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[MIAlien]

I'm not a boxing expert but I have a question. Son is 44-0 right? Why is it that people are mad at him for not losing, rarely getting hit, and "picking people he can't beat"?

If I was a boxer, and I was Mayweather's next challenger, then I lost to someone who Mayweather previously destroyed, why should he want to fight me?

Paulie Maliggnagi summed up today's boxing environment recently when he said something like, "It's prize fighting DUMMY. I fight for MONEY." These guys aren't out here fighting for legacy and their place in history anymore. That hasn't been the main motivator for boxers, or even a major one for many of them, in quite some time. Floyd doesn't give a fukk if anyone says he should've fought Pac, or Martinez, or whoever. He just made $32 million to beat Guerrero, styled on him, and got to 44-0.

The general public wants boxers to take on the toughest competition, look to build legacies, and give us classics. But what happens when you do that? You end up like Nonito Donaire, De La Hoya at the end, and Roy Jones when he came down in weight too quickly. And what happens when you control the environment and take calculated risks? You end up rich, popular, and perceived as invincible, like Pac (til recently), Floyd, and the Klitschkos.

One more thing: When it looks too easy, the casual fans say the competition isn't good enough and sometimes that's just the best competition out there. Right now, there's no one that can truly challenge Floyd.

 

[surv2syn]

I prefer this Floyd over the Money Mayweather gimmick
Floyd Mayweather on fighters thinking they can beat him - EsNews Boxing - YouTube


I wonder who was on the poster he had on his wall?

if the fighter on the wall was the same guy he said he fought...it was the late great Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez who was the 2 x Super Featherweight World Champion. He wouldve been around 26-0 from the time Floyd is mentioning (when Floyd was 16) and in his first title reign.

Chicanito (R.I.P.) only lost 2 fights. His first to Oscar De La Hoya and he lost his second world title to Floyd (the only fight I remember Floyd being an underdog in) and subsequently retired with a record of 38-2 (17)

SN: Floyd paid for Genaro's funeral. Floyd said he felt he had to do that because it all started with Genaro. Genaro gave him a shot at the title and Floyd was barely top 10 in the WBC rankings.

 

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[JohnStarksMiddleFinger]

if the fighter on the wall was the same guy he said he fought...it was the late great Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez who was the 2 x Super Featherweight World Champion. He wouldve been around 26-0 from the time Floyd is mentioning (when Floyd was 16) and in his first title reign.

Chicanito only lost 2 fights. His first to Oscar De La Hoya and he lost his second world title to Floyd (the only fight I remember Floyd being an underdog in) and subsequently retired. RIP

That's crazy that he retired his idol

 

[tnprince1005]

Paulie Maliggnagi summed up today's boxing environment recently when he said something like, "It's prize fighting DUMMY. I fight for MONEY." These guys aren't out here fighting for legacy and their place in history anymore. That hasn't been the main motivator for boxers, or even a major one for many of them, in quite some time. Floyd doesn't give a fukk if anyone says he should've fought Pac, or Martinez, or whoever. He just made $32 million to beat Guerrero, styled on him, and got to 44-0.

The general public wants boxers to take on the toughest competition, look to build legacies, and give us classics. But what happens when you do that? You end up like Nonito Donaire, De La Hoya at the end, and Roy Jones when he came down in weight too quickly. And what happens when you control the environment and take calculated risks? You end up rich, popular, and perceived as invincible, like Pac (til recently), Floyd, and the Klitschkos.

One more thing: When it looks too easy, the casual fans say the competition isn't good enough and sometimes that's just the best competition out there. Right now, there's no one that can truly challenge Floyd.

hahha So your basically admitting Floyds 44-0 career is based off cherry picks and how much he can make fighting less risky opposition.

Then you try to flip it and say "See! Look! Floyds the best he's undfeated! 44-0! No one can challenge him!"

And there was PLENTY of fighters he avoided throughout his career, that couldve been a huge challenge for him (Margarito, PRIME Cotto, Paul Williams, Pacman, etc...).

If he hadn't retired so many times and took fake vacations like a punk coward.


But of course your gonna look the other way and say it was all business decisions. Okay riiiiiight............

 

[Skip b]

I prefer this Floyd over the Money Mayweather gimmick
Floyd Mayweather on fighters thinking they can beat him - EsNews Boxing - YouTube


I wonder who was on the poster he had on his wall?

What we got recently is the true Floyd no gimmicks for HBO or nothing he doesn't have to put up with the act he gets guaranteed money now. This is how he used to talk before Gatti, no dramatics, cussing and stuttering unsure and such

 

[surv2syn]

That's crazy that he retired his idol

Floyd had a great deal of respect for Genaro. He was one of his idols because they were in the same weight class and he wanted to be champ at 130 one day. A lot of people didnt think Floyd would win against the rangy counterpuncher.

I edited my post above to reflect that Floyd paid for Genaro's funeral. Something a lot of people dont know.

