The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread

[MartyMcFly]

Please don't turn this place into the arcadium

 

[TheGodling]

Wasn't that basically the first time he's ever thrown a punch? Maybe people don't address it because for two years you've been saying that Superman caused the damage in Metropolis which is inaccurate. He was getting his ass kicked through buildings. Zod caused at least 90% of the damage but then I get hit with dumbass replies like "he should have taken Zod out of the city" like this wasn't his first encounter and he wasn't outmatched among other things like also trying to save the entire planet. Removing Zod from the city was never an option.

Y'all just nitpick shyt to death with this movie but then give other comic movies a pass where the same "issues" are prevalent.

Breh, watch the scene. He's clearly leading Zod at that point (hell, he's dominating him) and takes him directly, straight line, from an isolated farm to a heavy populated area. And because it's the first time he's thrown a punch he can't pay attention to where he's punching now? What kind of bullshyt logic is that? Oh yeah, bullshyt logic you guys decided to make up like three hours ago.

And more twisting of words, Jesus Christ. I've never said Superman caused the damage in Metropolis, but he didn't even bother to do shyt about it. You say "removing Zod was never an option" like the movie ever bothered to show him trying, and that has always been my point. At that point Zod is the only Kryptonian left, so he's not outmatched, they go blow for blow and never bothers to attempt to lead Zod away, even though Zod literally says at some point he's going to fight him until one of them is dead. In fact, Zod is the one who takes Supes up into spacem which seemed like the first place Supes could've tried to take the fight to. Too bad he never bothers as he's punching Zod around the city.

And it's not nitpicking when the issues here are far more prevalent because of the emphasis on the destruction. There's a reason this movie has been at the forefront of the 'disaster porn' discussion in movies, because no other movie has put the death of thousands so close to the viewer's face. Why didn't Godzilla get the same criticism last year? Why didn't San Andreas get the same criticism this year? Because those movies understand not to hit the audience over the head over and over again with how many people are dying and how morbid it all is.

So finally, I like to quote the man I love to quote in this discussion, comic book writer Mark Waid, writer of such highly praised Superman-stories like Kingdom Come and Superman: Birthright, the latter from which Goyer and Snyder actually borrowed some elements for the movie. Not saying his opinion necessarily means more than others, but it certainly says something.

"As the credits rolled, I told myself I was upset because Superman doesn’t kill. Full-stop, Superman doesn’t kill. But sitting there, I broke it down some more in my head because I sensed there was more to it since Superman clearly regretted killing Zod. I had to grant that the filmmakers at least went way out of their way to put Superman in a position suggesting (but hardly conclusively proving) he had no choice (and I did love Superman’s immediate-aftermath reaction to what he’d done). I granted that they’d at least tried to present Superman with an impossible choice and, on a purely rational level, and if this had been a movie about a guy named Ultraguy, I might even have bought what he did. But after I processed all that, I realized that it wasn’t so much my uncompromising vision of Superman that made this a total-fail moment for me; it was the failed lead-up TO the moment. As Superman’s having his final one-on-one battle with Zod, show me that he’s going out of his way to save people from getting caught in the middle. SHOW ME that trying to simultaneously protect humans and beat Zod is achingly, achingly costing Superman the fight. Build to that moment of the hard choice…show me, without doubt, that Superman has no other out and do a better job of convincing me that it’s a hard decision to make, and maybe I’ll give it to you. But even if I do? It’s not a victory. Not this sad, soul-darkening, utterly sans-catharsis “triumph” that doesn’t even feel like a win so much as a stop-loss. Two and a half hours, and I never once got the sense that Superman really achieved or earned anything."

Please don't turn this place into the arcadium

You're at least two years late on that one, breh. And it's funny you say that like a day after this post about the news of DuVernay walking away from Black Panther.

Oh, and just because I like to instigate like my avatar @Prodigal Syndicate

Don't turn this place into The Arcadium brehs, but make sure to tag The Film Room's very own version of @PS4 in threads trying to instigate. :incredulous:

 

[MartyMcFly]

Breh, watch the scene. He's clearly leading Zod at that point (hell, he's dominating him) and takes him directly, straight line, from an isolated farm to a heavy populated area. And because it's the first time he's thrown a punch he can't pay attention to where he's punching now? What kind of bullshyt logic is that? Oh yeah, bullshyt logic you guys decided to make up like three hours ago.

And more twisting of words, Jesus Christ. I've never said Superman caused the damage in Metropolis, but he didn't even bother to do shyt about it. You say "removing Zod was never an option" like the movie ever bothered to show him trying, and that has always been my point. At that point Zod is the only Kryptonian left, so he's not outmatched, they go blow for blow and never bothers to attempt to lead Zod away, even though Zod literally says at some point he's going to fight him until one of them is dead. In fact, Zod is the one who takes Supes up into spacem which seemed like the first place Supes could've tried to take the fight to. Too bad he never bothers as he's punching Zod around the city.

And it's not nitpicking when the issues here are far more prevalent because of the emphasis on the destruction. There's a reason this movie has been at the forefront of the 'disaster porn' discussion in movies, because no other movie has put the death of thousands so close to the viewer's face. Why didn't Godzilla get the same criticism last year? Why didn't San Andreas get the same criticism this year? Because those movies understand not to hit the audience over the head over and over again with how many people are dying and how morbid it all is.

So finally, I like to quote the man I love to quote in this discussion, comic book writer Mark Waid, writer of such highly praised Superman-stories like Kingdom Come and Superman: Birthright, the latter from which Goyer and Snyder actually borrowed some elements for the movie. Not saying his opinion necessarily means more than others, but it certainly says something.

