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Alright, brehs, the media blackout begins now. I'll talk to you all in this thread next weekend. Until then, I'm out. 
The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread
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TheGodling
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It's not incorrect because he never bothers. In the OG Avengers movie and in Age Of Ultron you can clearly see them prioritizing the safety of the people around them first and foremost. It doesn't mean they can save everyone, and indeed lives are lost, but they bothered. Regardless of whatever hamfisted scenes MoS employs to give that idea of character development (killing Zod is one of them because nothing feels natural about that entire setup, his vow to the general is another because he's talking about the general needing to trust him after he just completely destroyed the drone tracking him), it never sells. Even the "he's just starting out" excuse is kinda weak because the movie does establish he's been helping out here and there all over the world (like the oil rig), but again no sells it because that's about the first and the last time we really see him bother (up until that awful Zod scene).
And the fact that the sequel is trying to fix it only shows they're acknowledging they mishandled it. Similar to how in the Netflix Marvel shows they keep bringing up many people died and how extensive the damage was during the battle in New York as a reaction to people complaining the movie brushed over it too much, the other side of the coin. And it's good that they are trying to put things in context and fix it, but that doesn't mean I give them a pass for getting it wrong out of the gate.
And again, there are a ton of problems with the whole movie that extend far beyond Supes' characterization so in the end it's always a sum of parts to why the movie is complete crap, but that one probably hurts the most because it is such a simple thing to show him caring, or at least being bothered, but they all make it completely about his anger.
TheGodling
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You know I never thought about it like that.
Shut. The.fukk.up.
I'm just kindly responding to the breh's kindly response to my kindly response to another breh's question.
Which, now that I think about it, almost sounds like a discussion, which is something that definitely sounds like the kind of thing that might happen on a message board.
Now one could argue the discussion is outplayed and whatnot, but one could also argue that if you feel that way you could just ignore it like other folks are doing and let the people who do want to participate in the conversation do their thing instead of bytching about it like a whiny kid.
Kindly shut the fukk up.I'm just kindly responding to the breh's kindly response to my kindly response to another breh's question.
Which, now that I think about it, almost sounds like a discussion, which is something that definitely sounds like the kind of thing that might happen on a message board.
Now one could argue the discussion is outplayed and whatnot, but one could also argue that if you feel that way you could just ignore it like other folks are doing and let the people who do want to participate in the conversation do their thing instead of bytching about it like a whiny kid.
TheGodling
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I see you've finally come out and admitted you're just a marvel stan with that avi
Nope!
Guess my exposal finally made you accept it
TheGodling
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I see you've finally come out and admitted you're just a marvel stan with that avi
Guess my exposal finally made you accept it
Nah, I'm just working #fools like yourself into a shoot.
I think you missed the ultimate point.... he cannot save EVERYONE and fight Zod at the same time. Unless you suggest how he CAN, please tell me. The problem you seem not understanding is you got two superpowered beings fighting.... it is useless to fight him in some empty construction sight because that said person intend is fight you right at that location OR start killing off people at will. BYSTANDERS just have to take the collateral damage to which Superman tried to limit yet, you are dealing with someone that could care less and doing MOST of the damage...such as the laser rays seen that toppled a skyscraper. Killing Zod is a character development for THIS film, BvS. In fact your entire complaint is being addressed and is the central POINT to the motivations of both Batman and Lex Luthor..... that is THEIR argument. But killing Zod was for a season it was either that or him killing humans and he made that choice and screamed in agony over it immediately... but you feel that he's supposedly apathetic.
You acting as if he had an OPTION to either fight Zod or save lives when he had no option BUT to fight Zod because he was going to SLAUGHTER everyone. If he could of remove Zod outside of the area he most likely would, but HOW.... this isn't Superman II where that version of Zod only wants SUPERMAN and therefore willing to fly wherever he goes. Zod made it clear that because all of his people are gone that he's going to kill every human.... it is a damned be damned situation. And again, mentioning AVENGERS is moot because CIVIL WAR addresses the SAME THING with WORST collateral damage than in MoS. Tens of thousands have been killed in many parts of the WORLD because of the actions of the Avengers, yes they tried to save SOME... but how you going to SIT there and claim that Superman acted like he didn't care of the number of lives lost when you got THIS scene??
TheGodling
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I think you missed the ultimate point.... he cannot save EVERYONE and fight Zod at the same time. Unless you suggest how he CAN, please tell me. The problem you seem not understanding is you got two superpowered beings fighting.... it is useless to fight him in some empty construction sight because that said person intend is fight you right at that location OR start killing off people at will. BYSTANDERS just have to take the collateral damage to which Superman tried to limit yet, you are dealing with someone that could care less and doing MOST of the damage...such as the laser rays seen that toppled a skyscraper. Killing Zod is a character development for THIS film, BvS. In fact your entire complaint is being addressed and is the central POINT to the motivations of both Batman and Lex Luthor..... that is THEIR argument. But killing Zod was for a season it was either that or him killing humans and he made that choice and screamed in agony over it immediately... but you feel that he's supposedly apathetic.
You acting as if he had an OPTION to either fight Zod or save lives when he had no option BUT to fight Zod because he was going to SLAUGHTER everyone. If he could of remove Zod outside of the area he most likely would, but HOW.... this isn't Superman II where that version of Zod only wants SUPERMAN and therefore willing to fly wherever he goes. Zod made it clear that because all of his people are gone that he's going to kill every human.... it is a damned be damned situation. And again, mentioning AVENGERS is moot because CIVIL WAR addresses the SAME THING with WORST collateral damage than in MoS. Tens of thousands have been killed in many parts of the WORLD because of the actions of the Avengers, yes they tried to save SOME... but how you going to SIT there and claim that Superman acted like he didn't care of the number of lives lost when you got THIS scene??
You are missing my point. No, he could not realistically save everyone and fight Zod at the same time. But he didn't even bother to try it and that is the big issue. He never tried. I've always maintained that the destruction in their fight couldn't have been (fully) prevented, but at no point does Supes make any effort to try and avoid it either. Let's just say that Supes was completely aware of this and that's why he focused entirely on finishing the fight with Zod as quickly as possible, that reasoning should've been in the movie because that's actually a huge conflict for the character. Instead we get blank slate Supes seemingly just not caring whatsoever. Like I said before, it's such a simple thing to do and they completely missed it.
And again, the fact they're addressing it in BvS after the fact doesn't mean it's all good in hindsight. I applaud them for addressing this, but that doesn't mean they didn't fukk it up originally.
And regarding that Avengers scene, I hate it and I'm actually glad it's not in the worldwide cut of the movie (fun fact: that scene was an addition exclusively to the American theatrical cut filmed long after the movie had been completed). The OG scene where Stark, depleted from battle sorta jokes about getting shoarma later makes sorta sense in the "taking a breather after a big battle", actually showing them eating shoarma just turns it into a painful joke.
Also, during the actual battle Cap is clearly shown being occupied with saving civilians from the Chitauri, clearly showcasing they care about innocent bystanders.
