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[Yuzo]

Chris mannix already been called out for his trash scores by fighters and trainers


The actually judges had canelo easily ahead. Which most people did. Including Roy Jones, Shawn porter, Carl froch, teddy atlas, Derrick James, etc...

carl froch is the one who had it 3 to 4 in your gif. chris mannix is who had it 5 to 2 saunders. different people score fights differently.

 

[reservoirdogs]

I think it puts into perspective how talented kovalev was even at that age. But I said before this fight that canelo would break Billy down the same exact way he did kov. Pick his spots. Take his time. Eventually all of canelo's early body work and pressure will take a toll and he'll finish the job.

Canelo is all about efficiency now. This fight showed me how much he's grown in ring IQ. Especially when it comes to the slick fighters. He understands when facing slick guys you can't throw in bunches because you'll waste 90% of your punches and tire yourself out. He made that mistake against guys like Lara and trout. You gotta be patient and throw shots that are gonna actually do damage. Canelo paced himself perfectly and got the KO in the same round he predicted. Canelo knew this wasn't gonna be an early night.

It was his strategy and it worked well here but I also agree with Yuzo that he's waking a tight rope sometimes because giving up workrate in favor of clean but fewer power punches can still get you... outworked one day when you can land those bombs a little too rarely while the opponent keeps bothering you and controlling the ring. Against Kovalev it was really starting to get edgy... it worked out for him, he made his plan work and in the last 2 rounds he gradually tagged Kovalev more and more so I could see that it was deliberate but I can see it being dangerously content too. It could backfire one day when his punches and movement loses some snappiness, athleticism and someone with a great workrate, stamina and movement or chin comes around but for now I wouldn't pick anybody against him below 175.

 

[FreedMind]

Can't wait for RiGOAT vs Casimero

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

It was his strategy and it worked well here but I also agree with Yuzo that he's waking a tight rope sometimes because giving up workrate in favor of clean but fewer power punches can still get you... outworked one day when you can land those bombs a little too rarely while the opponent keeps bothering you and controlling the ring. Against Kovalev it was really starting to get edgy... it worked out for him, he made his plan work and in the last 2 rounds he gradually tagged Kovalev more and more so I could see that it was deliberate but I can see it being dangerously content too. It could backfire one day when his punches and movement loses some snappiness, athleticism and someone with a great workrate, stamina and movement or chin comes around but for now I wouldn't pick anybody against him below 175.

Oh yea for sure. I think canelo knows who he can do with it and who he can't. Seems like when he's in there he can feel when his opponents are weakening and doesn't feel the need to step on the gas. In the golovkin rematch he was much more active and was constantly touching golovkin every few seconds to keep him honest.

But that's why I said charlo has the best chance out of all these guys. He has good athleticism, good power, good speed, and a good motor. But he's not very good at fighting tall and he usually allows smaller guys to close the distance on him. Like korobov and dervychenko. His offense also gets predictable after a few rounds.

Canelo will get beat by a slick boxer who has a great workrate and a good enough chin to take his punches. And that's definitely not plant. People talk about the 2nd half of that Uzi fight but plants eye and nose was busted up in the first half. If he tries to trade left hooks with canelo like he did Uzi it could be a short night. Just don't like the way Caleb looks when he gets hit with big punches. His whole body gets rattled. This one could end in a devastating KO. But plant will show out for a couple rounds before the tide starts turning.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Oh yea for sure. I think canelo knows who he can do with it and who he can't. Seems like when he's in there he can feel when his opponents are weakening and doesn't feel the need to step on the gas. In the golovkin rematch he was much more active and was constantly touching golovkin every few seconds to keep him honest.

But that's why I said charlo has the best chance out of all these guys. He has good athleticism, good power, good speed, and a good motor. But he's not very good at fighting tall and he usually allows smaller guys to close the distance on him. Like korobov and dervychenko. His offense also gets predictable after a few rounds.

Canelo will get beat by a slick boxer who has a great workrate and a good enough chin to take his punches. And that's definitely not plant. People talk about the 2nd half of that Uzi fight but plants eye and nose was busted up in the first half. If he tries to trade left hooks with canelo like he did Uzi it could be a short night. Just don't like the way Caleb looks when he gets hit with big punches. His whole body gets rattled. This one could end in a devastating KO. But plant will show out for a couple rounds before the tide starts turning.