"As the credits rolled, I told myself I was upset because Superman doesn’t kill. Full-stop, Superman doesn’t kill. But sitting there, I broke it down some more in my head because I sensed there was more to it since Superman clearly regretted killing Zod. I had to grant that the filmmakers at least went way out of their way to put Superman in a position suggesting (but hardly conclusively proving) he had no choice (and I did love Superman’s immediate-aftermath reaction to what he’d done). I granted that they’d at least tried to present Superman with an impossible choice and, on a purely rational level, and if this had been a movie about a guy named Ultraguy, I might even have bought what he did. But after I processed all that, I realized that it wasn’t so much my uncompromising vision of Superman that made this a total-fail moment for me; it was the failed lead-up TO the moment. As Superman’s having his final one-on-one battle with Zod, show me that he’s going out of his way to save people from getting caught in the middle. SHOW ME that trying to simultaneously protect humans and beat Zod is achingly, achingly costing Superman the fight. Build to that moment of the hard choice…show me, without doubt, that Superman has no other out and do a better job of convincing me that it’s a hard decision to make, and maybe I’ll give it to you. But even if I do? It’s not a victory. Not this sad, soul-darkening, utterly sans-catharsis “triumph” that doesn’t even feel like a win so much as a stop-loss. Two and a half hours, and I never once got the sense that Superman really achieved or earned anything."



You're at least two years late on that one, breh. And it's funny you say that like a day after this post about the news of DuVernay walking away from Black Panther.



Don't turn this place into The Arcadium brehs, but make sure to tag The Film Room's very own version of @PS4 in threads trying to instigate. :incredulous:

Cause he was right about Ava? lol why wouldn't I tag him? He called it along with other people

 

[MartyMcFly]

And I think calling him that is harsh breh. Especially since he's admitted to liking the movies just not liking the fanboy shyt around them and feels like the debates aren't even handed and very hypocritical. That's different than just starting shyt to start shyt or just to cheerlead

 

[EarlyMaridia]

I'm pretty sure the first fight against Zod in Smallville (again, the one he directly brought there, which none of you ever dare to address because you know your argument is fukked there) Supes had him on the ropes because Zod was new to his powers and Supes was experienced. No, he had never 'thrown hands in his entire life', he only, literally, had two decades longer than them to master his powers over Zod & co and the movie established this before the final fight. And it's funny you mention that it would have been nice to have a shot of him trying to grab someone and getting duffed in the face, because that's exactly what happened in the Hulk/Stark fight with Stark trying to move the Hulk out of the city and that giving the Hulk the opportunity to give him the beats. Which again, is storytelling 101. The 'bad guy' doesn't care about collateral damage so he causes it deliberately to sabotage the hero's attention to the fight.

And again, again and fukking again, I have never, ever, ever, said that Superman should've saved everyone. Please stop with that narrative since I've never used it.

Had him on the ropes? Zod stood up, took his mask off and hopped in the whip and left. Clark sucker punched Zod and got some lucky hits off and then proceeded to get his ass beat for the rest of the Smallville fight. He had the opportunity to save 1 helicopter pilot, because Faora and the other dude just stood in awe (literally just watching) as the military was fighting back. When they got really active, it took the same trick he used on Zod to get them to leave. All that power did nothing in that scene.


Not once did I even mention AoU, in regards to Tony vs Hulk. There are too many shots of Tony Stark trying to save everyone throughout that entire fight. I don't know how people missed it.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

How many times do we have to point to instances where Superman has killed someone before? He did it in the Donner films everyone loves, he did it in the old comics. I'm not going to shyt on Waid because he did write some great stories but I've seen that interview posted on here a bunch of times now.. and I care less and less about it.

Back to the Superman/Batman movie, I'm done discussing Man of Steel for now. It's all tedious.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

How many times do we have to point to instances where Superman has killed someone before? He did it in the Donner films everyone loves, he did it in the old comics. I'm not going to shyt on Waid because he did write some great stories but I've seen that interview posted on here a bunch of times now.. and I care less and less about it.

Back to the Superman/Batman movie, I'm done discussing Man of Steel for now. It's all tedious.

I agree..... Ok people... Superman is a diabolical murderer.... get over it and move on!

 

[TheGodling]

And I think calling him that is harsh breh. Especially since he's admitted to liking the movies just not liking the fanboy shyt around them and feels like the debates aren't even handed and very hypocritical. That's different than just starting shyt to start shyt or just to cheerlead

Except there was never no 'fanboy shyt' and all the Marvel Vs. DC talk on this board literally started with his continuous rhetoric about how people supposedly were stanning MCU movies.

 

[Mickey Kane]

Who thinks the characterisation of Bruce Wayne/Batman in BvS is the way they should have gone with the sequel for the Dark Knight?

 

[wire28]

Not once did I even mention AoU, in regards to Tony vs Hulk. There are too many shots of Tony Stark trying to save everyone throughout that entire fight. I don't know how people missed it.

read up a couple posts, apparently some did, and missed the video and timestamp given of an exact instance where he literally catches the elevator and tells everybody to get off

 

[MartyMcFly]

Except there was never no 'fanboy shyt' and all the Marvel Vs. DC talk on this board literally started with his continuous rhetoric about how people supposedly were stanning MCU movies.

Word? Really? I disagree breh but okay cool. I think this particular discussion is a good one but also a tired one. Man of steel is man of steel it's done now let's move to the future.

 

[DosCadenaz]

Avengers tried to save people

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

The Last few pages remind me of Angry Joe vs. Nostalgia Critic


The way they agreed about the Zod killing....but felt that the next scene ruined it. Then how they agreed to disagree about the overall movie. NC at least understood WHY someone would like it at the end.

 

[Makavalli]

I hope batfleck got mad gadgets n shyt. Gonna need it to stand toe to toe with clark. They should have a scene where supes tosses the batmobile into the river

 

[Norrin Radd]

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