The Official 2017 NFL Draft Thread

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Good post.

And almost all these guys are situational players... part time players who are in the right scheme to rush the QB.

Sacks are probably the most overrated statistic in football right now. What are teams doing on 1st and 2nd down is more important than 3rd down.

Can you stop the run?

Can you cover RBs out the backfield?

Can you disguise coverages to fool above average QBs?

All these things are just as important in today's NFL than 'sacking' the QB. Most teams are offensively scheming to get in 3rd and shorts, which takes away the effectiveness of a 4-3 DEs to impact the pass rush.

This is not 1984... lol

CBs can't touch WRs... which has changed the fukking game. Even with a top 10 defense, you still need to score 23+ points a game to win in this league.

In today's NFL, the peak value for the 6'4 260 lb DEs is in the second round, IMO.

Dominant safeties, CBs with size, and coverage + rush LBs are all of higher premium than one dimensional 260+ lb DEs who rush the passer.

These guys are simply not 3 down players in our league anymore.

Versatile DTs who can stop the run on 1st and 2nd, and can rush from the nose guard position on 3rd down impact the game more than old school DEs.

Lol did u forget u made these posts or something?

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

I mean just look at the contract Von Miller just got lol that should tell u how valuable players like him are.. And Olivier Vernon and Cam Jordan were two of the highest earning players last year as well

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Lol did u forget u made these posts are something?

Lol... you have comprehension issues this morning.

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Lol... you have comprehension issues this morning.

Not at all u said the peak value for a 6'4'' 260 lb edge rusher is the 2nd round and u listed every other position on defense as being more important lmao...... What am I not comprehending?

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

I mean just look at the contract Von Miller just got lol that should tell u how valuable players like him are.. And Olivier Vernon and Cam Jordan were two of the highest earning players last year as well

Denver went from Super Bowl champions to not making the playoffs.

Vernon, lol

Cam Jordan??

Okay breh

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

I bet Tim Williams will still go first round. There are plenty of teams in love with him. The only reason the media and the casuals are down on him is b/c his sack #s weren't amazing like they were expected to be. But he had a ton of near sacks and we weren't really using him correctly. Someone will scoop him up late first. Probably the Patriots like someone mentioned earlier

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Not at all u said the peak value for a 6'4'' 260 lb edge rusher is the 2nd round and u listed every other position on defense as being more important lmao...... What am I not comprehending?

In today's NFL, yea those positions hold more draft value than a 4-3 DE

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

In today's NFL, yea those positions hold more draft value than a 4-3 DE

Lol I just showed u a 4-3 DE is about to get drafted 1st overall. And potentially 2 other 4-3 DE going top 10.....

And Von Miller just got the best contract of any non-QB ever..

So no?

 

[yseJ]

Good post.

And almost all these guys are situational players... part time players who are in the right scheme to rush the QB.

Can you disguise coverages to fool above average QBs?

not really DEs job to disguise coverage. its coaches job. lol at majority of 4-3 DEs disguising coverages, it doesnt really happen much. LBs and DBs primarily disguise coverages. pretty much the only two things 4-3 DEs can do is either rush the passer or take the RB or TE. and TE will have a huge mismatch.

All these things are just as important in today's NFL than 'sacking' the QB. Most teams are offensively scheming to get in 3rd and shorts, which takes away the effectiveness of a 4-3 DEs to impact the pass rush.

3rd and shorts take away effectiveness of any pass rush and places emphasis on more balanced D, especially down the middle. however, even in todays game, its fairly hard to convert a ton of 3rd downs or even consistently get to 3rd and short unless you have an elite qb and a popping pass game. someone like Brady is a HoF outlier.

ie, you will still have a pretty big number of 3rd and long plays on which the pass rush will be very useful. not to mention that in todays game pass is way more prevalent than run, directly contradicting your statement. teams would run way more back in the day. players who WOULD be 'part-time' players back in the day are logging 75%+ snaps as 3-down players because teams will pass on any down nowadays. conversely, box strong safeties and two-down middle linebacker who couldnt cover are pretty much getting phased out of the game whereas they've been a staple of NFL up till the mid 2000s

 

[Freddie.Cane]

Watch he goes in the 2nd or 3rd and ends up as a 7 or more sack season type of guy and last 10 plus years.

He gon learn from Cam Wake watch

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

not really DEs job to disguise coverage. its coaches job. lol at majority of 4-3 DEs disguising coverages, it doesnt really happen much. LBs and DBs primarily disguise coverages. pretty much the only two things 4-3 DEs can do is either rush the passer or take the RB or TE. and TE will have a huge mismatch.


3rd and shorts take away effectiveness of any pass rush and places emphasis on more balanced D, especially down the middle. however, even in todays game, its fairly hard to convert a ton of 3rd downs or even consistently get to 3rd and short unless you have an elite qb and a popping pass game. someone like Brady is a HoF outlier.

ie, you will still have a pretty big number of 3rd and long plays on which the pass rush will be very useful. not to mention that in todays game pass is way more prevalent than run, directly contradicting your statement. teams would run way more back in the day. players who WOULD be 'part-time' players back in the day are logging 75%+ snaps as 3-down players because teams will pass on any down nowadays. conversely, box strong safeties and two-down middle linebacker who couldnt cover are pretty much getting phased out of the game whereas they've been a staple of NFL up till the mid 2000s

Lets go then...

These are the top 10 teams for sacks per game last season:

1. Arizona - no playoffs
2. Carolina - no playoffs
3. Seattle - playoffs
4. Denver - no playoffs
5. Minnesota - no playoffs
6. Tennessee - no playoffs
7. Buffalo - no playoffs
8. Pittsburgh - playoffs
9. Tampa Bay - no playoffs
10. Washington - no playoffs

2/10


These are the top 10 teams against the run last season:

1. Dallas - playoffs
2. New York Giants - playoffs
3. Tennessee - no playoffs
4. New England - playoffs
5. Baltimore - no playoffs
6. Seattle - playoffs
7. Carolina - no playoffs
8. Pittsburgh - playoffs
9. Arizona - no playoffs
10. Green Bay - playoffs

6/10


Do we need to go further with this?

Malik McDowell is 20 years old. He's 6'6, weighs 290+. Plus his film is better.

He plays the more premium position (DT) in today's game than Myles Garrett. I guarantee he becomes just as good a pro as Garrett.

Your turn.

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Sacks are like icing on a cake. Cute shyt that gets the fans to cheer.

But it ain't the cake. Get that right. I'm ready to go. Who's next?

@Eye Cue DA GAWD is on his shyts today, bay-bays....

 

[smitty22]

Aint no Bosa's in this draft

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Aint no Bosa's in this draft

I guarantee the Browns had a higher grade on Bosa than Garrett and they didn't draft him @ #2!

I have hope for this team and a lot of it has to do with how they beautifully manuevered the draft last season.

 

[smitty22]

I guarantee the Browns had a higher grade on Bosa than Garrett and they didn't draft him @ #2!

I have hope for this team and a lot of it has to do with how they beautifully manuevered the draft last season.

I like the fact yall drafted some wr's last year. I hope yall clean up that o line play for whoever play qb for yall.