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malbaker86
Gators
Nobody reading all that biased bs.
Parker's team stated that they didnt want the Wilder fight.
Wasn't Vlad coming off a 2 year layoff and layoff and a loss (and age 41) when AJ fought him?
Not one mention of Wilder going to Russia to fight Povetkin but Povetkin popped dirty?
I'm not even a Wilder fan but lets not act like there aint politics on BOTH sides when it comes to AJ vs Wilder not having happened yet
Parker's team stated that they didnt want the Wilder fight.
Wasn't Vlad coming off a 2 year layoff and layoff and a loss (and age 41) when AJ fought him?
Not one mention of Wilder going to Russia to fight Povetkin but Povetkin popped dirty?
I'm not even a Wilder fan but lets not act like there aint politics on BOTH sides when it comes to AJ vs Wilder not having happened yet
I AM WE ARE
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They wanna push this dude soooooooo hard but they setting him up for the fall imo
chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
Usyk is certainly a technically astute and clever fighter. His stamina and latter round punch output is better than anyone else in heavyweight by a long way.
But he lacks the size of others at heavyweight, his ability to cause damage is
compromised somewhat at that weight.
Love to see him fight Joshua personally. That’s an interesting fight.
Bigblackted4
Superstar
Uysk could have went the WBC route and signed with the PBC but he didn’t, I guess why
Bigblackted4
Superstar
chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
Are there many European boxers signed to PBC? Serious question.
Usyk is aware of his size disadvantage you’d assume, he’s been weight training for the first time in his career this year.
I’m not certain as to why he signed with Hearn, however he was most likely getting jerked by the Klitchsko promotions in his previous contract, Hearn just probably talked a sweet deal comparatively
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ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
I like Usyk chances against Joshua better than Wilder... I don’t see him taking Wilders power well being a smaller heavy... with AJ he has a better chance of taking the power N therefore winning enough rds
Usyk is going to be an interesting proposition, , him vs Fury would be a technical battle, Fury has the size advantage, it would be a very interesting fight from a technical perspective who would outpoint the other. Usyk vs Wilder is like with a lot of opponents for Wilder in that Usyk will outbox him but if he gets caught of course Wilder has the power to KO him, it could be a fascinating fight, Usyk has the potential to make Wilder look silly with a wide points decision, he has the speed to avoid shots but also end up landing his own, he said the other day he wants the Wilder fight the most, may be he feels from a technical perspective he has a plan he can see through to win, it would be a fight that would hold a lot of interest because even if Usyk won 11 rounds Wilder has the potential to KO him in the 12th so it would be interesting and tense for as long as it lasts, Wilder could also bang him out in the first round, depends if he land or if Usyk can avoid them, Usyk is very very technical though, that's his style so it's not out of the realms of possibility he could avoid the shots the whole fight. Usyk vs AJ is another interesting 1, AJ is like a mix of Wilder and Fury in a sense, he has more power than Fury, slightly less than Wilder in terms or 1 punch KO's, even though it may be cause he doesn't swing like him, but he's a better boxer than WIlder and you could argue slightly less better technical boxer than Fury, but that's arguable but reasonable. It could be a hard fight for Usyk, because you're facing a guy who can box well and really hurt you too. It's an interesting 1, Usyk has advantages over AJ and AJ has advantages over Usyk in terms of size and power, all 3 fights would be good to happen. I don't like the way sometimes we write a heavyweight off after a defeat, think it's unfair and not good for the division. I want to see ALL these fights regardless of the winner or loser, Whyte vs Usyk is also a potentially great fight. Don't really wanna see Chisora vs Usyk cause as much as I respect Chisora's toughness and that it would be a challenge I can't see him beating Usyk, I feel like Usyk avoids them big shots all day and just boxes Chisora the whole fight. But yeah to my point, like Ruiz lost the other day, so what? I'd still like to see him fight Wilder, Fury, Whyte, Ortiz and others 1 day. Why not? He hasn't turned into a bad heavyweight overnight. And styles do make fights so seeing these styles contrast would be what makes it interesting. Even Ruiz vs Dubois would be very entertaining and what a statement it would be if Dubois could win, which in my opinion he could pull off the surprise victory, he bangs, it all depends on Dubois chin which hasn't fully been tested yet.
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reservoirdogs
Superstar
This was well publicised a few months back:Show me Dazn offer vs PBC offer ... so we can compare N see what deal was better ... I’ll wait
All I heard was they offered Tevin Farmer 2milly which is 4 5 6xs his career high payday... so I’m very interested to hear what number Tank was offered from Dazn that PBC could not match
Charlo gotta cross the street despite facts ... Tank gotta cross the street despite facts... all PBC 147 gotta cross the street AND accept 2 million less that the 2019 version of Amir Khan... Why is it always outta your fingers that PBC must cross the street N it’s never the other way around?
