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[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Plant is not as slick as Billy Joe. And that will be obvious very early against canelo. He's got talent but he's not ready for this. Canelo is putting life altering beatings on guys. Golovkin hasn't been the same since that rematch. Kovalev prolly got brain damage. Callum woulda been better off getting sparked in the first than taking the beating he did. Bicep torn apart. Body destroyed. He'll never be the same. And we just seen what nelo did to Billy. Career is over. I fear for Caleb in this fight. Once the dancing shyt isn't working anymore it's gonna get very ugly for him. Face will be a mess by round 5.

Taking all Avi bets too. Already got a 6 month bet with Choc. But if canelo loses I'll just run em concurrently. Also willing to do 100 dollar bets with any 5 people. Or 500 dollar bet with any one person. Let's see how much y'all really believe in sweet hands



Hey. Maybe caleb will rise to the occasion and prove me wrong



Anything is possible right

 

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[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

a fukking good fight!!! enjoyed it and undercard Victor Ortiz fukking his shyt up..lol

 

[Deafheaven]

I'm never doubting Canelo


On a unrelated note to his current thread. I started boxing training since my pro homie invited to go get a workout with him when we linked up a few weeks ago. Several sessions in and knew boxing was fukking hard, but nawwwwww these nikkas are psychotic

Just the training alone would filter/break out 99% of the population. And these cats do this againt another equally dangerous human

I consider myself in incredibly good shape but he had me do this drill where you...squat...in guard and then throw the one two going forward, then backwards. that shyt ruined me

I fukk with this shyt though, I finally got the bread to get one on one training and learn so why not. I don't have any pro aspirations or anything but I do want to get competent enough to spar with folks in the gym. I really do get the talking point on how with some boxing training you sleeping basically any random civilian now, if I'm in the club or something and dude enters that icy compact stance I'm apologizing and buying him and his bytch a drink

 

[patscorpio]

a fukking good fight!!! enjoyed it and undercard Victor Ortiz fukking his shyt up..lol

Its prolly the only fight I ever put something on a paulie knockout lol

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Its prolly the only fight I ever put something on a paulie knockout lol

saying something..and failed.

 

[patscorpio]

I'm never doubting Canelo


On a unrelated note to his current thread. I started boxing training since my pro homie invited to go get a workout with him when we linked up a few weeks ago. Several sessions in and knew boxing was fukking hard, but nawwwwww these nikkas are psychotic

Just the training alone would filter/break out 99% of the population. And these cats do this againt another equally dangerous human

I consider myself in incredibly good shape but he had me do this drill where you...squat...in guard and then throw the one two going forward, then backwards. that shyt ruined me

I fukk with this shyt though, I finally got the bread to get one on one training and learn so why not. I don't have any pro aspirations or anything but I do want to get competent enough to spar with folks in the gym. I really do get the talking point on how with some boxing training you sleeping basically any random civilian now, if I'm in the club or something and dude enters that icy compact stance I'm apologizing and buying him and his bytch a drink

Yup lol...boxing training will get you right fitness wise...its the drills that make you a killer...do that shyt until its instinct then you do them some more

 

[patscorpio]

saying something..and failed.

I put something on both but the odds for that Paulie KO looked favorable to put a throwaway bet on it ..that's why its called gambling

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

I put something on both but the odds for that Paulie KO looked favorable to put a throwaway bet on it ..that's why its called gambling

obviously akh, after khan's shaky legs and knocked out in 65 seconds..

my gambling unc put 5 grand on naseem to knock out kevin kellley in 7 rounds...he was one happy high tongan!! we were there in MSG great night./
nas was there with raewkon and few others..

 

[Yuzo]

agreed.
BJS was fighting almost even with Canelo, but I didn't like how he'd let Canelo land those single chest shots that would back him up into the ropes and corners. Even tho he would be blocking them, it was still a bad look. Canelo wins enough rounds off clean punching alone. No need to let him add ring generalship to that as well. Every time BJS did that shyt, he was letting Canelo gain momentum and it was making Saunders look like he was being overwhelmed in spots. shyt was crucial because BJS wasn't even running or making big circles, he was staying close to Canelo.

I think there are some things, Plant does better than BJS.

For one is the jab, he's better at controlling the dull moments when Canelo is trying to time you and figure you out. Plus I think Plant is the better puncher for single shots. BJS shines more with the combinations tho. He was tagging Canelo with the combos he threw, but it wasn't sustainable for the long term with his defensive habits and lapses.

