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[reservoirdogs]

Very interesting fight, I'd pick Soro in that now

 

[julesocean]

He obviously doesn't have Canelo power. He has more looks than Saunders. Problem is if you are somewhat successful outboxing him, since you aren't hurting him, eventually he will land the shot he's looking for and the fight changes or ends.

Probably plays out the same way, and sooner if y'all saying Plant gasses fast.

 

[FreedMind]

Eubank Jr. would arguably be the best name on Boo Boo’s resume. And that’s not a shot. It would help raise his profile and a step in the right direction after his last fight.

It would be a good way to end his euro tour for sure

 

[Standing on business]

Coach set that boy up, he knew exactly what was gon happen when he threw that lazy jab

 

[Conscious Pilot]

It would be a good way to end his euro tour for sure

You said it , not me

 

[patscorpio]

Mayweather Sues Company For At Least $122.6M For Failure To Bring Paul Fight To Dubai

BY KEITH IDEC
Published Fri May 14, 2021, 08:10 PM EDT


Floyd Mayweather wants his money from the company he claims failed to deliver on its promise to put on his fight against Logan Paul in Dubai.

TMZ Sports reported Friday afternoon that Mayweather Promotions has filed a lawsuit against PAC Entertainment Worldwide, which Mayweather alleges breached its contract after agreeing to stage the Paul fight in Dubai on an undisclosed date in 2021. Mayweather Promotions seeks at least $122.6 million in damages, based on projections PAC Entertainment Worldwide presented to Mayweather before he signed a deal with that company.

According to the lawsuit, PAC Entertainment Worldwide never made its first installment, $30 million, of a $110 million guarantee for the event. That initial payment was due March 25.

Mayweather claims that by missing that first payment he was able exercise a contractual clause that terminated his deal with PAC Entertainment Worldwide. The lawsuit states that PAC Entertainment Worldwide still owes Mayweather Promotions the $110 million the event supposedly would’ve generated in Dubai because it was guaranteed.

The legendary Mayweather consequently was forced to find another date and venue for his exhibition with Paul, a 26-year-old YouTube star who has boxed only once as a professional. The 44-year-old Mayweather (50-0, 27 KOs), an undefeated five-division champion who has retired three times, will oppose Paul (0-1) in the main event of Showtime Pay-Per-View’s four-fight card June 6 at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, Florida.

Las Vegas’ Mayweather and Paul, who resides in Puerto Rico, initially were supposed to fight February 20. A venue was never secured for that date, however, promotion of the event quietly ceased, and Mayweather-Paul was delayed indefinitely.

The new date and venue were officially announced April 27.

There will be one other exhibition on the pay-per-view portion of the Mayweather-Paul undercard – former NFL Pro Bowl wide receiver Chad Johnson against Brian Maxwell. It’ll also include a 12-round rematch between WBA world light heavyweight champ Jean Pascal (35-6-1, 20 KOs, 1 NC) and Badou Jack (23-3-3, 13 KOs), as well as a 10-round bout in which former IBF/IBO/WBA 154-pound champ Jarrett Hurd (24-1, 16 KOs) will face Luis Arias (18-2-1, 9 KOs).

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Gamboa was a great win in the sense that he took his 0, but he’s always been very underwhelming at lightweight IMO.

In fact, even before he got to lightweight, dude was just sloppy. I recall being on boxing forums back in the day saying JMM/Gamboa needs to happen immediately before one of these guys loses. I don’t understand how Arum fukked that up. There is no way you can marinate that fight, because both guys were way too beatable. Very entertaining fighters, but you can only marinate fights between elite fighters.

As far as Garcia/Gamboa, I respectfully disagree.

Facts
Arum did an ATG fumble job with that fight.

but yeah, Gamboa was looking mediocre going into the Bud fight. The whole feel was like 50 was cashing him out going into that bout. Gamboa def has some attributes to trouble Mikey, but he too chinny and hittable for a guy like Mikey. He would have eventually timed dude and sparked his ass out.

