The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread

[Daniel.]

Just watched Justice League War on Netflix and Flashpoint Paradox came up in the related. Bout to appreciate this movie so much more with the references

 

[Dank Hill]

it was iight. I thought batman don't kill people

I like punisher batman tho

Everyone was right with that Lex casting, dude just didn't look the part

 

[YeLovesBoston]

it was iight. I thought batman don't kill people

I like punisher batman tho

Everyone was right with that Lex casting, dude just didn't look the part

He doesn't but this Batman is an older one who's been hardened over the years and who gives less fukks now.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

That's why I don't understand the people criticizing that Bruce scene at the end on some "So he just knows something bad is coming for no apparent reason?". It's like did you watch the movie

A lot of shyt people have issue with (not saying everything) was explained or hinted at IN the movie FFS.

My problem was the exact opposite. Why does Bruce say he has just a feeling when he had a goddamn vision and a warning from a person from the future.

But I think that casual brehs probably have no fukking idea that the vision and warning are setting up Darkseid and believe they just refer to Bats' fear for an evil Superman, and that's why they don't get it.

I think the context of how it presented itself was flawed and people who watched the movie have a legit feeling of confusion or dismissal about it. Hear me out.'

If you're gonna do this "he had a vision" thing..... I think they shouldve had it more when he was like in the real world vs it being some type of nightmare.

This nicca had like 3 nightmares in this movie and its evident that maybe from 20 years of fighting sick psychopaths in Gotham, he's probably had his fair share of nightmares.... so what would really make that different from the one of a batmonster attacking him? I mean drop your knowledge of the direction is going and think for a moment.... is that supposed to be a sign too or just a dream.

I think it wouldve been more effective if that "warning" scene wasnt a dream but something that REALLY happened that could really shake him up on some "SON WHAT THA fukk MAN!" type shyt. But instead, its like that dude woke up like "oh.... just another nightmare" and then went about his business and didnt look back

When he dismisses it.... it will make the audience who aint in the know dismiss it... and even the ones in the know..... we still dont have solid confirmation its going the way yall THINK its gonna go.... just speculation at this point

 

[winb83]

Personally I don't blame Zack Smyder. It's the writers. They take so much time setting up the chess pieces and really the plot isn't that complex. There's also minimal character development. They need to work on Superman's characterization. He's still the exact same that he was in Man of Steel and to me it was ok in that movie but he needs to develop into a more defined person instead of being an unsure, uncertain, introverted emo. He should have a character arc instead of being a static character.

Another problem I have with the movie is how Batman and Superman inevitably come together. It was effin stupid even for a movie with as bad a plot as this one had.

Lex was ineffective not because of who and how he was played but because they never went into why he was doing what he was doing. He was a bad guy for the sake of being a bad guy. Never ween any deeper than that.

There were several weird dream sequences that happened in the movie and they were awkward. There's even a part where they damn near break way from everything and pitch mini-trailers for the other I guess founding members of the Justice League. Also the way they set up the "dawn" of the Justice League at the end of the movie is dumb as hell. In the Avengers the team was founded as a response to an actual threat. Here basically a character basically suggest they make the team for the hell of it just because they have a hunch. Not as a response to a present danger.

They need new writers. Snyder's direction style isn't my problem.

Also about Batman (minor spoiler about the character more than the plot of the movie)

Spoiler

He obviously and knowingly kills people by putting them in situations they'll clearly die in. He also doesn't seem the least bit bothered by it. He's clearly gone over the edge at the point we meet him.

 

[YeLovesBoston]

Personally I don't blame Zack Smyder. It's the writers. They take so much time setting up the chess pieces and really the plot isn't that complex. There's also minimal character development. They need to work on Superman's characterization. He's still the exact same that he was in Man of Steel and to me it was ok in that movie but he needs to develop into a more defined person instead of being an unsure, uncertain, introverted emo. He should have a character arc instead of being a static character.

Another problem I have with the movie is how Batman and Superman inevitably come together. It was effin stupid even for a movie with as bad a plot as this one had.

Lex was ineffective not because of who and how he was played but because they never went into why he was doing what he was doing. He was a bad guy for the sake of being a bad guy. Never ween any deeper than that.

There were several weird dream sequences that happened in the movie and they were awkward. There's even a part where they damn near break way from everything and pitch mini-trailers for the other I guess founding members of the Justice League. Also the way they set up the "dawn" of the Justice League at the end of the movie is dumb as hell. In the Avengers the team was founded as a response to an actual threat. Here basically a character basically suggest they make the team for the hell of it just because they have a hunch. Not as a response to a present danger.

They need new writers. Snyder's direction style isn't my problem.

Also about Batman (minor spoiler about the character more than the plot of the movie)

Spoiler

He obviously and knowingly kills people by putting them in situations they'll clearly die in. He also doesn't seem the least bit bothered by it. He's clearly gone over the edge at the point we meet him.

Or maybe it just went way over your head. They are creating a team ti fight a danger. They heavily foreshadow Darkseid in this movie

Batman's dreams, Lex Luthor's gods speech, and Lex Luthor saying hes coming after his meeting with Batman. Batman straight up tells Wonder Woman "they'll have to fight."

On top of that its Superman's sacrifice thats going to bring them together. If you didn't understand that you missed a major part of the film which is Batman's character arc.

"Men are still good"

 

[Brandsdale]

Bruce's workout before he went to fukk up Superman

 

[winb83]

Or maybe it just went way over your head. They are creating a team ti fight a danger. They heavily foreshadow Darkseid in this movie

Batman's dreams, Lex Luthor's gods speech, and Lex Luthor saying hes coming after his meeting with Batman. Batman straight up tells Wonder Woman "they'll have to fight."

