The Official 2017 NBA Draft Talk Thread

[SchoolboyC]

The problem with Ainge's whole "Win-now and win-later" plan is that you're not doing either at a high level. In regards to being able to win now, you have a good team that can win games but they can't hang with the elite squads. They have some promising young players who look like they can be good players in the league but they don't have anyone who's flashing superstar potential.

IT/Bradley/Crowder/insert PF/Horford is a good starting 5, but it falls terribly short against the likes of GS, Cleveland & San Antonio. Brown, Tatum, Zizic, Yabu, Rozier is a nice collection of players but in terms of evaluating potential I think most would agree they fall short to the likes of Philly, Minnesota & Milwaukee.

You can't be San Antonio without having an MVP caliber player to build around. Robinson & Duncan were sure things; maybe Brown or Tatum or whoever ends up significantly exceeding expectations like Leonard did, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Frump]

Lakers aren't gonna add anybody that sacrifices their cap this year. They are basically on that Miami heat blueprint where Ingram is likely the only contract they'll be okay with rolling over into next year. They are not trying to compete this year, everything will be 1 year deals or 1 year with team option.

So I do think we will get that pick next year

I don't see people clamoring for any picks beyond the lakers/kings and Brooklyn pick...
The rest are just throw ins, but the Memphis pick has a chance to be good down the road

I know but I'm saying right now those two picks the Nets and Lakers/Kings pick is very valuable in year from now it could lose some value if teams do better then expected

Plus you have to consider teams that are gonna be added to the mix of those bad teams that could effect draft spots

Chicago and Indiana if they trade George are both gonna be awful next near the bottom of the league next year

 

[Malta]

The problem with Ainge's whole "Win-now and win-later" plan is that you're not doing either at a high level. In regards to being able to win now, you have a good team but they can't hang with the elite squads. They have some good young players but they don't have anyone who's flashing superstar potential.

IT/Bradley/Crowder/insert PF/Horford is a good starting 5, but it falls terribly short against the likes of GS, Cleveland & San Antonio. Brown, Tatum, Zizic, Yabu, Rozier is a nice collection of players but in terms of evaluating potential I think most would agree they fall short to the likes of Philly, Minnesota & Milwaukee.

You can't be San Antonio without having an MVP caliber player to build around. Robinson & Duncan were sure things; maybe Brown or Tatum or whoever ends up significantly exceeding expectations like Leonard did, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

That's exactly why I don't understand why they couldn't come to a middle ground with the Knicks, he is a franchise player and better than anyone in this draft or next years draft so asking for the 3 & 2018 Nets pick + Bradley & Crowder would be more than resonable, shyt throw in Yabusele too.

And it wouldn't have stopped them from signing Hayward or depleting their asset war chest.

 

[#StarkSet]

The problem with Ainge's whole "Win-now and win-later" plan is that you're not doing either at a high level. In regards to being able to win now, you have a good team that can win games but they can't hang with the elite squads. They have some promising young players who look like they can be good players in the league but they don't have anyone who's flashing superstar potential.

IT/Bradley/Crowder/insert PF/Horford is a good starting 5, but it falls terribly short against the likes of GS, Cleveland & San Antonio. Brown, Tatum, Zizic, Yabu, Rozier is a nice collection of players but in terms of evaluating potential I think most would agree they fall short to the likes of Philly, Minnesota & Milwaukee.

You can't be San Antonio without having an MVP caliber player to build around. Robinson & Duncan were sure things; maybe Brown or Tatum or whoever ends up significantly exceeding expectations like Leonard did, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

If IT and horford are taking up 60% of ur cap, u can say we got all these rookie contracts but u aren't winning shyt

 

[SchoolboyC]

That's exactly why I don't understand why they couldn't come to a middle ground with the Knicks, he is a franchise player and better than anyone in this draft or next years draft so asking for the 3 & 2018 Nets pick + Bradley & Crowder would be more than resonable, shyt throw in Yabusele too.

And it wouldn't have stopped them from signing Hayward or depleting their asset war chest.

Like I said yesterday, I'm not convinced Phil was seriously trying to get rid of Porzingis. But if he was, I wouldn't have any issue trading those picks and Crowder for him. shyt I'm 99% sure that if Porzingis was in this draft Ainge wouldn't have made that trade with Philly

 

[Hypris]

I always saw TJ Warren as the ultimate 6th man.

Reminds me of the original "Point a minute" man Cedric Ceballos.

Him and Ulis off the bench will give teams fits

TJ has to show if he's worth paying around 20 million a year when he's a free agent. It's going to be his contract year and I think he'll be a starter at least at the beginning of the season. It will be his 4th year as a pro and Jackson's 1st year. I'll be surprised if Jackson outshines him that quickly.