 

[Yuzo]

He obviously doesn't have Canelo power. He has more looks than Saunders. Problem is if you are somewhat successful outboxing him, since you aren't hurting him, eventually he will land the shot he's looking for and the fight changes or ends.

Probably plays out the same way, and sooner if y'all saying Plant gasses fast.

saunders takes 5,6, and 7, to many observers, and, if that pattern continues that way he probably takes 8,9,10,11, and 12 to those observers. but everybody scores a canelo fight different. my point is that fight looked like it was probably going to end controversial like a lot of canelo fights until saunders made a mistake. if you have to fight a perfect fight to beat canelo, then nobody beats canelo, because no fighter is perfect. but a fighter with good defense will come the closest - thats plant. canelo fights work like this. he loses rounds on workrate and he wins them back on clean punching. so if a fighter is hard to hit, he can steal the round as long as he doesnt let canelo land clean too much. canelo has become even less of a combination puncher than he once used to be and now more of puncher that will load up single shots, like you said, looking to land that one big shot that ends or changes the fight. now more than ever he is a fighter that can be beat if you dont let him land that shot. there may not be a fighter today that can keep him from landing that shot. but you also cant knock out everybody every time.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

saunders takes 5,6, and 7, to many observers, and, if that pattern continues that way he probably takes 8,9,10,11, and 12 to those observers. but everybody scores a canelo fight different. my point is that fight looked like it was probably going to end controversial like a lot of canelo fights until saunders made a mistake. if you have to fight a perfect fight to beat canelo, then nobody beats canelo, because no fighter is perfect. but a fighter with good defense will come the closest - thats plant. canelo fights work like this. he loses rounds on workrate and he wins them back on clean punching. so if a fighter is hard to hit, he can steal the round as long as he doesnt let canelo land clean too much. canelo has become even less of a combination puncher than he once used to be and now more of puncher that will load up single shots, like you said, looking to land that one big shot that ends or changes the fight. now more than ever he is a fighter that can be beat if you dont let him land that shot. there may not be a fighter today that can keep him from landing that shot. but you also cant knock out everybody every time.

Good assertion.

Alvarez basically the antithesis of an amateur/Olympic/AIBA boxer at this stage of career.

This why I don’t ever see him fighting Benavidez, stamina and guard (best guard in the division aside from Canelo IMO) and he’s big.

Fans take it as a slap when you say Canelo doesn’t want to fight a certain fighter, they shouldn’t, it’s just what happens in the pro ranks.

That’s the game, you juggle inflating your profile whilst mitigating % of losing. Pretty simple.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

saunders takes 5,6, and 7, to many observers, and, if that pattern continues that way he probably takes 8,9,10,11, and 12 to those observers

But that pattern didn't continue ......he got his face broken and knocked out. That's what happened. How you just gonna try to erase a whole knockout .....what next.....if canelo didn't send Khan's chin to Jupiter amir gives him a Floyd-esque boxing lesson?


Billy only took rounds 5 and 7 to most people. And that was more cause canelo took his foot off the gas. Even in those rounds he didn't do much at all. The notion that if Billy didn't get knocked out he would have won the last 8 rounds is ridiculous .....billy got knocked out. That's what happened. Canelo controlled the fight early. Billy got a short burst of momentum. Canelo pushes it to 5th gear and knocks him out. That was the pattern. There are no IF's in this situation. And it was no accident. He got knocked out by a punch he had already been hit with several times. His legs were completely shot by the 8th round. This is what Billy looked like right before that uppercut landed. Dude could barely even stand up.

Does this look like a man who's ready to go another 5 rounds?.....Billy's gas tank was completely empty and canelo went for the kill after coasting for a couple rounds. That little 2-3 round surge Billy had was all he could muster. The early body work broke him down. Canelo gave him a boxing lesson the first 4 rounds.