Do you have any posts where you suggest someone must fight on fox or showtime with the same energy in your post a lil bit ago ... I’d love to see it friend
If Davis would have made 5m then Farmer would have made at least 3ms too which would be 37% of the split. Even if Farmer only gets 35% he gets more. Realistic should be 35-40 cause Tank is the bigger name but Farmer is more than a run off the mill mandatory challenger who gets 30% too, they talked so much shyt, the anticipation for this would be bigger than a usual Tank fight, Farmer too even though not a star fighter is a more well known name than most if not all of Davis' opponents so far.
So I base on those numbers that the offer must have been higher.
Do I think Farmer should be feeilng himself so much to say a 2m offer is low balling to him? Hell no. I didn't say Farmer would be perfect or anything just that at he same time Davis, or in the other situation Charlo aren't entitled to have their "opponents" bend their way, cut out the bullshyt about where you never gonna fight, where the other fighter has to come to fight you just follow the most lucrative offer god damn it.
"Why is it always outta your fingers that PBC must cross the street N it’s never the other way around?"
Because in the recent situations I saw it looks like it would have been both easier and more lucrative for the PBC fighter to cross street than the other way around. Also because they are the ones claiming they are free agents and their own bosses who are not tied down. We are not stupid, we know they are valuable assets of FOX (or Showtime although it looks like they are on their way out), we know it's not that simple so why don't just say you can't cross over if you can't? And if you can why prohibit yourself from doing so and demanding the other to come to you?
In case they can work together like ESPN and PBC with co-PPVs I don't call for them to cross street. For example if Bud vs Spence would have to happen somewhere I think it's reasonable for Arum to let Crawford fight on FOX rather than Spence on ESPN. They will most likely do a co-PPV though if it happens so they both get a slice. Now PBC and DAZN can't do that they have no avenue to work together. Still they have to solve it somehow if we want to see fights between the best of DAZN and PBC right? So the only logical way to decide is that the one who offers a more lucrative deal gets to host it imo.
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reservoirdogs
Superstar
Recent Heavyweight Momentum Warrants Generational Perspective
By Lyle Fitzsimmons
Published On Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:03 AM EST
I’m in a heavyweight state of mind.
And given the recent deluge of big men carrying gaudy belts, it’s no coincidence.
WBC kingpin Deontay Wilder vaporizes Luis Ortiz with a single right-hand shot one weekend, then Anthony Joshua regains his position as “governor” of the division – according to Eddie Hearn, at least – with a workmanlike 12-round clinic against a too fat, too happy Andy Ruiz that regained him the cadre of belts (IBF/IBO/WBA/WBO) the Snickers-toting Californian had snatched away last June.
Until they actually fight each other – or at least both measure themselves against a common world-class benchmark, like Tyson Fury – it’ll be impossible to convincingly say which man is better.
This being boxing, of course, don’t expect that obstacle to stop anyone from trying to do it anyway.
Certainly not me.
So in that spirit of championship-level conjecture – and given the fact I’m about to enter my seventh decade on the planet – I decided to look back at the men who’ve taken turns as the world’s consensus No. 1 heavyweight since I drew my first chilly breaths back in the final few weeks of winter 1969.
Let the alternative facts begin…
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1. Larry Holmes – The most underappreciated champion in the division’s history, regardless of generation. He’d not have beaten a prime Muhammad Ali from the 1960s, but compared only with the versions of “The Greatest” from 1969 and beyond, there’s no one who matched Larry’s completeness.
2. Lennox Lewis – Might have lost to Riddikk Bowe on both men’s best professional nights, but otherwise did a clean-up job on the division that Rock Newman’s mercurial charge was unable to fashion. A big man’s heart and wonderful technique far outlasted an occasionally balky chin.
3. Muhammad Ali – Fought them all. Beat them all. Sometimes a showman. Sometimes a shadow. But always a brave and tough warrior who possessed far more mettle than his persona might have indicated. He relied on that in the 1970s, but had the best prime of any heavyweight who ever lived.
4. Wladimir Klitschko – A mammoth big man who could box and punch and did so regularly while compiling a lengthier title run than any man not named Louis or Holmes. It wasn’t the golden age of heavyweights by any stretch, but he did what he was supposed to do against nearly every foe.
5. Riddikk Bowe – If Ali is the greatest of all time and Holmes the most underappreciated, then Bowe comes in as the most enigmatic. His post-Holyfield body of work is a pock mark, but the version of the “Big Daddy” who fought from November 1992 to May 1993 is as good as there’s been.
