The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread

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The nightmares were meant to be more than just typical nightmares. The movie has another Flash show up for fukk's sake. It doesnt have to be 100% realistic. Like really? An alien and Amazon but the foreshadowing for a major threat is hard to believe?

It only plays into part of the motivation for the Justice League. Bruce knows Lex knows something's up. And Batman is ready to put his faith back into mankind and his trust into metahumans. The point of the Justice League coming together is to prove that there are good men. The set up was really fukkin great but yall want to nitpick like "b but it was just a dream" knowing damn well as an audience we know there's more to it
Or you could just admit the truth that DC is fully pressing down the gas to try and get that Avengers money so the development process of all of this is accelerated and the founding of the Justice League was flimsy at best here because it needed to happen quick so we can have their movie at the end of next year.

I was defending them before I saw this movie but If they're gonna copy elements of the Marvel cinematic universe perhaps they should take their time as Marvel did instead of going full throttle. It really does feel like they're rushing through the process.
 

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Or you could just admit the truth that DC is fully pressing down the gas to try and get that Avengers money so the development process of all of this is accelerated and the founding of the Justice League was flimsy at best here because it needed to happen quick so we can have their movie at the end of next year.

I was defending them before I saw this movie but If they're gonna copy elements of the Marvel cinematic universe perhaps they should take their time as Marvel did instead of going full throttle. It really does feel like they're rushing through the process.

In all fairness.... lets not do this breh.... lets not throw anythng Avengers stuff in this altogether....

Lets keep this DC and discuss this movie or at worst the other DC movies in existence
 

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This movie isn't trash or bad it was actually good as fukk for the first hour but they kept throwing cornynscenes and characters were never fully developed making you have to guess their motivation which made a lot of the plot forced near the second half to the end.

I think it's moreso that this movie had the potential to be sooooooo much better than it was but writing and what not pretty much shot itself in the foot.
 

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There is more to the dream you're right. But the point here is not the dream itself it's the events that followed where the plot didn't follow with what the writers were making Ben Affleck say. They made it seem like it was conspiracy and that Batman is going loco.

You gotta have certaintybwith something as complex as that scene or else the audience as a whole, comic fans or not, are gonna be confused as shyt.

Well thats kind of the point. Whatever is coming is more supposed to be this big uncertainty. Maybe it is Batman going off of a hunch but now that he's aware of all these other superpowered beings like Superman rather than view them as a threat he wants to bring them together to prepare for this unknown. Preparing for the unknown is Batman's specialty

The film is left unresolved in the sense that it leaves a lot of stuff opened for the future DCEU movies. Like was the Flash moment really a dream or was it real? Was it the Flash from the future or was it from another dimension? How does Luthor know all the information he knows? What drove him crazy? Why is Lois Lane the "key"? And the biggest one: who is the he that is coming? (Which most fans know already)

These are all issues set up for the next movies
 
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Or you could just admit the truth that DC is fully pressing down the gas to try and get that Avengers money so the development process of all of this is accelerated and the founding of the Justice League was flimsy at best here because it needed to happen quick so we can have their movie at the end of next year.

I was defending them before I saw this movie but If they're gonna copy elements of the Marvel cinematic universe perhaps they should take their time as Marvel did instead of going full throttle. It really does feel like they're rushing through the process.

Did they press the gas on this? Yes. I felt some parts were rushed too but overall as a film I felt it did a good job of developing the characters and setting up the DCEU
 

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Man even the footage of Aquaman was weird as hell. Dude starred at the camera for like 20 seconds, second guessed whether or not to stab the camera with his Trident, about to stab it, holds back again, then stabs it and swims off at 100mph... :dahell:
 

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The acting was good for the most part and the action scenes were fantastic.

The story was shaky at times but no movie is perfect. The trailer told the movie which was a big problem but I give it a 8/10
 

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In all fairness.... lets not do this breh.... lets not throw anythng Avengers stuff in this altogether....

Lets keep this DC and discuss this movie or at worst the other DC movies in existence
That wasn't about The Avengers itself as much as it's about DC's accelerate attempt to respond to it hurting the quality of their plot.
 