I feel like Andrade has a better shot than Plant, but Plant is still live as fukk and should not be overlooked.

i remember thinking saunders had this look on his face, that, god, i will say this, it took him a few rounds to finally lose his respect of canelo. put it that way. you really cant beat a fighter until you get that through your head. plant (and andrade) move and use the ring more and that to me makes the fight compelling to watch. i'm one of those people that like to watch movement, and when its done right, its beautiful.

 

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[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

a commentator in your gif scores the fight 3 rounds to 4 or in other words even after 7 rounds. if canelo surges late, if canelo dislocates his shoulder, if canelo breaks his orbital bone, if canelo knocks him out; then no fighter has a chance to beat canelo. my point is that you cant knock out every fighter. thats not a prediction its a caution. if saunders can go 3 for 4 after 7 i am willing to give a guy like plant a chance, if only it is an outside chance, to do a little better, provided he doesnt get knocked out and can do it over 12.

Chris mannix already been called out for his trash scores by fighters and trainers


The actually judges had canelo easily ahead. Which most people did. Including Roy Jones, Shawn porter, Carl froch, teddy atlas, Derrick James, etc...

Canelo dictated everything that happened in that fight and he was gonna wreck Billy regardless in those final rounds.


"That fight wasn't competitive. Billy came all this way to not give a good effort"- Derrick james








Billy just pawed out a weak jab for 5 rounds then managed to land about 4 solid punches on canelo before getting his face broke. Canelo proved to be the better fighter in every aspect. Offensively and defensively. Landed over 50% of his power shots while holding Billy to 21% landed overall. Billy barely touched canelo clean in 8 rounds. And the same thing will happen to plant.

 

[reservoirdogs]

I had Canelo 5-3 up, could have been 6-2, felt like the 4-4 was already generous to BJS let alone him leading on the cards.
Didn't do that bad though, unlike Smith he stayed game until his face was broken. But to be honest a faded Kovalev arguably did better than BJS. I know it's a division higher... but still it puts into perspective just how good BJS was actually doing here.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

I had Canelo 5-3 up, could have been 6-2, felt like the 4-4 was already generous to BJS let alone him leading on the cards.
Didn't do that bad though, unlike Smith he stayed game until his face was broken. But to be honest a faded Kovalev arguably did better than BJS. I know it's a division higher... but still it puts into perspective just how good BJS was actually doing here.

I think it puts into perspective how talented kovalev was even at that age. But I said before this fight that canelo would break Billy down the same exact way he did kov. Pick his spots. Take his time. Eventually all of canelo's early body work and pressure will take a toll and he'll finish the job.

Canelo is all about efficiency now. This fight showed me how much he's grown in ring IQ. Especially when it comes to the slick fighters. He understands when facing slick guys you can't throw in bunches because you'll waste 90% of your punches and tire yourself out. He made that mistake against guys like Lara and trout. You gotta be patient and throw shots that are gonna actually do damage. Canelo paced himself perfectly and got the KO in the same round he predicted. Canelo knew this wasn't gonna be an early night.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Plant is a fairly good boxer, he's not one to be on his toes all night though, he rather constantly shuffling laterally while always maintain range with his jabs, actually put power behind his shots, not counting the pawing kind jabs now that he also uses. His defense is basically maintaining range, his game is predicated on picking the opponent off with sharp up jabs, body jabs and hooks off the jab from distance, he really has an educated left hand, even throws left uppercut counters. Once the opponent can pass that zone his defense ain't that great anymore though.

He tries with the shoulder roll but only with mixed success against opponents on the level of Truax and Uzcategui. Not the best slipping/rolling/ducking or blocking/parrying game, so not that good of a defense once in the pocket. Those straight rights seemed to land on him often when they could throw it. Plant is okay with fighting in the pocket here and there too but can also clinch to stall the action and get back into starting position where he has the range he wants which is probably smart given how easily he can get tagged in the pocket.

And of course the elephant in the room, his stamina, he tends to burn out by the end of fights against opponents who put pressure on him even if they are B level. I don't think that he will be able to withstand Canelo's constant psychological pressure there, Canelo will probably land a fair amount of power shots on him throughout the fight. Plant might be able to maintain his favored distance for stretches but won't be enough. Canelo will sharpshoot him too and counter him from range, Plant is in there with a pressure fighter who's also a better counter-puncher than him. And if Canelo gets in the pocket, cause if Truax and Uzi could, Canelo too, when God fogive to Plant.

He was dead tired against Uzcategui's persistent but one bit pressure when they fought and I don't think he improved much since, maybe a little. I pick Canelo by second half stoppage, any rounds from round 8 to round 12...