But it's gonna be comedy if plant wins the first 2 rounds and canelo knocks him out in 3. Lemme guess....."well if the trend continued Caleb prolly wins rounds 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12"


I respect your boxing knowledge but come on breh. You just gonna pretend a knockout never happened to make your arguments now.....you've been wrong about many of your canelo fight predictions so far and I think you'll be wrong again on this one. Plant is very skilled but Canelo will pick his spots just like he did with kovalev and saunders and wait for plant to make mistakes. The inexperience will be the difference here. It'll be a fun fight for as long as it lasts though. I respect plants skill set

 

[Yuzo]

But that pattern didn't continue ......he got his face broken and knocked out. That's what happened. How you just gonna try to erase a whole knockout .....what next.....if canelo didn't send Khan's chin to Jupiter amir gives him a Floyd-esque boxing lesson?


Billy only took rounds 5 and 7 to most people. And that was more cause canelo took his foot off the gas. Even in those rounds he didn't do much at all. The notion that if Billy didn't get knocked out he would have won the last 8 rounds is ridiculous .....billy got knocked out. That's what happened. Canelo controlled the fight early. Billy got a short burst of momentum. Canelo pushes it to 5th gear and knocks him out. That was the pattern. There are no IF's in this situation. And it was no accident. He got knocked out by a punch he had already been hit with several times. His legs were completely shot by the 8th round. This is what Billy looked like right before that uppercut landed. Dude could barely even stand up.

Does this look like a man who's ready to go another 5 rounds?.....Billy's gas tank was completely empty and canelo went for the kill after coasting for a couple rounds. That little 2-3 round surge Billy had was all he could muster. The early body work broke him down. Canelo gave him a boxing lesson the first 4 rounds.

But it's gonna be comedy if plant wins the first 2 rounds and canelo knocks him out in 3. Lemme guess....."well if the trend continued Caleb prolly wins rounds 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12"


I respect your boxing knowledge but come on breh. You just gonna pretend a knockout never happened to make your arguments now.....you've been wrong about many of your canelo fight predictions so far and I think you'll be wrong again on this one. Plant is very skilled but Canelo will pick his spots just like he did with kovalev and saunders and wait for plant to make mistakes. The inexperience will be the difference here. It'll be a fun fight for as long as it lasts though. I respect plants skill set

i said the the people that scored rounds 5,6, and 7 for saunders probably continue scoring working with the same logic for saunders, and people who give every close round to canelo, like yourself, for canelo and probably ends in a controversial decision; if it went to a decision. the overall point for that was that you cant knock out every opponent.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

i said the the people that scored rounds 5,6, and 7 for saunders probably continue scoring working with the same logic for saunders, and people who give every close round to canelo, like yourself, for canelo and probably ends in a controversial decision; if it went to a decision. the overall point for that was that you cant knock out every opponent.

You could tell before the KO happened Billy was already about done. I think it's much more likely canelo surges late and beats Billy down. Even if Billy didn't get knocked out I think those late rounds woulda been ugly for him.

But we'll see. I respect plants skills. I don't think canelo is unbeatable by any means. I don't think any fighter alive today is unbeatable. But I think it's gonna take a guy who is slick, smart, but also powerful to beat canelo. Cause if he realizes you can't hurt him he's just gonna hunt you down. At this point I think plant still makes way too many mistakes and canelo will hurt him at some point. Canelo is a guy who understands his flaws and shortcomings and stays within himself. And he knows these guys can't do the same. Which is why he chills and waits for those openings. He knows he has the power to change a fight with one punch.

I think canelo's toughest challenge out there is charlo. He's tall, strong, and fast. His defense isn't too great but he's got the athleticism to make up for it. David is too flat footed. Canelo will force him to fight going back and negate his offense. Charlo is the guy that will give canelo the most issues. Plants speed will give him problems early but canelo will work the body to slow him down. Once Caleb's legs start to give out he's gonna start taking heavy shots up top.

 

[Yuzo]

You could tell before the KO happened Billy was already about done. I think it's much more likely canelo surges late and beats Billy down. Even if Billy didn't get knocked out I think those late rounds woulda been ugly for him.

But we'll see. I respect plants skills. I don't think canelo is unbeatable by any means. I don't think any fighter alive today is unbeatable. But I think it's gonna take a guy who is slick, smart, but also powerful to beat canelo. Cause if he realizes you can't hurt him he's just gonna hunt you down. At this point I think plant still makes way too many mistakes and canelo will hurt him at some point. Canelo is a guy who understands his flaws and shortcomings and stays within himself. And he knows these guys can't do the same. Which is why he chills and waits for those openings. He knows he has the power to change a fight with one punch.

