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reservoirdogs
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He was impressive last night, idk what expectations the critics had. Sometimes it’s ok to say he’s better than yall thought. It’s ok to admit to me, certainly didn’t think he would win so impressive. Beat him better than Porter.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
He beats Kelly right now, Kelly is slick but not world level slick, he would not withstand the pressure imo
reservoirdogs
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Rigo to turn back the clockJohn Riel Casimero Vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux In The Works For March Or April 2021
John Riel Casimero vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux in the works for March or April 2021 ⋆ Boxing News 24
By Barry Holbrook: Bantamweight champions John Riel Casimero and Guillermo Rigondeaux are in negotiations for a unification fight in March or April. ‘The Jackal’ Rigondeaux (20-1, 13 KOs0 holds the WBA ‘regular’ 118-lb title, and Casimero (30-4, 21 KOs) is the WBO bantamweight champion.
The inner of the Casimero vs. Rigondeaux fight is expected to take on IBF/WBA 118lb champion Naoya ‘Monster’ Inoue in a unification fight in 2021.
At this point in the 40-year-old Rigondeaux’s career, he could have difficulty dealing with the punching power and talent of Casimero.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
Nah, we ain't in the 90's anymore breh, not even the 00'sCall it American Bias but I wanna see Guys like Benn and Tim Tszyu against Top 10ish guys in their division over here
America remains a boxing stronghold with the most top 10 ranked fighter in the world but the world got a lot bigger. More than half of the P4P lists consist of non-Americans, top 3 P4P a 2 to 1 ratio, top 5 a 3 to 2 ratio to non-Americans. If I look at the divisions there are 3 that are currently ruled (RING or lineal) or lead (first ranked) by a US fighter, 154 with Charlo, 147 with Spence and 135 with Lopez, that ain't a lot. Things evened up quite a bit.
Really there's no need to be extra suspicious over fighters not from the USA anymore, it's not supported by anything other than outdated biases.
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Yeah it’s antiquated and outdated line of thinking... truthfully it’s probably a little bit of nationalism in my opinion.Nah, we ain't in the 90's anymore breh, not even the 00's
America remains a boxing stronghold with the most top 10 ranked fighter in the world but the world got a lot bigger. More than half of the P4P lists consist of non-Americans, top 3 P4P a 2 to 1 ratio, top 5 a 3 to 2 ratio to non-Americans. If I look at the divisions there are 3 that are currently ruled (RING or lineal) or lead (first ranked) by a US fighter, 154 with Charlo, 147 with Spence and 135 with Lopez, that ain't a lot. Things evened up quite a bit.
Really there's no need to be extra suspicious over fighters not from the USA anymore, it's not supported by anything other than outdated biases.
However, a litte over a year ago, AJ the Undefeated and Unified Heavyweight Champion of the World, in his first fight in America, lost horribly in one of the biggest upsets in Recent boxing history. So while I do agree with your post, my opinion isn’t completely off base.
Dallas' 4 Eva
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Call it American Bias but I wanna see Guys like Benn and Tim Tszyu against Top 10ish guys in their division over here
It's understandable, the majority of boxing talent is in the US.
De La Hoya on Wilder, Spence, and Other PBC Fighters: I Built Them
By Sean Nam
Published On Sun Nov 22, 2020, 08:23 AM EST
Golden Boy CEO Oscar De La Hoya believes he deserves a lot of credit for building Canelo Alvarez, his recently departed signee, into the box office star he is today. To the extent that De La Hoya has been the promoter for Alvarez in every major fight of his career, that claim is difficult to dispute.
He also believes he deserves credit for having “built” the careers of numerous Premier Boxing Champions fighters, including Deontay Wilder, Errol Spence Jr., the Charlo twins, and Leo Santa Cruz to name just a few. That claim, however, might be a bit harder to swallow, depending on your definition of the operative word.
“I built them,” De La Hoya said on a recent episode of the 3 Knockdown Rule.
De La Hoya was referencing the fact that he used to promote a slew of current PBC boxers before relinquishing their promotional rights to their manager and PBC architect Al Haymon in a bitter settlement in 2015. The move allowed Haymon to pursue a timebuy strategy with multiple networks, while Golden Boy salvaged the remains of a gutted roster. The PBC, which is thought to have more than 200 fighters aligned with the firm, currently has exclusive output deals with Fox and Showtime.
De La Hoya also took the time to excoriate the PBC on a whole raft of issues, including its matchmaking sensibility.
“On the other side of the street (PBC) you have a bunch of fighters that just don’t want to fight and it’s not because of them it’s because of who is controlling the ship there,” De La Hoya said.
“The PBC group has their own agenda,” De La Hoya continued. “I don’t know what that agenda is because they keep losing money. Literally. A perfect example if the Leo Santa Cruz and Gervonta Davis fight. And before that they lost money somewhere else and somewhere else. I don’t know how long they can keep it up. It’s hurting the sport. We can make so many good fights together. And we’ve done it together, with Fox and ESPN working together (on Wilder-Fury II). We should do it more often.
“(Top Rank head) Bob Arum loves making fights. But we’ve worked with every single promoter out there and have had no issues whatsoever. The only issues that we’ve had is with PBC for some reason. And I don’t dislike them.”
With the departure of Alvarez, Golden Boy Promotions arguably has never found itself on shakier ground. The company still promotes the likes of Vergil Ortiz, Jaime Munguia, and rising star Ryan Garcia, in addition to some 70-odd fighters, and reportedly still has an output deal with streaming platform DAZN. Yet De La Hoya maintained that the future for his company remained bright, something he cannot say for the PBC.
“What I’m saying is that, yeah, Leo Santa Cruz, Danny Garcia…What’s going to happen is PBC is relying on the champions they have now but what happens when the champions get old and they retire,” De La Hoya said. “They don’t have the next wave because they don’t know how to build. So that’s maybe a ship that sails away and they try to do great but they just couldn’t.”
Reached for comment, PBC spokesperson Timothy Smith had this to say:
“Errol Spence Jr. will be defending his unified welterweight title on Saturday, December 5 before his hometown fans at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas on FOX Sports and PBC PPV. It will be his third PPV fight. We’re busy handling things for the PBC and the boxers who appear on our platforms on FOX Sports and Showtime. We wish everyone else well in their endeavors in the boxing business.’'
reservoirdogs
Superstar
I get you, on the other hand Wilder got pasted in the very same division by an Euro
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Jaron ennis would have no ippon his ass
Knockout_LR_Freshmart
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bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
great fight great ending
Nope. Once a quitter always a quitter. A future loss or win will never erase that.Rigo to turn back the clock