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[surv2syn]

he explained why
Matchroom promised to keep him active, something PBC has trouble doing with the majority of their fighters
To be fair, the 1 event Matchroom did for him was bigger/better than any event Showtime put together for him
They just need to keep that momentum going. Eddie just signed him and is probably not trying to put dude in a 50/50 or even 60/40 fight right away without making money off him first so it might be a slow roll to start but there are fights out there for Boots that don't involve pbc. he/eddie just needs to be serious about taking them. Norman at 147, Ortiz, Bud and the eastern euros at 154

If you are not a superstar you need to fight 3x a calendar MINIMUM. So we will see how it goes.

 

[Apollo Creed]

he explained why
Matchroom promised to keep him active, something PBC has trouble doing with the majority of their fighters
To be fair, the 1 event Matchroom did for him was bigger/better than any event Showtime put together for him
They just need to keep that momentum going. Eddie just signed him and is probably not trying to put dude in a 50/50 or even 60/40 fight right away without making money off him first so it might be a slow roll to start but there are fights out there for Boots that don't involve pbc. he/eddie just needs to be serious about taking them. Norman at 147, Ortiz, Bud and the eastern euros at 154

nikka been active enough to have 30 fights nobody care about. Boots was never signed to PBC and what does "Active" mean to him? 2 fights a year?

Boots knocking on 30 he needs career defining fights.

 

[Apollo Creed]

If you are not a superstar you need to fight 3x a calendar MINIMUM. So we will see how it goes.

he has 30 fights, boots needs career defining fights. nikka finna be 40-0 and nobody give a shyt.

 

[surv2syn]

he has 30 fights, boots needs career defining fights. nikka finna be 40-0 and nobody give a shyt.

Everyone needs career defining fights but if you don’t get them then be active and establish some dominance. This is why some fighters stepped away from boxing sometimes years. Hats off to Benevidez. If Boots fights 10 more fights and be dominant then someone will give a shyt. Bud went through it while everyone at PBC was fighting each other he was on the outside looking in. What career defining fight can you realistically see Boots getting right now? Name just one and I will tell you why it will be damn near impossible to materialize.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Everyone needs career defining fights but if you don’t get them then be active and establish some dominance. This is why some fighters stepped away from boxing sometimes years. Hats off to Benevidez. If Boots fights 10 more fights and be dominant then someone will give a shyt. Bud went through it while everyone at PBC was fighting each other he was on the outside looking in. What career defining fight can you realistically see Boots getting right now? Name just one and I will tell you why it will be damn near impossible to materialize.

if Boots fights 10 fights that is 3-4 years down the drain, Bud retiring, and 154 cats likely moving on to 160 lol.

The fights that matter will be impossible because Boots dumb ass signed to a promo company that can't do anything but feed him bums and have had zero success with USA fighters.

If Boots signed with PBC (actually signed with PBC) he literally has dibs at Stanonius, Barrios, Tim Kazoo, Lubin, Charlo, and Spence lol. All those fights are better than anything any other company can offer him and PBC would have zero incentive to not make the fights happen being that he is their fighter thus they make money.

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

 

[patscorpio]

 

[desjardins]

If Boots signed with PBC (actually signed with PBC) he literally has dibs at Stanonius, Barrios, Tim Kazoo, Lubin, Charlo, and Spence lol. All those fights are better than anything any other company can offer him and PBC would have zero incentive to not make the fights happen being that he is their fighter thus they make money.

Why do you think so many fighters choose not to sign with them then?
Online a lot of people act like signing with PBC is a magic bullet for a black fighters career and yet we seen multiple times now dudes decide to go elsewhere
Maybe PBC never even negotiated in good faith with these guys or the offers were just that bad, iono. Boots seeing a direct path to get 3/4 belts at 147 and still not going to PBC is interesting. it seemed like a foregone conclusion he'd just pivot from showtime to PBC when the move to Amazon was made

 

[desjardins]

In almost every sport people talk about the evolution of the athletes and how they are more skilled and bigger than athletes of the prior eras.
Except in boxing, well I guess now people talk about the super heavyweights but in the lower weights I feel like most people still think the earlier eras would wash greats of the last 20-30 yrs. the last two weeks we saw two headliners box like they barely knew what a jab was, compared to a guy like McClellan who set all of his power up off of the jab

 

[Black_Jesus]

Why do you think so many fighters choose not to sign with them then?
Online a lot of people act like signing with PBC is a magic bullet for a black fighters career and yet we seen multiple times now dudes decide to go elsewhere
Maybe PBC never even negotiated in good faith with these guys or the offers were just that bad, iono. Boots seeing a direct path to get 3/4 belts at 147 and still not going to PBC is interesting. it seemed like a foregone conclusion he'd just pivot from showtime to PBC when the move to Amazon was made

Most of those guys just want fight dates and pbc don't provide that.. its pretty simple.. not to mention the PBC is ran by a hiding in the shadows ass nikka scared of cameras and public so they end up having to promote themselves.. Boots would be damn near 40 by the time gets to fight those names @Apollo Creed mentioned

 

[patscorpio]

In almost every sport people talk about the evolution of the athletes and how they are more skilled and bigger than athletes of the prior eras.
Except in boxing, well I guess now people talk about the super heavyweights but in the lower weights I feel like most people still think the earlier eras would wash greats of the last 20-30 yrs. the last two weeks we saw two headliners box like they barely knew what a jab was, compared to a guy like McClellan who set all of his power up off of the jab

Fighters were more skilled back then..the sad thing is you don't have to go back too far to see the recipes being lost

 

[Apollo Creed]

Why do you think so many fighters choose not to sign with them then?
Online a lot of people act like signing with PBC is a magic bullet for a black fighters career and yet we seen multiple times now dudes decide to go elsewhere
Maybe PBC never even negotiated in good faith with these guys or the offers were just that bad, iono. Boots seeing a direct path to get 3/4 belts at 147 and still not going to PBC is interesting. it seemed like a foregone conclusion he'd just pivot from showtime to PBC when the move to Amazon was made

PEople shouldn't blindly sign to a promoter period. The people who don't go with PBC tend to not be in a class where PBC has a stable that makes sense.

The people who complain about inactivity on PBC aren't people worth even talking about 7/10 times lol thus they blame PBC for their career (and those people are a minority if anything).

 

[Apollo Creed]

Most of those guys just want fight dates and pbc don't provide that.. its pretty simple.. not to mention the PBC is ran by a hiding in the shadows ass nikka scared of cameras and public so they end up having to promote themselves.. Boots would be damn near 40 by the time gets to fight those names @Apollo Creed mentioned

So if Boots signs to PBC, meaning PBC has 3 outta 4 WW titles you are telling me PBC would not make the fights? yes or no response only.

 

[Black_Jesus]

So if Boots signs to PBC, meaning PBC has 3 outta 4 WW titles you are telling me PBC would not make the fights? yes or no response only.

Go re-read my post and you tell me if thats what I'm telling you

 

[baltimore]

Why do you think so many fighters choose not to sign with them then?
Online a lot of people act like signing with PBC is a magic bullet for a black fighters career and yet we seen multiple times now dudes decide to go elsewhere
Maybe PBC never even negotiated in good faith with these guys or the offers were just that bad, iono. Boots seeing a direct path to get 3/4 belts at 147 and still not going to PBC is interesting. it seemed like a foregone conclusion he'd just pivot from showtime to PBC when the move to Amazon was made

Seems like guys go for per fight guarantees and signing bonuses over pbc who is gonna make you wait for back end money from ppv and live gates.