6. George Foreman – On the winning and losing ends of two of the division’s most dramatic moments – losing to Ali in Zaire and decking the overconfident Michael Moorer 20 years later in Las Vegas. Jim Lampley’s call of the latter stunner is as good as it gets.
7. Evander Holyfield – Got more out of a smallish physique than anyone outside of Atlanta ever predicted and dominated a still-dangerous Mike Tyson long after most figured his best days had passed. Still went on for another decade past vintage, including a screw-job against circus act Nikolay Valuev.
8a. Deontay Wilder – Is he a fundamental work of art? Absolutely not. But what he possesses – length, speed and simply obnoxious power – would provide a difficult test for anything less than the upper tier of the past 50 years. As he said, they’d have to be perfect for 12 rounds, he’d need only two seconds.
8b. Tyson Fury – Whereas Wilder’s body of work is a bit longer and more highlight worthy, Fury gets this position based on two nights’ effort. His herky-jerky torment of Klitschko was a masterpiece, but he loses points for not following it up. That said, he gave Wilder all he wanted, too, and should do so again.
10. Mike Tyson – As menacing and violent as there’s ever been while intimidating a laundry list of foes into early defeat. Still, he took advantage of a so-so division in his prime and was no better than an also-ran against fellow elites like Holyfield and Lewis. Elite champs overcome distractions. He never did.
11. Anthony Joshua – I’ll admit it, I thought AJ was destined to be the boss of the current three-headed monster atop the division. But the Ruiz loss scared me, and the rematch win – while tactically sound and necessary – hasn’t convinced me he’ll stand up to a Wilder or Fury down the line. Need more proof.
12. Joe Frazier – A solid pro, sure, but probably the most historically overrated high-end heavy. Was a perfect foil for Ali, but did wind up 1-4 with three KO losses against his two best foes, with a whole lot of cannon fodder elsewhere. Don’t agree? Tell me then, beyond Ali, who did he beat that no one else did?
13. Vitali Klitschko – A big man who made as remarkable a comeback from four years off as there’s ever been outside of Ali. That said, he would likely be out-gunned by the best fighters close to his own size and out-slicked by the quickest and most powerful smaller ones.
14. Buster Douglas – For 10 rounds on one night in Japan was among the best heavyweights of all time, but never replicated the effort in any subsequent fights. Too lazy and too fat against Holyfield, stupidly costing himself even more money than he raked in. Ah, what could have been.
15. Michael Moorer – A frightening 175-pounder who was inspired to one great heavyweight moment with Teddy Atlas calling the shots against Holyfield. The loss to Foreman, though, curtailed what might have been an interesting mid-90s run. He and Tyson would have been a fun watch.
16. Michael Spinks – The most successful prototype for modern light heavyweights wanting to move up for a shot at bigger paychecks, using guile to topple an old Holmes and talent to handle an overmatched c00ney. Loss to Tyson, however, showed he didn’t truly belong with the division’s best.
17. Hasim Rahman – A one-hit wonder who inspired Foreman to celebratory song in South Africa, but was brought back to reality by a rededicated Lewis after his “Ocean’s Eleven” star turn was complete. A solid second-tier heavyweight with name value even 10 years later. But not a memorable champ.
18. Leon Spinks – Became a late-70s sensation with one stunning night in Las Vegas, then gave it all back seven months later in what should have been Ali’s goodbye. Forty-plus years later, though, he remains the undisputed champion of toothless grins.
What an idiot
So many things are wrong with this ranking that I doN't even know where to start. Maybe with Fury, Wilder and AJ rated higher than Frazier and Vitali, especially Frazier.
Bowe rated higher than Foreman.
Fury and Wilder rated higher than Tyson.
and so on
have you ever watched his wsb amateur fights?
The problem is guys like Farmer and Andrade don't make these paydays without a PBC fighter. Andrade can't even get a DAZN fighter in the ring with him, but since Charlo is a free agent he has to go over there and build up thier app. They can get more exposure fighting on Fox in front of millions of viewers. Charlo has Eubanks, Drevenchenko, and Hurd lined up when he moves up. Tank got Leo, Mares, etc. on the PBC side.
Gary Russell is also a free agent (dont think he is with Haymon anymore). Why don't they make that fight? Because neither guy is a draw. Why fight on the B side of the promotions platform?
If Charlo was going to fight on DAZN it would be vs Canelo or GGG. Tank only needs to fight outside of the PBC vs Lomenchenko, and that would most likely be a cross promotion.
Usually if a fight makes me fall asleep I'll give it the boring and trash label. AJ boxed well, doesnt change the entertainment factor.