The Official AVENGERS: ENDGAME Thread (April 26, 2019) SPOILERS = BAN

[Bryan Danielson]

I get your over all point....but cats ain't sat through 18-19, whatever many movies over a decade to see street level characters fight. Because if the base line for the action in the first place is street level vs street level, then there is no escalation.

Fred.

Yes, we grew up seeing and reading cats like Captain America and even Batman fighting, standing their ground, and many cases DEFEATING countless SUPER HUMAN GOD LIKE foes.

It would be unacceptable having studios do so called “reality” based shyt where now they can’t face or stand toe to toe with them on the big screen just for the sake of “well we trynna keep it real”

If that’s the case then these aliens and monsters shouldn’t know how to speak English or communicate with the hero’s

We got movies with kids saving the world taking down “E.LE. Type villains,” some that a few of us have liked or accepted for what it was, but we can’t accept grown ups?

Martha

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

It took me a while to realize but this is the main reason I didn't like the movie. The ONLY meaningful plot of the movie is "is Thanos powerful enough to overcome the Avengers and get all the stones", yet his powers constantly vary so there's not stability to him at all.

Back when he had just 1 infinity stone he was able to absolute destroy Thor, Loki, Hulk, Heimdall, and all their men without he or any of his henchmen taking a scratch. He might not even have used a stone.

But then with 4 of the stones, freaking Doctor Strange and some lame sidekicks damn near take him down. Ironman looks like a worthy opponent even though he should be straight food. Even Captain America lands punches.

Hell, Doctor Strange got his ass handed to him by one of Thanos's lackies, but then he can take on Thanos?

Same goes for the infinity stone powers. These are supposed to be so powerful...but Thanos hardly uses him even when his quest is nearly wrecked. Why not keep using the reality stone to screw everything up for the Avengers? He seems to hardly use the stones at all. Nor do the avengers - when the movie starts they hold 3 of the stones and Thanos only holds one. But you get the idea that they don't know how to do shyt with them. Does Loki having the space stone, Doctor Strange having the time stone, or Vision having the mind stone ever help them in battle at all?

Well, Doctor Strange really is that powerful... I didn't like his origin movie much but the Russos did an incredible job with him in Infinity War.

His speed, energy projection and fighting skills are top of the line compared to some of the other Avengers.

Thanos "lackies" as you put it aren't as powerful as Thanos but they are all cosmic level threats.

Ebony Maw is a fukking PROBLEM for anyone.. he can take 2-3 Avengers by himself. @Ironman energy projection is a 6 when he's in the suit, he
can be a formidable opponent for most cats. We had been saying through the first couple movies that he ain't really at his peak yet but he is now.

Thanos wasn't using the full force of the infinity stones until the end and as you seen he snapped his fingers and that was that. That was what having the infinity gauntlet is all about. You're not just a God at that point you are pretty much the creator.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Ebony Maw is a fukking PROBLEM for anyone.. he can take 2-3 Avengers by himself.

But apparently can't maintain the integrity of his ship from foreign intrusion, can't hear for shyt, has the reaction time of a snail, and dies after like 1 second of exposure to space unlike Avengers which appear damn near immortal to space exposure.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

But apparently can't maintain the integrity of his ship from foreign intrusion, can't hear for shyt, has the reaction time of a snail, and dies after like 1 second of exposure to space unlike Avengers which appear damn near immortal to space exposure.

he only died because he got arrogant.. he played around too much. That was his downfall. It didn't matter anyway because he reached his goal. His goal and the entire Black Order is to serve Thanos because they hold the same beliefs.

 

[Luke Cage]

But apparently can't maintain the integrity of his ship from foreign intrusion, can't hear for shyt, has the reaction time of a snail, and dies after like 1 second of exposure to space unlike Avengers which appear damn near immortal to space exposure.

He low key was more powerful in the movie than in the comics.

 

[CBoz]

But apparently can't maintain the integrity of his ship from foreign intrusion, can't hear for shyt, has the reaction time of a snail, and dies after like 1 second of exposure to space unlike Avengers which appear damn near immortal to space exposure.

Only Thor has shown that, and now it looks like Captain Marvel as well. She makes sense because her powers come from the Space Stone. Asgardians are just that tough it seems, especially being the son of Odin.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Only Thor has shown that, and now it looks like Captain Marvel as well. She makes sense because her powers come from the Space Stone. Asgardians are just that tough it seems, especially being the son of Odin.

