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[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Ehhh, you caping for fighters. I don't do that. I just objectively observe, do your thing.

Benavidez imo, missed weight because he pushes the limits of how far someone his size can boil down.

Canelo aka Reynoso at no point has ever indicated they'll ever get at Benavidez. Reynoso plays percentages. He doesn't want walk forward fighters. I don't blame them, last time they had a walk forward fighter it was both a draw and then a 50/50 win/loss depending who you talk to.

His crippled brother put on a show against Crawford i thought, why you mad? That fight was tight.

I don't buy that ducking shyt, Benavidez seems to want it with anyone as far as i can see.

Canelo gave Plant 4 weeks just post of his last fight, that's how Reynoso plays the game.

It is what it is.

You say you don't cape for fighters then start caping for David missing weight



I don't got any sympathy for a dude who loses their belt on the scales. He fukked over himself. And he still has a chance to get a belt back but he keeps running from plant for whatever reason. Maybe cause he knows his boxing skill is limited as hell. When they had that altercation in the gym David was just standing in the background while Jose was the one who stepped to plant. David can easily get that canelo fight if he gets that belt off of Caleb. But he don't want the smoke

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

You say you don't cape for fighters then start caping for David missing weight



I don't got any sympathy for a dude who loses their belt on the scales. He fukked over himself. And he still has a chance to get a belt back but he keeps running from plant for whatever reason. Maybe cause he knows his boxing skill is limited as hell. When they had that altercation in the gym David was just standing in the background while Jose was the one who stepped to plant. David can easily get that canelo fight if he gets that belt off of Caleb. But he don't want the smoke

David is a fat motherfukker. The fact he fights at 160 is a surprise in itself.

Miss me with all that shyt. I could care less, that caping shyt is for the birds. I like Plant, i like Benavidez, i like good boxers and good fights.

I suspect the reason he left it that way is because Jose is a street dude, David isn't. Why you think it is?

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

i like good boxers and good fights.

Then you need to start crying about David fighting plant instead of crying about canelo. As long as david don't got a belt he's not fighting canelo period. His fat ass gonna sit on the back burner til he learns some self discipline

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Then you need to start crying about David fighting plant instead of crying about canelo. As long as david don't got a belt he's not fighting canelo period. His fat ass gonna sit on the back burner til he learns some self discipline.

Why you always trying to get at people? Crying? The fukk are doing? This is the internet. That's it. Remember that.

You right, Reynoso would do everything to stop that fight unless it was mandatory. That's just facts, i don't blame it, why fight the fighters that are a real problem to you if you don't need to?

You don't need to make it any more than that. None of this other shyt. It reflects on you.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Why you always trying to get at people? Crying? The fukk are doing? This is the internet. That's it. Remember that.

You right, Reynoso would do everything to stop that fight unless it was mandatory. That's just facts, i don't blame it, why fight the fighters that are a real problem to you if you don't need to?

You don't need to make it any more than that. None of this other shyt. It reflects on you.

When you call somebody a ducker then turn around and cop pleas for David ducking plant you're gonna get called out for your hypocrisy. It's as simple that.....David doesn't deserve shyt at this point. He fukked himself over by not taking his career seriously. Doesn't matter if you wanna admit that or not. Those are the facts.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

When you call somebody a ducker then turn around and cop pleas for David ducking plant you're gonna get called out for your hypocrisy. It's as simple that.....David doesn't deserve shyt at this point. He fukked himself over by not taking his career seriously. Doesn't matter if you wanna admit that or not. Those are the facts.

Pleas? Where the fukk was the pleas/? This is all you? You wrote all that stuff. The fukk is wrong with you? You brought up Plant, i was talking about Canelo putting it out there and fighting a big opponent in Benavidez, that aint gonna happen. Im not hating on Canelo, shyt he my p4p.

They (Reynoso/Canelo) offered Plant 4 weeks off a fight
They offered Billy Joe
They offered Yildrim

That's it. Thats what the discussion was. You brought up all that other irrelevant shyt because you angry on the internet.

Be easy, godamn.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Pleas? Where the fukk was the pleas/? This is all you? You wrote all that stuff. The fukk is wrong with you? You brought up Plant, i was talking about Canelo putting it out there and fighting a big opponent in Benavidez, that aint gonna happen. Im not hating on Canelo, shyt he my p4p.

They (Reynoso/Canelo) offered Plant 4 weeks off a fight
They offered Billy Joe
They offered Yildrim

That's it. Thats what the discussion was. You brought up all that other irrelevant shyt because you angry on the internet.