I think canelo's toughest challenge out there is charlo. He's tall, strong, and fast. His defense isn't too great but he's got the athleticism to make up for it. David is too flat footed. Canelo will force him to fight going back and negate his offense. Charlo is the guy that will give canelo the most issues. Plants speed will give him problems early but canelo will work the body to slow him down. Once Caleb's legs start to give out he's gonna start taking heavy shots up top.

a commentator in your gif scores the fight 3 rounds to 4 or in other words even after 7 rounds. if canelo surges late, if canelo dislocates his shoulder, if canelo breaks his orbital bone, if canelo knocks him out; then no fighter has a chance to beat canelo. my point is that you cant knock out every fighter. thats not a prediction its a caution. if saunders can go 3 for 4 after 7 i am willing to give a guy like plant a chance, if only it is an outside chance, to do a little better, provided he doesnt get knocked out and can do it over 12.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

saunders takes 5,6, and 7, to many observers, and, if that pattern continues that way he probably takes 8,9,10,11, and 12 to those observers. but everybody scores a canelo fight different. my point is that fight looked like it was probably going to end controversial like a lot of canelo fights until saunders made a mistake. if you have to fight a perfect fight to beat canelo, then nobody beats canelo, because no fighter is perfect. but a fighter with good defense will come the closest - thats plant. canelo fights work like this. he loses rounds on workrate and he wins them back on clean punching. so if a fighter is hard to hit, he can steal the round as long as he doesnt let canelo land clean too much. canelo has become even less of a combination puncher than he once used to be and now more of puncher that will load up single shots, like you said, looking to land that one big shot that ends or changes the fight. now more than ever he is a fighter that can be beat if you dont let him land that shot. there may not be a fighter today that can keep him from landing that shot. but you also cant knock out everybody every time.

agreed.
BJS was fighting almost even with Canelo, but I didn't like how he'd let Canelo land those single chest shots that would back him up into the ropes and corners. Even tho he would be blocking them, it was still a bad look. Canelo wins enough rounds off clean punching alone. No need to let him add ring generalship to that as well. Every time BJS did that shyt, he was letting Canelo gain momentum and it was making Saunders look like he was being overwhelmed in spots. shyt was crucial because BJS wasn't even running or making big circles, he was staying close to Canelo.

I think there are some things, Plant does better than BJS.

For one is the jab, he's better at controlling the dull moments when Canelo is trying to time you and figure you out. Plus I think Plant is the better puncher for single shots. BJS shines more with the combinations tho. He was tagging Canelo with the combos he threw, but it wasn't sustainable for the long term with his defensive habits and lapses.

I feel like Andrade has a better shot than Plant, but Plant is still live as fukk and should not be overlooked.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

agreed.
BJS was fighting almost even with Canelo, but I didn't like how he'd let Canelo land those single chest shots that would back him up into the ropes and corners. Even tho he would be blocking them, it was still a bad look. Canelo wins enough rounds off clean punching alone. No need to let him add ring generalship to that as well. Every time BJS did that shyt, he was letting Canelo gain momentum and it was making Saunders look like he was being overwhelmed in spots. shyt was crucial because BJS wasn't even running or making big circles, he was staying close to Canelo.

I think there are some things, Plant does better than BJS.

For one is the jab, he's better at controlling the dull moments when Canelo is trying to time you and figure you out. Plus I think Plant is the better puncher for single shots. BJS shines more with the combinations tho. He was tagging Canelo with the combos he threw, but it wasn't sustainable for the long term with his defensive habits and lapses.

I feel like Andrade has a better shot than Plant, but Plant is still live as fukk and should not be overlooked.

Plant got great jab, angle change and head movement first 5-6 rnds, much like Saunders.

Major issue is size at that weight.

A good, bigger fighter will usually beat a good, smaller fighter.

Always been that way, always will be that way, anomalies pop up here and there, but generally it is always that way.