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Its nothing we couldn't have guessed...but it explains the "why" it was in the movie.
This theory.....oh shyt! :ohhh:
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*SPOILER WARNING*

If you’ve seen Batman v Superman this past weekend then, like me, you most likely had many more questions than answers about the future of the DC Universe. Ever since I saw the early showings Thursday night, something about the Knightmare Sequence was troubling me. I had to see it again, but now I’ve worked out all the flaws in my theory. HERE IS YOUR SECOND SPOILER WARNING.

Let me start off by addressing the criticism that this particular sequence has gotten. I’ve seen many reviews saying that this really felt out of place, and that the Flash’s reveal here seemed shoehorned. Now to the laymen, this might seem the case. Unfortunately, that became a reoccurring theme (that you needed a strong prior index of DC knowledge going in). But have no fear, this sequence was perfectly placed in the movie. Hear me out, and I think you might agree.

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In the Knightmare sequence, we see a war-torn environment not too far off from the world we see in such nuclear apocalyptic games such as Fallout New Vegas or settings like the Book of Eli: basically a big desert waste land with deteriorating buildings from what one can only assume is the remainder of Gotham or Metropolis. Right off the bat (pun intended), we see the Omega Symbol. This little tidbit didn’t come as too much of a surprise, because the still image was released before the movie’s debut. However, it comes to play a very important role in this theory. Next we see Batman, who at this point has become a hardened killer (because really what’s the point of a no kill rule when everybody’s already dead) come up to inspect a semi-truck load with who can only be assumed to be the Sons of Batman, or at the least background characters meant to mirror them. There’s a box in the back of the truck which opens up to reveal a glowing green light and the audience thinks “oh okay, it’s kryptonite” right around the time you realize it was all a set up. Cue the Sons of Superman coming in fighting alongside Parademons from Apokolips (oh yes, that is definitely what they are). They basically murder the Sons of Batman and capture Batman. The next part of the sequence is Batman being chained up, Superman personally executing the remaining Sons of Batman, and then murdering the Bat himself.

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Cue one of the most important scenes for the Justice League and the foundation of this theory.A rift opens up in time and space in front of him in the Batcave, waking Bruce from the dream (of sorts), and the Flash makes an appearance. “BRUCE!” he screams, halfway through the portal/halfway still in “LISTEN TO ME RIGHT NOW! IT’S LOIS! LOIS LANE! SHE’S THE KEY!”. Then his voice begins to falter. But still yelling he cries, “AM I TOO SOON? TOO SOON. YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT HIM; YOU WERE ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT HIM. FEAR HIM! FEAR HIM AND FIND US YOU HAVE TO FIND US BRUCE!”. Then with a loud crack as suddenly as he appeared, he vanishes into the portal, and Bruce wakes up at his desk for a second time.

Now the viewer is left stunned, not knowing how much of what Bruce just saw was real or a dream. I’m about to explain the theory, but there’s still some other parts of the movie that we need to briefly address. At one point during the Doomsday fight, WonderWoman said she has “fought monsters before”. If you read into Thymescira, the Island of the Amazons, it’s no secret they know all about the Gods of New Genesis (suffice to say for now that this means she’s in the know about a certain someone this theory revolves around). At the end of the movie, Lex Luthor is trying to convey to Batman that something is in motion, and it is already too late for the world. He keeps talking about the announcement of Superman’s death, and how it has reached the other important beings in space now that there is no one left to protect Earth from whatever it is that’s coming. When Cyborg is revealed in this film we see a MotherBox form into his tech, bringing him alive. At this point you probably see where I’m going with this if you know about some iterations of the Justice Leagues formation, particularly in the Animated Films. But, here is the Knightmare Theory in full.