Right at that moment Doctor Strange was thrown out into space with Ebony Maw, yet he seems to suffer no ill effects.

And in the first GOTG movie both Quill and Gamora spent significant time exposed to space and were able to keep doing shyt for some time after they got out there.

So with Ebony Maw's incredible powers being completely centered around telekinesis and therefore levitation and basically flying, why can't he just telekinesis himself back into the ship? Why does he seem to become useless instantly?

 

[Luke Cage]

Right at that moment Doctor Strange was thrown out into space with Ebony Maw, yet he seems to suffer no ill effects.

And in the first GOTG movie both Quill and Gamora spent significant time exposed to space and were able to keep doing shyt for some time after they got out there.

So with Ebony Maw's incredible powers being completely centered around telekinesis and therefore levitation and basically flying, why can't he just telekinesis himself back into the ship? Why does he seem to become useless instantly?

none of what you said is accurate.

Doctor Strange was never in a full vaccuum.
Gamora was looking just like Ebony Maw, until she was revived. Peter has celestial genes and still was looking like it was going to be over.
Ebony can levitate but he never demonstrated doing at anywhere near the speed of spaceship decompression so he was sucked out before he could react. not sure why telekinesis would help him survive in a vacuum. Unless you wanted a Last Jedi moment.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

none of what you said is accurate.

Doctor Strange was never in a full vaccuum.
Gamora was looking just like Ebony Maw, until she was revived. Peter has celestial genes and still was looking like it was going to be over.
Ebony can levitate but he never demonstrated doing at anywhere near the speed of spaceship decompression so he was sucked out before he could react. not sure why telekinesis would help him survive in a vacuum. Unless you wanted a Last Jedi moment.

Ebony Maw wasn't in a "full vacuum" right away either. And he demonstrated the use of telekinesis at blinding speeds in battle, so why not then? If he could throw cars around, why couldn't he move his own body back into the ship?

Also I just looked it up and the "speed of spaceship decompression" is NOT that fast when you have a huge room and a comparatively small breech. Not if you're standing as far away from the breach as Ebony Maw was.

And even if you ignore those physics, and pretend there was some weird rule to his magic that it could be used to move himself only really slowly when he can move everything else fast....then why not move a bunch of oxygen from the ship into a little orbit around his body? Heck, a huge amount of air from the ship was just sitting out there in space. He could telekinesis his own atmosphere if he wanted to. Or move part of the ship to him to rescue him.

Gamora was out in space a long-ass time and didn't appear to suffer any lasting effects. It seemed like they were saying that oxygen is all she needed to stay alive. Okay then, why didn't Ebony Maw have 60-90 seconds to work with before he ran out of breath?

Quill was out there for damn near a minute without even oxygen as was still functioning. And whatever his Celestial life-saving powers were, they weren't strong enough for him or anyone else in his entire life to have the slightest clue that he had any powers at all, so I'm not buying that excuse.

Thor not only moved around in space but was even talking, so coming up with air out of nowhere seems to be a thing in the MCU.

And it was amusing that the speed of spaceship decompression was so impossible for Ebony Maw to overcome with the powers that he's had use of for years, but teenage spiderman had enough time to deploy the spidey legs on the suit that he had just put on for the first time minutes earlier with no instructions. And nice delays on the decompression affecting everyone completely differently.

 

[CBoz]

Ebony Maw wasn't in a "full vacuum" right away either. And he demonstrated the use of telekinesis at blinding speeds in battle, so why not then? If he could throw cars around, why couldn't he move his own body back into the ship?

And even if there was some weird rule to his magic that it could be used to move himself only really slowly when he can move everything else fast....then why not move a bunch of oxygen from the ship into a little orbit around his body? Heck, a huge amount of air from the ship was just sitting out there in space. He could telekinesis his own atmosphere if he wanted to. Or move part of the ship to him to rescue him.

Gamora was out in space a long-ass time and didn't appear to suffer any lasting effects. It seemed like they were saying that oxygen is all she needed to stay alive. Okay then, why didn't Ebony Maw have 60-90 seconds to work with before he ran out of breath?

Quill was out there for damn near a minute without even oxygen as was still functioning. And whatever his Celestial life-saving powers were, they weren't strong enough for him or anyone else in his entire life to have the slightest clue that he had any powers at all, so I'm not buying that excuse.

Thor not only moved around in space but was even talking, so coming up with air out of nowhere seems to be a thing in the MCU.