I think Jackson will be the starting SF in the future when he develops more but not right away.

 

[No Homo]

At some point you have to move the unknown for known commodities, I do not understand why you'd be trying to sign Gordon Hayward or trade for Paul George after you drafted a damn small forward?

And drafted a small forward last year

 

[88m3]

@88m3 @Bay Area @Ronnie Lott

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

TJ has to show if he's worth paying around 20 million a year when he's a free agent. It's going to be his contract year and I think he'll be a starter at least at the beginning of the season. It will be his 4th year as a pro and Jackson's 1st year. I'll be surprised if Jackson outshines him that quickly.

I think Jackson will be the starting SF in the future when he develops more but not right away.

TJ better start playing D and stop being so timid.


I don't think he has it in him to be a cornerstone.


I think he'd be cool with less pressure.


Coming off the bench and focusing on just getting buckets.


If some team decides to pay him something close to 20 mil


I hope it's not the Suns.



The Suns have no qualms about shaving your playing time during a contract year, neither.


If TJ doesn't become more aggressive and grab the bull by the horns this year,


He'll end up like Alex Len last season.Getting minimal PT.


Especially now that they have a younger/better prospect at his position.


Josh Jackson is the exact opposite of TJ.Ultra aggressive..Alpha personality...


If TJ had some of those same traits, he'd be a cold muthafukka

 

[Kang Deezy]

The problem with Ainge's whole "Win-now and win-later" plan is that you're not doing either at a high level. In regards to being able to win now, you have a good team that can win games but they can't hang with the elite squads. They have some promising young players who look like they can be good players in the league but they don't have anyone who's flashing superstar potential.

IT/Bradley/Crowder/insert PF/Horford is a good starting 5, but it falls terribly short against the likes of GS, Cleveland & San Antonio. Brown, Tatum, Zizic, Yabu, Rozier is a nice collection of players but in terms of evaluating potential I think most would agree they fall short to the likes of Philly, Minnesota & Milwaukee.

You can't be San Antonio without having an MVP caliber player to build around. Robinson & Duncan were sure things; maybe Brown or Tatum or whoever ends up significantly exceeding expectations like Leonard did, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

"Our ceiling is the third best team in the league this year barring injury, let's blow it up!"

Fukk is wtong you, we are trying to find stars in the draft and we still have plenty of good swings left

Let's also forget our best player was hurt in the conference finals and didn't play and all the other players we are adding,. Tyler Zeller and James young got minutes

 

[Malta]

"Our ceiling is the third best team in the league this year barring injury, let's blow it up!"

Fukk is wtong you, we are trying to find stars in the draft and we still have plenty of good swings left

Let's also forget our best player was hurt in the conference finals and didn't play and all the other players we are adding

His point was sound, your current core isn't good enough to beat the Warriors or Cavs, and your next core doesn't have a singular talent on par with the young teams that are deemed as having next.

 

[ISO]

I talk about next years draft because I like Bamba, but he's years away and he's a project no matter who picks him because he's physically a long way off from being strong enough to play the 4.

How many more skinny players have to come into the league and have immediate impact for this narrative to go away?

 

[Malta]

How many more skinny players have to come into the league and have immediate impact for this narrative to go away?

Such as?


He's currently 7'0 216lbs, and unlike some of the skinny dudes you will name he's not a wing player.

 

[Kang Deezy]

His point was sound, your current core isn't good enough to beat the Warriors or Cavs, and your next core doesn't have a singular talent on par with the young teams that are deemed as having next.

So we compete, keep trying while developing young talent and taking swings in the draft at cost controlled superstars. There's no point in us trading everybody and going through actual tanking and a rebuild when we have other teams handling the tank for us and we are walking out of these drafts with the player we want regardless.

Philly doesn't scare me, because I think there's virtually zero chance embiid can handle playing 70 games and a deep playoff run at any point in his career. Deep down you know it too, so what are we talking about? We should blow it up because of giannis?

 

[SchoolboyC]

"Our ceiling is the third best team in the league this year barring injury, let's blow it up!"

Fukk is wtong you, we are trying to find stars in the draft and we still have plenty of good swings left

Let's also forget our best player was hurt in the conference finals and didn't play and all the other players we are adding,. Tyler Zeller and James young got minutes

The Celtics are going to leapfrog past one of GS, Cleveland & San Antonio this year?

They would've got ran off the court with Isaiah too. And truth be told, Smart's performance in that game 3 win was probably better than any Isaiah's had against Cleveland since he's been here.

I highly doubt whatever 3rd stringers take Zeller & Young's places will have a significant impact