On top of that its Superman's sacrifice thats going to bring them together. If you didn't understand that you missed a major part of the film which is Batman's character arc.

"Men are still good"

We better get people with super powers together and form a team because something is eventually gonna happen down the line. That's pretty much what happened.

That's beyond something happening because the plot requires it. Obviously a Justice League movie requires that team but they could have had a more organic founding of the idea of it. Marvel did that way better.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Or maybe it just went way over your head. They are creating a team ti fight a danger. They heavily foreshadow Darkseid in this movie

Batman's dreams, Lex Luthor's gods speech, and Lex Luthor saying hes coming after his meeting with Batman. Batman straight up tells Wonder Woman "they'll have to fight."

On top of that its Superman's sacrifice thats going to bring them together. If you didn't understand that you missed a major part of the film which is Batman's character arc.

"Men are still good"

I think people get all that.... but at the end of the day it was just a "dream" that's leading to all that... not something that actually happened or more credible or solid evidence.... just a "nightmare" and rambling of a guy who was already kinda unhinged and now is completely mad.

I think they should've did something more concrete..... dont let Batman's "visions" be feelings.... something shouldve really happened in his reality. Maybe let us see Bat get access to the alien ship and learn what Lex learned.... give us something more.

I'm not nitpicking myself per say... but I can see both sides of the argument and the ones that kinda are in the know are suffering from the "curse of knowledge" with their "how do you not know this" vibe

 

[YeLovesBoston]

We better get people with super powers together and form a team because something is eventually gonna happen down the line. That's pretty much what happened.

That's beyond something happening because the plot requires it. Obviously a Justice League movie requires that team but they could have had a more organic founding of the idea of it. Marvel did that way better.

Let me dumb it down for you

A major threat coming to Earth has been foreshadowed. Batman, inspired once again by the sacrifice of Superman, wants to gather all the superhumans to fight this threat.

 

[Brandsdale]

Personally I don't blame Zack Smyder. It's the writers. They take so much time setting up the chess pieces and really the plot isn't that complex. There's also minimal character development. They need to work on Superman's characterization. He's still the exact same that he was in Man of Steel and to me it was ok in that movie but he needs to develop into a more defined person instead of being an unsure, uncertain, introverted emo. He should have a character arc instead of being a static character.

Another problem I have with the movie is how Batman and Superman inevitably come together. It was effin stupid even for a movie with as bad a plot as this one had.

Lex was ineffective not because of who and how he was played but because they never went into why he was doing what he was doing. He was a bad guy for the sake of being a bad guy. Never ween any deeper than that.

There were several weird dream sequences that happened in the movie and they were awkward. There's even a part where they damn near break way from everything and pitch mini-trailers for the other I guess founding members of the Justice League. Also the way they set up the "dawn" of the Justice League at the end of the movie is dumb as hell. In the Avengers the team was founded as a response to an actual threat. Here basically a character basically suggest they make the team for the hell of it just because they have a hunch. Not as a response to a present danger.

They need new writers. Snyder's direction style isn't my problem.

Also about Batman (minor spoiler about the character more than the plot of the movie)

Spoiler

He obviously and knowingly kills people by putting them in situations they'll clearly die in. He also doesn't seem the least bit bothered by it. He's clearly gone over the edge at the point we meet him.

Very agreed

Spoiler

When Clark mention Martha while.Bruce has his foot on his throat it was kinda of like the easy way out for writing purposes and timing so that they could get to the real story, which I get but it was HELLA rushed. They could have at least put them in a situation where they were forced to fight together and then form a truce.

The whole mini trailer with the other JL members was forced and the writers should have only hinting it, they jumped the gun with that instead of teasing it. That's what I like a lot about Marvel, Kevin Feige only subtely throws Easter eggs in the films so that the audience can have their own interpretatikn and get excited and when the next movie comes he delivers on that Easter egg.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

at the condescending tones being shot out

niccas..... lol

 

[Arishok]

Or maybe it just went way over your head. They are creating a team ti fight a danger. They heavily foreshadow Darkseid in this movie

Batman's dreams, Lex Luthor's gods speech, and Lex Luthor saying hes coming after his meeting with Batman. Batman straight up tells Wonder Woman "they'll have to fight."

On top of that its Superman's sacrifice thats going to bring them together. If you didn't understand that you missed a major part of the film which is Batman's character arc.

"Men are still good"

I don't think people realize the weight of Superman, the most powerful being they knew, is dead. Of course that would make them go "things out there can kill Supes, maybe we should work together and be on the alert."

 

[winb83]

Let me dumb it down for you

A major threat coming to Earth has been foreshadowed. Batman, inspired once again by the sacrifice of Superman, wants to gather all the superhumans to fight this threat.

The Justice League was founded because a guy had a couple weird dream and listened to the mad ramblings of a trust fund baby who was locked up and snotting all over himself.

 

[YeLovesBoston]

I think people get all that.... but at the end of the day it was just a "dream" that's leading to all that... not something that actually happened or more credible or solid evidence.... just a "nightmare" and rambling of a guy who was already kinda unhinged and now is completely mad.

I think they should've did something more concrete..... dont let Batman's "visions" be feelings.... something shouldve really happened in his reality. Maybe let us see Bat get access to the alien ship and learn what Lex learned.... give us something more.

I'm not nitpicking myself per say... but I can see both sides of the argument and the ones that kinda are in the know are suffering from the "curse of knowledge" with their "how do you not know this" vibe

That is nit

I don't think people realize the weight of Superman, the most powerful being they knew, is dead. Of course that would make them go "things out there can kill Supes, maybe we should work together and be on the alert."

Honestly I can say a lot of shyt for the MCU but I can enjoy a movie

This is people actively finding shyt to nitpick and overblow