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Duran quit vs Sugar Ray and Pat Lawlor (once, twice)What about Duran to mention the first that springs in mind? The guy is almost universally adored by boxing fans today and usually ranked as a top 10 P4P ever even with the infamous No Mas.
And turning back the clock doesn't even mean he restores his old reputation, it means putting on one last performance late in your career that resembles your prime. Rigo is going into brawls nowadays, still winning but it does a disservice to him. Saying he'll turn back the clock is more wishful thinking than anything else but it's possible that he can win, Casimero better not sleep on him, Rigo can still counter the shyt out of you, especially if you are wide open like Casimero often is.
Rigo never had the pro resume Duran had when he quit vs Loma (he was a equal favorite to win as well). He will always be skilled and dangerous...until he figures he cannot catch the guy but instead is being outboxed.
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Arum doubles down
Arum Stands By Crawford Comments, Disinterested in Promoting His Fights
By Dan Rafael
Published On Mon Nov 23, 2020, 12:07 AM EST
Top Rank chairman Bob Arum has taken heat for the comments he recently made about losing money on welterweight world titlist Terence Crawford fights and how Crawford, in his view, needs to do a better job bringing attention to himself, but Arum said he doesn’t care about the criticism and stands by his comments.
“I don’t give a sh-t,” Arum told BoxingScene. “I don’t care because what (the Crawford camp) did was reprehensible. The lawyer sent a letter to us. OK, that’s fine. That’s what lawyers do. But you don’t release it to the press. All of this should have been behind closed doors like what men do. I’m not going to take this sh-t. I’m just not going to do it, because the truth is I’ve lost money with this guy.”
Arum said he is upset because he believes that Brian McIntyre, Crawford’s manager and trainer, leaked details of Crawford’s contract, including that his agreement with Top Rank expires in October 2021 and that Arum had promised to pay Crawford $1 million if he didn’t make an offer in 2020 to unified welterweight titlist Errol Spence Jr. to fight Crawford, in advance of Crawford’s fourth-round knockout of former titlist Kell Brook on Nov. 14 at the conference center of the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
Arum said it has angered him so much he isn’t even interested in promoting future fight involving Crawford, one of boxing’s elite pound-for-pound fighters.
“It will be another hit on my net worth,” Arum said. “I’m being serious. I turned the whole project of Crawford over to (Top Rank president and Arum stepson) Todd (duBoef). I washed my hands of it. I’m too emotional about it. There was this last kerfuffle with the Brook fight when he didn’t sign the contracts so we couldn’t promote on (the) Lomachenko-Lopez (telecast). I have long since departed working with Crawford.”
At issue, Arum said, was that after Top Rank and Crawford agreed to terms on the Brook fight Crawford had the contract for two weeks but declined to sign the paperwork. Arum wanted it signed so they could launch the promotion in a major way during the Vasiliy Lomachenko-Teofimo Lopez ESPN telecast on Oct. 17, which averaged a very strong 1.534 million viewers for the entire 5-hour, 47-minute broadcast, including an average of 2.729 million viewers for the main event. Crawford wound up signing the paperwork during the telecast, leading to only a brief mention of the upcoming fight.
“We kept telling them sign the f--king contract because what they were up to was to start promoting it, not have a signed contract and start a renegotiation,” the 88-year-old Arum said. “I want a signed contract. They had it for two weeks. If it was up to me I couldn’t handle it (another Crawford fight). I’m too old to handle this. I’ve taken it off my agenda. Whatever Todd wants to do.”
After Crawford stopped Brook, Arum made his controversial comments to The Athletic, saying of Crawford, “He’s got to promote like Lopez does. He’s got to promote like Shakur (Stevenson) does… like (Floyd) Mayweather did, like (Manny) Pacquiao did. If he doesn’t, then who the f---k needs him? He may be the greatest fighter in the world, but, hey, I ain’t going bankrupt promoting him.
“The question is, ‘Do we want to keep him?’ I could build a house in Beverly Hills on the money I’ve lost on him in the last three fights, a beautiful home. Nobody questions Crawford’s innate, tremendous ability. By beating a naturally bigger guy (Brook), decisively, that’s a big statement that’s he’s making. The question is, ‘Does he pay the bills?’ Look, you can have the greatest opera singer in the world. If the fans don’t support it, you’re out of business.”
Another issue that has caused a rift between Arum and Crawford is the inability to make a meaningful welterweight fight for Crawford, who after becoming the undisputed junior welterweight world champion in 2017 moved up in weight and won a belt but has so far not had the opportunity to face the elite of the division. Those fighters, including Spence, titleholder Pacquiao and former titleholders Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia, all are aligned with Premier Boxing Champions, making putting a fight with Crawford together difficult.
The most significant fight for Crawford (37-0, 28 KOs), 33, of Omaha, Nebraska, would be against Spence (26-0, 21 KOs), 30, of DeSoto, Texas, provided Spence gets past Garcia on Dec. 5.
While Arum agrees that Crawford-Spence is a very attractive fight, he said the financial expectations from the boxers, combined with current conditions related to the coronavirus pandemic, make it a nonstarter for now.
In addition to attendance restrictions at whatever arena would host a potential fight, there are other factors, Arum said.
“An essential element to all the big pay-per-views is the closed circuit – the bars, the restaurants,” he said. “They can account anywhere from $3 million to $5 million to the bottom line. That’s not going to be available. And this -- the price of the pay-per-view is too f--king high because the cut that the satellite and cable systems take is way too much in my opinion. They’re down to taking about 40 percent but that’s too much. Will people be willing to have 10 or 12 people in their homes to watch the telecast? And will people have the money to buy it? I’m not crazy but I watch television and there are thousands of people outside of food banks. Those people are not customers because they don’t have the money, so what the f--- are we talking about?”
If the fight was made and there could be normal attendance at the MGM Grand, for example, Arum estimated the gate would be around $7 million with closed circuit revenue adding another $3 million to $4 million to the pot.
“You put the $10 million in and even if the pay-per-view does 400,000 buys you still have enough to pay the fighters, but you can’t replace the $10 million,” Arum said.
desjardins
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what happened to Richard Schaefer? I remember dude had stans and ppl were saying he was going take over the promotion game when he left GB
That lawsuit must have hurt breh pockets something serious and delayed him by years. I thought it was a foregon conclusion that he would just work for PBC
im pretty sure the lawsuit hurt his pockets with what he did lol...they are saying he had a no compete clause for some years which makes sense
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Thought he had ring star promotions he was working with Haye promotions
It's a next summer thing anyway. It was never going to be next.
I'm late by a year or so but who sanctioned JMJ to fight? His biggest victory was 25 years ago vs Junior Jones!
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The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Canelo got bigger