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What we saw in Bruce’s Knightmare was NOT a dream sequence that symbolized his internal fear of what Superman will become if left unchecked; rather, Bruce Wayne himself mistakes the sequence for this at the time. What were actually occurring were Bruce’s memories from a parallel timeline collapsing in on themselves, similar to the seizures the Flash experiences in the story Flashpoint. The reason why Superman was fighting alongside Parademons, why we see an omega symbol burned into the earth, and why they showed us a MotherBox in cyborg's sequence was to foreshadow the coming of Darksied. Darksied, for those who don’t follow the comics, is a demi-God ruler of a hellish planet (and I mean that very literally) whose power level frequently goes well above Superman's. His ultimate goal is to control the universe. To accomplish this he seeks out planets with life and invades them with devices called MotherBoxes, technology that among other things allows intergalactic travel instantaneously. He terraforms and/or destroys the planet, steals its resources for himself, captures every living thing, and organically changes it on a molecular scale into monsters called Parademons. Parademons serve and die for him. Then he uses parademons to invade the next planet. He also gains followers who he does not turn into monsters by using an Anti-Life Equation; something that works with a similar property to a magic possession spell, that when exposed to forces you to serve Darksied. If that doesn’t give you an idea of how bad news this guy is, let me just say that the only time the Justice League in comics have ever actually defeated him (instead of just sending him back to where he came from), it ripped apart time and space while collapsing reality in an event called Final Crisis.

The coming of Darksied was actually what Bruce was seeing in the Knightmare sequence. The reason Superman was acting the way he was is because Darksied sees the Man of Steel as too strong of an asset to simply kill. Rather, he wants to use the Anti-Life equation to force Superman to work for him. This is what has happened in the Knightmare sequence. Superman has either by choice or by force been made to work for Darksied. When the Flash appears to Bruce, he is not warning Bruce about an out of control Superman; he is warning him about Darksied. He says Lois Lane is the key, which she hardly was in this movie, and that Bruce should “fear him”. One of the most critical pieces of evidence for this theory we receive is Flash asks if he’s “too soon”. He was. The death of Superman had not happened yet so Bruce would not understand the coming of Darksied. He mistakes it for Superman trying to rule earth. This is why at the end of the movie, Bruce explains to Diana (Wonderwoman) that he still wants to find the other Heroes, even if they’re not ready to be found. He states “has a feeling” that something else is still coming. Nice feeling Bruce, Flash screamed it at you.

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Everything Lex Luthor says at the end of the movie correlates with this theory as well. Lex knows all too well about Darksied. This is why he was practically crying when he was talking to Batman about it. Lex had seen the data from the universe on the Kryptonion ship’s database, and had asked the computer to teach him about it. Lex goes on and on at the end about how news of the death of Superman had already been spread further than earth. He even mentions “he’s hungry” when he is warning Batman about what’s out there. Cyborg's scene showed that Motherboxes are already on earth and are operational. The symbolism of the painting in Lex Luthor’s home about the devils coming from the sky is not completely about Superman. It’s about Darksied’s invaders and lieutenants. When Lex realized he would not be able to control Doomsday, he had lost faith that humanity has any angels from the ground to fight for them.

So whenever I hear people criticizing the Knightmare sequence for seemingly being out of place, or the best one I’ve heard is it looks like an after credits scene, I agree with them. It’s like that on purpose. It’s why Flash was pointing out that he was too soon. The reason Bruce has his parallel memories collapse in on him at such a weird time is because of the Flash appearing to him at the wrong time. Flash was “too soon” and so were the memories. Fear not though Junior Justice Members, the Batman seems to be on the case by the end of the movie. Wonderwoman is right behind him which is good, because our favorite heroes are going to need all the help they can get for what’s coming.
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The acting was good for the most part and the action scenes were fantastic.

The story was shaky at times but no movie is perfect. The trailer told the movie which was a big problem but I give it a 8/10
Yea I don't know why they showed Doomsday in the trailer..
 

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This movie isn't trash or bad it was actually good as fukk for the first hour but they kept throwing cornynscenes and characters were never fully developed making you have to guess their motivation which made a lot of the plot forced near the second half to the end.

I think it's moreso that this movie had the potential to be sooooooo much better than it was but writing and what not pretty much shot itself in the foot.
I would say this movie is slightly better than the Matrix Revolutions. That's a very good comparison for it. The fights are great and the rest is boring.
 
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