 

[surv2syn]

What we got recently is the true Floyd no gimmicks for HBO or nothing he doesn't have to put up with the act he gets guaranteed money now. This is how he used to talk before Gatti, no dramatics, cussing and stuttering unsure and such

its funny because I always tell people, Floyd is a good guy. he has his issues, we all do. but overall he is not a bad person. you get these people that say he is this and that but its an act.

if you are going to make me the bad guy and there is nothing I can do to change that, then I may as well play the villain role to the highest degree.

thats all Floyd has ever done....play the bad guy role he was cast in.

people :udontknow: condemning and vilifying a person they never even met.


:deadsapp:

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

What we got recently is the true Floyd no gimmicks for HBO or nothing he doesn't have to put up with the act he gets guaranteed money now. This is how he used to talk before Gatti, no dramatics, cussing and stuttering unsure and such

People have to remember, Pre Fight and post fight Floyd were always different. Post Fight Floyd was always respectful, humble & chill (until Larry Merchant would disrespect him). If you look at any of Floyd's post fight press conferences he was always the same.

 

[tnprince1005]

if the fighter on the wall was the same guy he said he fought...it was the late great Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez who was the 2 x Super Featherweight World Champion. He wouldve been around 26-0 from the time Floyd is mentioning (when Floyd was 16) and in his first title reign.

Chicanito (R.I.P.) only lost 2 fights. His first to Oscar De La Hoya and he lost his second world title to Floyd (the only fight I remember Floyd being an underdog in) and subsequently retired with a record of 38-2 (17)

SN: Floyd paid for Genaro's funeral. Floyd said he felt he had to do that because it all started with Genaro. Genaro gave him a shot at the title and Floyd was barely top 10 in the WBC rankings.

Tell you the truth the REAL "Pretty Boy Floyd" left after his first bout with Castillo. Ever since then its been mostly Victora Sosa, Shamba Mitchell, NDou, Ortiz, Guerreros, Baldomir, Gatti's, etc.... All paper champs that posed no real threat to Floyd.

 

[Skip b]

Tell you the truth the REAL "Pretty Boy Floyd" left after his first bout with Castillo. Ever since then its been mostly Victora Sosa, Shamba Mitchell, NDou, Ortiz, Guerreros, Baldomir, Gatti's, etc.... All paper champs that posed no real threat to Floyd.

Was David Diaz a paper champ, I dont hear people complaining about other people's resume

 

[surv2syn]

hahha So your basically admitting Floyds 44-0 career is based off cherry picks and how much he can make fighting less risky opposition.

Then you try to flip it and say "See! Look! Floyds the best he's undfeated! 44-0! No one can challenge him!"

And there was PLENTY of fighters he avoided throughout his career, that couldve been a huge challenge for him (Margarito, PRIME Cotto, Paul Williams, Pacman, etc...).

If he hadn't retired so many times and took fake vacations like a punk coward.


But of course your gonna look the other way and say it was all business decisions. Okay riiiiiight............

I dont think you have the full accurate accounts. He didnt avoid Cotto, he wanted him. Arum didnt want to serve Cotto up because that was the biggest moneymaker for him after Floyd left. So thats inaccurate. There was never money into fighting PW and they had the same management. I am sure PW would tell you floyd didnt duck him. I been over the Margarito thing too many times already.

If you want Floyd to not duck you, its simple. Leave these garbage titles alone and get ranked. Fight up to be his mandatory. Have your promoter pay for fights that give you leverage. If he vacates rather than face you...then you can say he ducked.

SN: DiBella, Shaw, etc....those guys will overpay a titlist to defend his belt against their guy. That gives them leverage. Dibella is KNOWN for that. If you have a belt he will overpay you to bring that belt to his guy's hometown. Margarito shouldve worried about TR getting him a unification with :putamadre: or Forrest (R.I.P.) instead of trying to cut corners to get to :moneymay:

 

[tnprince1005]

Was David Diaz a paper champ, I dont hear people complaining about other people's resume

Better than Henrey Brusles and Chop Chop Corley.

And you know Pac's resume takes a BIG WET DUMP on Floyd's so dont even go there

 

[Skip b]

Better than Henrey Brusles and Chop Chop Corley.

And you know Pac's resume takes a BIG WET DUMP of Floyd's so dont even go there

Last comment is a joke I wont even respond to that

 

[surv2syn]

Tell you the truth the REAL "Pretty Boy Floyd" left after his first bout with Castillo. Ever since then its been mostly Victora Sosa, Shamba Mitchell, NDou, Ortiz, Guerreros, Baldomir, Gatti's, etc.... All paper champs that posed no real threat to Floyd.

its like George Foreman said.."everybody's a paper champ"

its unfortunate that Floyd missed the Trinidad, Quartey, DLH WW era, hell, Shane barely made it himself in time to get DLH. the guys that Floyd supposedly ducked...none of them ended up being great fighters.

One of the few fighters I would say that Floyd couldve fought was Kostya Tszyu...but if you say Floyd ducked him, then you have to say Shane did too.