Be easy, godamn.

Plant was never offered a canelo fight at all. He just got asked by a reporter if he would fight canelo on 8 weeks notice and he said no. Plant already confirmed he was never sent an offer by canelo's team. Know the facts.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Plant was never offered a canelo fight at all. He just got asked by a reporter if he would fight canelo on 8 weeks notice and he said no. Plant already confirmed he was never sent an offer by canelo's team. Know the facts.

Ah no problem thanks for giving me that info.

Plant's your guy, you've clearly indicated how much you in his corner, that's cool, you really want him to win. Good for you.

Best of luck with that. He's nice with the weave/step back. I hope your dreams come true.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Nah i feel what you saying. I'm not hating.

Reynoso know what he doing with those cherry picked, 4 week lead in times though. Let's be real.

If he fights Benavidez then we good, he legit Hearns, Hagler era and i 100% salute.

To say he isn't ducking them dudes (Benavidez, Andrade) is incorrect.

Why Benavidez of all ppl? Why are ppl so god damn high on that dude?
He struggled and got knocked down by Ronald Gavril then came back and finally beat him clear, beat a washed Anthony Dirrell who was never that great to begin with and just prior the Benavidez fight the same Yildirim pushed his shyt who Eubank Jr. was making easy work of a few years ago. And then I haven't even talked about Benavidez's lack of discipline.

He has done nothing to me to view him as Canelo's ultimate test at 168, a very thin resume and hasn't always looked dominant even at that level.Plant has done more by beating Uzcategui and not losing his belt on the scale if we are being fair.

Andrade is really not being seeked out by anyone as an opponent but sadly I can understand why, he has to moveto 168 NOW and enforce that BJS fight before BJS could fight Canelo. If he beats BJS for the WBO I'm sure Canelo is fighting him.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Why Benavidez of all ppl? Why are ppl so god damn high on that dude?
He struggled and got knocked down by Ronald Gavril then came back and finally beat him clear, beat a washed Anthony Dirrell who was never that great to begin with and just prior the Benavidez fight the same Yildirim pushed his shyt who Eubank Jr. was making easy work of a few years ago. And then I haven't even talked about Benavidez's lack of discipline.

He has done nothing to me to view him as Canelo's ultimate test at 168, a very thin resume and hasn't always looked dominant even at that level.Plant has done more by beating Uzcategui and not losing his belt on the scale if we are being fair.

Andrade is really not being seeked out by anyone as an opponent but sadly I can understand why, he has to moveto 168 NOW and enforce that BJS fight before BJS could fight Canelo. If he beats BJS for the WBO I'm sure Canelo is fighting him.

Why Benavidez? He takes the fight to you and can bang. Name a fighter since GGG that has taken the fight to Canelo aside from Jacobs? Jacobs isn't heavy like Benavidez though.

That's all i can summate from it.

It isn't about me caping for Benavidez, just what i see are the match ups, styles, particularities etc.

Imo they weary of his attributes against Canelo, that's it. Every fighter got sizes, styles, opponents that don't match up for them.
Firepower, guard and walk forward are the potential attributes he got against a Canelo type.

With Andrade (they worried loss on points).
With Benavidez its headbanger boogie.

 

[The axe murderer]

Why Benavidez? He takes the fight to you and can bang. Name a fighter since GGG that has taken the fight to Canelo aside from Jacobs? Jacobs isn't heavy like Benavidez though.

That's all i can summate from it.

It isn't about me caping for Benavidez, just what i see are the match ups, styles, particularities etc.

Imo they weary of his attributes against Canelo, that's it. Every fighter got sizes, styles, opponents that don't match up for them.
Firepower, guard and walk forward are the potential attributes he got against a Canelo type.

With Andrade (they worried loss on points).
With Benavidez its headbanger boogie.

Hmmmmm experience though and he kinda has cement feet
The ones I see giving him most issues is charlo bivol and beterbiev

 

[reservoirdogs]

Why Benavidez? He takes the fight to you and can bang. Name a fighter since GGG that has taken the fight to Canelo aside from Jacobs? Jacobs isn't heavy like Benavidez though.

That's all i can summate from it.

It isn't about me caping for Benavidez, just what i see are the match ups, styles, particularities etc.

Imo they weary of his attributes against Canelo, that's it. Every fighter got sizes, styles, opponents that don't match up for them.
Firepower, guard and walk forward are the potential attributes he got against a Canelo type.