And it was amusing that the speed of spaceship decompression was so impossible for Ebony Maw to overcome with the powers that he's had use of for years, but teenage spiderman had enough time to deploy the spidey legs on the suit that he had just put on for the first time minutes earlier with no instructions. And nice delays on the decompression affecting everyone completely differently.

Remember Gamora has some cybernetics just not as obvious as Nebula.

 

[LordDeathwatch]

Only Thor has shown that, and now it looks like Captain Marvel as well. She makes sense because her powers come from the Space Stone. Asgardians are just that tough it seems, especially being the son of Odin.

Yeah, Asgardians in space for limited amounts of time is highly plausible, even the average Joe dusts 99% of humans. Thor is one of about 4 that make the lower echelon look like trash. He travelled through vacuum to jumpstart a star and then proceeded to take direct blasts of concentrated energy from it. The fact that we're supposed to be shocked he didn't die in space is hilarious by comparison.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yeah, Asgardians in space for limited amounts of time is highly plausible, even the average Joe dusts 99% of humans. Thor is one of about 4 that make the lower echelon look like trash. He travelled through vacuum to jumpstart a star and then proceeded to take direct blasts of concentrated energy from it. The fact that we're supposed to be shocked he didn't die in space is hilarious by comparison.

Who was surprised that Thor didn't die in space?

The only thing I was surprised by was that Thor/Loki/Hulk/Heimdall got their asses handed to them so easily by a one-stoned Thanos and company.

And Thor talking in space with no air, which shouldn't really be a thing.


The original question wasn't why so many Avengers survive space encounters, it was why the ultra-powerful Ebony Maw was so weak and useless in his. And really the only answer is "because Ebony Maw was too powerful to stay in the plot and they needed a way to get rid of him so they could focus on Thanos." The annoying part is them getting so lazy that they make his abilities arbitrarily suck in that moment just so he can die.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

This is starting to look like those "Superman should have taken the fight with Zod away from the city" arguments

I'm out

 

[LordDeathwatch]

Who was surprised that Thor didn't die in space?

The only thing I was surprised by was that Thor/Loki/Hulk/Heimdall got their asses handed to them so easily by a one-stoned Thanos and company.

And Thor talking in space with no air, which shouldn't really be a thing.


The original question wasn't why so many Avengers survive space encounters, it was why the ultra-powerful Ebony Maw was so weak and useless in his. And really the only answer is "because Ebony Maw was too powerful to stay in the plot and they needed a way to get rid of him so they could focus on Thanos." The annoying part is them getting so lazy that they make his abilities arbitrarily suck in that moment just so he can die.

Yeah, we can all agree that the Maw's end was too soon & almost inexplicable. I'd say almost because this was basically a version of him created solely for the film, it's a huge departure from his comic self, so what his powers are & the extent are never clearly defined. The only thing they really shared besides the physical features was that A1 shyt talking.

Still, a spaceship going full speed for Titan has to be damn near impossible to latch onto in the split second it took for him to get sucked out of his own ship. Just in the span of say 10 seconds, the ship would have traveled an incredible distance and even if he had managed to snag a pocket of air, what was he going to do? Reenact the last scene in Gravity?

Breh was absolutely fukked either way.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yeah, we can all agree that the Maw's end was too soon & almost inexplicable. I'd say almost because this was basically a version of him created solely for the film, it's a huge departure from his comic self, so what his powers are & the extent are never clearly defined. The only thing they really shared besides the physical features was that A1 shyt talking.

Still, a spaceship going full speed for Titan has to be damn near impossible to latch onto in the split second it took for him to get sucked out of his own ship. Just in the span of say 10 seconds, the ship would have traveled an incredible distance and even if he had managed to snag a pocket of air, what was he going to do? Reenact the last scene in Gravity?

Breh was absolutely fukked either way.

In the vacuum of space, I'm pretty sure Maw would have continued traveling at the same speed he was already traveling until something slowed him down. The ship and Maw and everything else traveling at ship speed would remain in the same frame of reference, hurtling at the same speed, so the ship wouldn't have left him behind. Imagine sitting in a convertable going 100mph down the highway. Then imagine you throw a soda can up into the air. If it wasn't for the wind, the soda can would just go up and then fall back down into your hand, because it's traveling just as fast as the car is traveling enough. That's the whole basis for relativity - frames of reference matter. Only hitting something (like air resistance, or the road) will keep the soda can from traveling forward alongside the car just as fast as you are traveling.

Also, it wouldn't actually have taken a split second for him to get tossed out in reality. Decompression doesn't work that way