The OFFICIAL 2016 College football RANDOM THOUGHTS thread

[Swagnificent]

The wins though...

VY in his three seasons as starter: 34-4
JD in his first three seasons as starter: 14-10

Also, Vince had almost three straight 1,000 yard rushing seasons (998 in 2003), including a 3,000 yard passing and 1,000 yard rushing season in 2005.

Stop lying. Josh is not a 3 year starter. Last year was his first full season as a starter.

He was supposed to redshirt as a freshmen but injuries forced him to play the last 5 games. He was supposed to redshirt as a sophomore. Once again injuries forced him to into the starting lineup for the final 6 games.

Its unfair to include Vince's final season in this comparison. He had the benefit of a redshirt season and then played the next 2 years as a starter. Dobbs on the other hand never redshirted and played parts of 2 years after injuries forced him into the lineup.

A more fair comparison is Vince Young's first 24 games compared to Dobbs first 24 games. When you look at those numbers Dobbs has more passing yards and total touchdowns while Young has more rushing yards.

 

[Swagnificent]

After 2016, Dobbs might surpass Vince Young as a college QB.

But I guarantee you he'll be the better pro QB. Kid is a superstar.

 

[Rigby.]

I don't think Dobbs is bad, and has the best offensive skillset to be the biggest star out of any projected starter in the conference, but the guy, along with that entire program, doesn't know how to win. Seeing that last drive against Alabama was probably the biggest microcosm of where Tenn was at under Butch. Also probably the two losses while being ahead to Florida, 2 years ago being one of the worst teams Florida's probably ever fielded.

If Butch can learn how to win a damn game that matters (other than South Carolina 3 years ago), Dobbs can learn from him and be somebody

 

[Rigby.]

I don't call nikkas i'm generally cool with insults, but you pushing the line with these random disses
If you tryin to get this malcolm curse confirmed, I will not hesitate to paypal the mans 5 before the IB

 

[RammerJammer]

Its unfair to include Vince's final season in this comparison. He had the benefit of a redshirt season and then played the next 2 years as a starter. Dobbs on the other hand never redshirted and played parts of 2 years after injuries forced him into the lineup.

A more fair comparison is Vince Young's first 24 games compared to Dobbs first 24 games. When you look at those numbers Dobbs has more passing yards and total touchdowns while Young has more rushing yards.

Okay, you got the yardage stats, which are legit. Here's the wins.

VY first 24 games as starter: 21-4
JD first 24 games as starter: 14-10

VY's impact alone is not up for discussion, Dobbs will not surpass VY. Dobbs ain't even the best QB in the country. Show me a Dobbs performance on the big stage better than Watson's in the title game.

 

[Swagnificent]

I don't think Dobbs is bad, and has the best offensive skillset to be the biggest star out of any projected starter in the conference, but the guy, along with that entire program, doesn't know how to win. Seeing that last drive against Alabama was probably the biggest microcosm of where Tenn was at under Butch. Also probably the two losses while being ahead to Florida, 2 years ago being one of the worst teams Florida's probably ever fielded.

If Butch can learn how to win a damn game that matters (other than South Carolina 3 years ago), Dobbs can learn from him and be somebody

That's fair.

Tennessee's problem last year was they had glaring flaws. They had insane talent at many positions but they had serious flaws that cost them games.

For example, you brought up the end of the Alabama game. What happened late was Alabama just schooling our o-line. Tennessee's o-line has been a serious weakness. Its the position where they have the least talent and most inexperience.

In that game against Alabama, we had 2 true freshmen starting. And it was our true freshmen RT making his first career start (who was named a freshmen all-american by the end of the year) that let allowed that final sack that ended the game. He got schooled by Alabama's junior and senior laden d-line.

Those flaws will be remedied this season. The true freshmen and sophomores that made up the majority of our 2-deep are now older, stronger, and wiser. If they could hang with Bama as freshmen and sophomores. Imagine what they can do now as experienced sophomores and juniors.

 

[Swagnificent]

Okay, you got the yardage stats, which are legit. Here's the wins.

VY first 24 games as starter: 21-4
JD first 24 games as starter: 14-10

VY's impact alone is not up for discussion, Dobbs will not surpass VY. Dobbs ain't even the best QB in the country. Show me a Dobbs performance on the big stage better than Watson's in the title game.

First of all, VY played in a weak conference on a loaded team. His team was almost always 10x more talented than every other team they played on their schedule outside of Oklahoma.

Dobbs on the other hand played in the brutal SEC. And he didn't come into a powerhouse program. When he signed with Tennessee in 2013 they had just fired their head coach and hired Butch Jones.

The situation Dobbs walked into is in no ways comparable to the situation VY walked into. Dobbs walked into a rebuilding project. VY walked into a powerhouse expecting to win a national title.

And on the point about Watson, I never claimed Dobbs was the best QB in the country last year. Just like VY wasn't the best QB in America in 2004 (the year before he won the natty). But he was the best by 2005. I'm only projecting Dobbs becomes the best QB in 2016. I've never said he was better than Watson LAST YEAR.

 

[Swagnificent]

VY first 24 games as starter: 21-4
JD first 24 games as starter: 14-10

FYI in his last 18 starts Dobbs is 13-5. Those 5 losses were by a combined 25 points.

So he started off 1-5 when he was thrown into the fire as a true freshmen on a bad team in 2013.

But as the talent level around him improved with better recruiting the winning percentage improved.

Your comparison of records is a huge red herring.

 

[RammerJammer]

FYI in his last 18 starts Dobbs is 13-5. Those 5 losses were by a combined 25 points.

So he started off 1-5 when he was thrown into the fire as a true freshmen on a bad team in 2013.

But as the talent level around him improved with better recruiting the winning percentage improved.

Your comparison of records is a huge red herring.

Breh you said it was more fair to compare the first 24 games

 

[RammerJammer]

First of all, VY played in a weak conference on a loaded team. His team was almost always 10x more talented than every other team they played on their schedule outside of Oklahoma.

You make good points in the rest of your post but I won't get into that. But let's not act like the Big 12 South wasn't one of the strongest divisions in the 2000s.

 

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Mt.Cody was on 1 that day.

 

[Freddie.Cane]

Nate Salley, Myron Rolle, Karlos Williams, Taylor Mays, all them nikkas was the next SeanT now Derwin James the next Taylor

but he is pretty good in his own right

 

[goatnole]

Derwin gonna be way better than Sean Taylor. So you're kinda right.

 

[Freddie.Cane]

Derwin gonna be way better than Sean Taylor. So you're kinda right.

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