With Andrade (they worried loss on points).
With Benavidez its headbanger boogie.

I still think a very good mover would give Canelo more problem than anyone else.
Bivol is probably his hardest fight at 168 if he can make it. Plant too but too inexperienced and can be hit, I suspect he'd gas from the pressure. Thing is Canelo became a formidable pressure fighter, cuts the ring off a lot better than he used to, being an athletic boxer isn't a surefire advantage against him anymore.
Andrade could also pose him stylistic problems but don't think he would beat Canelo to be honest. Canelo's focus, experience, skils and ability of adjust to any style makes him the favorite against any current 168er and 160er.

For Benavidez I always thought aggressive dudes who bring it to him favor Canelo and his style more. He just gonna beat the shyt out of you in the pocket if you try to press him.
It is true that since Mayweather the hardest fight he had was against Golovkin but Golovkin is a different beast than Benavidez. He has a great jab like arguably the best in the sport at the time, also just generally a very highly skilled guy and he has a certified iron chin.

Benavidez hasn't got that jab, has a more rudimentary skillset than GGG and idk about his chin, he looks tough but he's been down already. So I think there would be a big difference in result between Benavidez bringing the pressure to Canelo and GGG (first fight). Benavidez has fast hands, solid power and he's big, sure, but that won't be enough.

 

[patscorpio]

He has done nothing to me to view him as Canelo's ultimate test at 168, a very thin resume and hasn't always looked dominant even at that level.Plant has done more by beating Uzcategui and not losing his belt on the scale if we are being fair.

oh no he hasn't..the only thing plant has over benavidez is discipline...anthony dirrell is a better fighter than uzcategui ever was.and plant looked terrible beating that guy

plant and benavidez, million times said, have a common opponent in porky medina that you can do a comparison...one looked impressive, one did not..we all know who

and plant since surviving gassing out vs uzcategui

1. mike lee - who fought primarily at 175 and eats at subway
2. an ibf german mandatory who choc tried to hilariously big up like he was different from the other ibf mandatories as of late (pulev, szeremeta, khongsong, fanlong/deines etc etc)
3. caleb truax - dirrell stopped this guy in round 1 when truax was serviceable

any other fighter who has shyt like this in his title reign would be lambasted....there is a reason why boxers and fans have a majority opinion that he is the weakest 168 champion right now...i gotta make sure to continue to bring that heat to plant until he faces a live body

 

[reservoirdogs]

oh no he hasn't..the only thing plant has over benavidez is discipline...anthony dirrell is a better fighter than uzcategui ever was.and plant looked terrible beating that guy

plant and benavidez, million times said, have a common opponent in porky medina that you can do a comparison...one looked impressive, one did not..we all know who

and plant since surviving gassing out vs uzcategui

1. mike lee - who fought primarily at 175 and eats at subway
2. an ibf german mandatory who choc tried to hilariously big up like he was different from the other ibf mandatories as of late (pulev, szeremeta, khongsong, fanlong/deines etc etc)
3. caleb truax - dirrell stopped this guy in round 1 when truax was serviceable

any other fighter who has shyt like this in his title reign would be lambasted....there is a reason why boxers and fans have a majority opinion that he is the weakest 168 champion right now...i gotta make sure to continue to bring that heat to plant until he faces a live body

Sure, he's fighting subpar opposition but Benavidez's ain't better by a little.
That Uzcategui win was more meaningful than the Dirrell one too. Dirrell was coming off struggling against Yildirim, getting away with a TD win when shyt started to heat up That's how he got a vacant belt, his only world title in his career at 34.
Uzcategui was at least looking good beating the crap out of the older Dirrell brother for whatever that worths but surely it worths more than getting away with a skin on your teeth TD win over Yilidrim.

They have completely different styles too so I'm not stressing too much over how they looked against common opponents. Porky didn't stand a chance in either fight at the end of the day.

 

[patscorpio]

Sure, he's fighting subpar opposition but Benavidez's ain't better by a little.
That Uzcategui win was more meaningful than the Dirrell one too. Dirrell was coming off struggling against Yildirim, getting away with a TD win when shyt started to heat up That's how he got a vacant belt, his only world title in his career at 34.
Uzcategui was at least looking good beating the crap out of the older Dirrell brother for whatever that worths but surely it worths more than getting away with a skin on your teeth TD win over Yilidrim.

They have completely different styles too so I'm not stressing too much over how they looked against common opponents. Porky didn't stand a chance in either fight at the end of the day.

Dirrell has had more than 1 title reign