Charlo used his jab well against Derev, especially early on, later Derev found more ways to get inside though. Korobov on the other hand was boxing him up, not trying to start shyt at close range. And that's the Charlo's weakness imo, both of them, they are ridiculously tough, very sharp counter punchers in the pocket, like you better have a hell of a chin and/or punch anticipation if you want to stand there and exchange with them. Their defense is not extra though (not BAD either) and they seem to lack creatvity when they have to chase down an opponent not willing to exchange and can move and pepper them from range.

Now Canelo is not that guy that gonna constantly on the move that's clear but Canelo is an even better counter puncher in the pocket and imo he has more looks than Charlo, he has definitely the better defense too. Both seem to have very good chins, Canelo's is more tested though. So I think Canelo could beat Jermall in a war too, Jermall better try to win by his power jab imo. But I think Canelo would find a solution to that too and win a clear but competitive UD, like 116-112...

Possibly Andrade and Bivol are Canelo's toughest challenges, but I didn't like that much how either looked on their recent fight against solid but vastly inferior quality of opponents than Canelo. Their style could be a challenge to Canelo but once Canelo gets into his range idk how good they would handle it. Hence I'd pick Canelo against both.
Beterbiev has the best chance of beating Canelo but that's 175...

 

[Apollo Creed]

Is the tank fight no longer in ATL?

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Bread pretty much got it spot on

Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo-Saunders Aftermath, Canelo-Plant, Thurman

 

[Big Boss]

this fight had a lot of nikkas upset


even roy jones was forced to lean back

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

i remember thinking saunders had this look on his face, that, god, i will say this, it took him a few rounds to finally lose his respect of canelo. put it that way. you really cant beat a fighter until you get that through your head. plant (and andrade) move and use the ring more and that to me makes the fight compelling to watch. i'm one of those people that like to watch movement, and when its done right, its beautiful.

Exactly, once BJS started dropping his hands he found his zone and started doing good. You can tell he wasn't in awe of Canelo. He actually landed the most meaningful punches on him since the 2nd GGG fight. Looking at the post fight presser where him and Andrade were going back and forth, half of Canelo face was red and swollen. Like those BJS punches didn't seem like a big deal during the fight, but they caused some damage. Haven't seen Canelo take any facial damage in a while.

Yeah I love movement when its done right. Back foot boxing can be beautifully effective, but most don't snap out the jab or circle too big for it to be meaningful. Kovalev boxed nicely in the Alvarez rematch and was actually landing hard ones and twos. Against Canelo, he just threw out pitty pat punches that had no effect. Its like he tried to finesse a decision cuz he fought scary. BJS was definitely braver although it yielded the same result.

 

[Roid Jones]

Buatsi slept homie

 

[Tanahashi Coates]

 

[patscorpio]

He killed that man

 

[Tanahashi Coates]

He killed that man

He was so concussed that he broke down in the ring

Buatsi was looking like

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I'm never doubting Canelo


On a unrelated note to his current thread. I started boxing training since my pro homie invited to go get a workout with him when we linked up a few weeks ago. Several sessions in and knew boxing was fukking hard, but nawwwwww these nikkas are psychotic

Just the training alone would filter/break out 99% of the population. And these cats do this againt another equally dangerous human

I consider myself in incredibly good shape but he had me do this drill where you...squat...in guard and then throw the one two going forward, then backwards. that shyt ruined me

I fukk with this shyt though, I finally got the bread to get one on one training and learn so why not. I don't have any pro aspirations or anything but I do want to get competent enough to spar with folks in the gym. I really do get the talking point on how with some boxing training you sleeping basically any random civilian now, if I'm in the club or something and dude enters that icy compact stance I'm apologizing and buying him and his bytch a drink

It keeps you out of trouble too.

A tweaker (unknown to me at the time) was in my apartment lobby the other day. He grilled me when I politely gestured him to get on the lift before me.

He started punching walls and wanting to throw when I asked him what the problem was.

I just kept it moving, fukk that, no point taking that risk when you got hands or even some hands. You can catch a case or a lawsuit. A trainer of mine caught 3-5 for that exact thing in the club.

So it is great for circumventing situations like that too.

 

[King P]

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