor.

sn: I do not count the Lopez fight as a quit....he had legitmate reason not to continue and should be absolved from the notion that he did.

Floyd had a third option... to be the bigger more honorable man and touch gloves once more then square up and not rob 1.2 million viewers of a fight by haymakering a nikka trying to touch gloves... if Floydie was that upset about the butt he woulda never touched gloves at all afterwards... it was a bytch move...

 

[SuikodenII]

Scuttlebutt on social media Wednesday is that HBO is not interesting in bringing WBA/WBO world super bantamweight champion Guillermo Rigondeaux back for another fight following his unanimous decision win over Nonito Donaire in April. Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum is not happy about it and will likely have to put the Cuban ring technician on pay-per-view undercards.

Meanwhile, Rigondeaux’s manager Gary Hyde has laid out a plan of potential fights he’d like to put Rigondeaux in that spans five continents.

Fight 1: Rigondeaux vs. Frampton in Europe
Fight 2: Rigondeaux vs. Shimoda in Asia
Fight 3: Rigondeaux vs. Agbeko in Africa
Fight 4: Rigondeaux vs. Darchinyan in Australia
Fight 5: Rigondeaux vs. Mares in North America

In related news, Nonito Donaire looks headed to a possible rematch against Vic Darchinyan when he makes his expected comeback in a November fight that HBO should have no problem with.

I hear an echo

Amongst those, Agbeko is your best bet.......Frampton don't want a tough fight, no point in Vic since he'll be beaten again by Donaire very soon, Mares is GBP, Shimoda is currently completely irrelevant

 

[SuikodenII]

Well...at least Fury is telling the truth

 

[SuikodenII]

Jamoye Defends EBU Title Against Azaouagh on 9/28 - Boxing News

By Per Ake Persson

EBU bantamweight champion Stephane Jamoye, 25-3, makes a voluntary defence of the title September 28 in, Herstal, Belgium, and take on Frenchman Hasan Azaouagh,13-7, former French bantam and flyweight ruler. In the co-feature Sabrina Giuliani will defend the EBU female super lightweight title against an opponent to be announced.

Good fighter, Bullshyt fight


Bradley vs. Marquez, Chavez vs. Vera Undercard Notes - Boxing News

By Ryan Burton

Undefeated welterweight contender Jessie Vargas (22-0) has advised BoxingScene.com that he will return to the ring on October 12th on the televised portion of the Tim Bradley-Juan Manuel Marquez pay-per-view undercard. He said that his opponent still hasn't been determined.

With this news the pay-per-view undercard is nearly set. Yesterday an article by BoxingScene's Rick Reeno was published that announced Seanie Monaghan will face Anthony Caputo Smith to open up the broadcast. Last week an article by BoxingScene's Jake Donovan revealed that a fight between Orlando Salido and Orlando Cruz for the vacant WBO super bantamweight title will serve as the co-featured fight.

Vargas originally was going to fight in the televised co-featured on the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr-Bryan Vera card that takes place on September 7th. BoxingScene has been advised that Luis Carlos Abregu (35-1) will now likely open up that broadcast. One name that has been mentioned as a possible opponent is Brad Solomon (20-0).

Brad Solomon? Haven't heard that name in FOREVER


Dapudong May Face Tete in First Defense on August 31 - Boxing News

by Ronnie Nathanielsz

South African promoter Rodney Berman who was given three options on newly crowned IBO junior bantamweight champion Edrin “The Sting” Dapudong (29-5, 17 KO’s) is planning to match South Africa’s Zolani Tete against the hard-hitting Filipino probably on August 31.

Should it push through the first title defense of Dapudong will take place at the Emperors Palace in Johannesburg where he won the crown with a smashing 1st round knockout in a rematch with Gideo Buthelezi who earlier won the title in a roundly condemned hometown decision which resulted in IBO president Ed Levine ordering a rematch.

Given the IBO president's decision, its difficult to understand why promoter Berman was given three options.

The Golden Gloves Promotions website said Tete had been very unlucky in two of his three career defeats.

He lost by a twelve round split decision in a title eliminator against Roberto Domingo Sosa on September 1, 2012 after earlier losing by a majority decision to Juan Alberto Rosas.

Tete also lost by a 5th round TKO to talented IBF flyweight champion Moruti Mthalane on September 1, 2010.

The report said Tete carries decent power and proved it with his recent first round knockout of Filipino Eduard “Big Heart” Penerio whose record of 15-1 with 10 knockouts was misleading since he fought low quality opponents with poor records.

However Tete also scored a 1st round knockout of former world title challenger Rexon Flores of the Philippines taking just 28 seconds to take out Flores indicating he did possess punching power.

Not quite top 10 at Junior Bantam, but he's a good fighter...