What I'm saying is that they should move Collins and not replace him. With the team they have they don't need a traditional 4 like Collins and Toppin.
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What I'm saying is that they should move Collins and not replace him. With the team they have they don't need a traditional 4 like Collins and Toppin.
Ahh okay. My bad.
They could surely get a top 10 pick for him, but this a down draft so I’m not sure who they’d take. No player in this guard is really worth moving up to get. I almost feel like this is one of those drafts where the bottom feeder teams would rather wait until next year when the draft is much better rather than picking this year.
Even Minnesota wants no part of picking #1.
I think Deni if he falls or Vassell would be a solid pick, and then you try to take a swing at Bradley Beal for Collins and some other pieces. If you really want to tank again then you move Collins for another pick, but that'll basically keep the team in the tank wars til 2022 at least I think.
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The lottery is Pg heavy because PG’s are everywhere . The lottery will always be pg heavy but unless you’re getting a absolute game changer at the position it doesn’t mean anything (and it still might not,look at Dame now and Kemba in Charlotte) . The wing is where games are won and loss nowadays .I can understand being upset about passing on LaMelo but I wouldn’t lose any sleep over picking Okoro over Killian Hayes or Cole Anthony
As far as why we’re one of the teams without a guard in a league of guards ,that’s because they have been a trash drafting organization.
They chose Brandon Knight over Kemba
They chose Kennard over Mitchell
They chose Ellenson over Levert
SVG said it came down to Stanley or Booker ,we know who they picked
And even then the pistons came into the season with a PG rotation of Drose And Reggie Jackson at the 1 that was way better than Snell and whoever . the 2 it was hella weak as well . The league is raining PG’s but good wing players are hard to find for good reason but if you get one you’re good .
For the record I’d rather have Hayes at 7 but if they went with Okoro I’m good as well.
I’m with you on Vassell though . He’s KCP reincarnated.
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Deni likely not going to fall past 5th, so they'd probably need to move ahead in front of both Cleveland and Chicago.
Theoretically they don't necessarily have to trade Collins right away and wait until the draft next year to do so, but he probably wouldn't go for it since they aren't a free agent destination so there's no purpose in waiting on his bread.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
I fukks with his pod, Dane's pod, a couple of others who go in depth with numbers.
The lottery isn't an exact science. First rule in many ways is, if you're picking first, you're guaranteed to not win a title with that guy unless lightning struck your ass twice with the #1 pick.
I hated that he used Buddy Hield as his comparison to Jamal Murray when it shoulda been Kris Dunn. Buddy Hield is a really good NBA player in a fukked up situation. He's an exception to the rule in terms of age. Some teams look at 22 year old guys and still wanna develop them slowly which doesn't make sense. They should be ready to play sooner. Eric Paschall playing well didn't surprise me. All he needed was PT. Why? He was 22-23. Paschall for a 2nd rounder has 26 career starts. Frank Kaminsky for example in 5 years and was a lotto pick? 36 starts total, and that was mostly in Charlotte. if you're gonna give shyt minutes to a rookie, do it with a younger guy.
I've compared Obi Toppin to Antawn Jamison. I just hope the team that drafts him doesn't limit him to 20 mpg his first year. He should be able to handle 26-30mpg in year 1 with reasonable expectations to his college performance.
I agree with him about workout warriors. The assist part is pretty telling but there's exceptions to every rule. By that logic, Devin Booker shouldn't have been a lottery pick, but there were also circumstances that contributed to that (the Harrison Twins). Donovan Mitchell's college numbers, you gotta squint hard to see a guy who would one day drop 50 in a playoff game. Block rates are good, but again, there are exceptions. You were a big Sabonis fan as was I. His block % at Gonzaga his sophomore year? 2.7% He was so elite at rebounding and angles and positioning that it offset the fact that he couldn't block worth a damn.
The bankable skill I absolutely agree with. I call them do-shyt players. If you have an elite skill especially in this draft, you should be picked regardless of your weaknesses.
If you're Minnesota in this draft, do you take the best player available with the #1 pick regardless of fit or do you move down while accumulate picks? The #1 pick likely isn't as valuable this year compared to other drafts right?
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I still have Cleveland taking either Deni(if available), Vassell or Okoro. They don’t need another guard or big. They need wings and defense in a bad way. Cedi Is way too inconsistent & Windler hasn’t even stepped on a NBA court yet.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
while on Mitchell, I clown Knicks fans who swear they shoulda took Mitchell. Oh Mitchell was there. He's a local, whatever.
Knicks fans were too busy tryna figure out whether they wanted to dikkride Malik Monk or Dennis Smith Jr. Mitchell wasn't really in the convo. History is gonna retcon the fukk outta Malik Monk because he had top 5 hype for a lot of people and when he fell to 11, everyone thought the sun was gonna shine on Jordan's ass for once as an owner. Mitchell was an afterthought.
also, when in doubt, listen to Calipari. His success rate is high as fukk when it comes to Kentucky players. That's why Knox not panning out proves God hates the Knicks like I said to them once. That's why Tyrese Maxey despite his down year, still deserves late lotto consideration.
Knicks fans were too busy tryna figure out whether they wanted to dikkride Malik Monk or Dennis Smith Jr. Mitchell wasn't really in the convo. History is gonna retcon the fukk outta Malik Monk because he had top 5 hype for a lot of people and when he fell to 11, everyone thought the sun was gonna shine on Jordan's ass for once as an owner. Mitchell was an afterthought.
also, when in doubt, listen to Calipari. His success rate is high as fukk when it comes to Kentucky players. That's why Knox not panning out proves God hates the Knicks like I said to them once. That's why Tyrese Maxey despite his down year, still deserves late lotto consideration.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
No.
Moving down isn't gonna be difficult. It's just not gonna fetch you a ton of future assets later. Trading out altogether could do that though, but it's risky.
I learned my lesson with the “jack of all trades, master of none” types with Stanley Johnson 
The only team I could theoretically see moving up would be New York to get Ball. Even then, Minnesota likely wouldn't want to move down that far even if it fetched them a lottery pick in the draft next year. I feel like it's one of those situations this year where they'd rather be picking anywhere other than #1.
They might as well just take the best player available and figure out the fit later even if it causes redundancy on the roster.
I AM WARHOL
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Obi would be a horrible pick for us regardless of trading collins imo
shyt, he wasn't even a jack. nikka was like a 3 of clubs of all tradesI learned my lesson with the “jack of all trades, master of none” types with Stanley Johnson
I learned my lesson with the “jack of all trades, master of none” types with Stanley Johnson
Yep, that's why I'm not high on Patrick Williams or Isaac Okoro
We've seen this happen over and over again with guys like Stanley, MKG, Josh Jackson, Rondae, etc
