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Me personally, I don't like how some people basically use religion and spirituality for their own selfish needs as well as to justify their wrongdoing that they knowingly do and continue to do. They certain hell wasnt thinking about who they were hurting when they were doing wrong but all of a sudden, they begging for mercy so they can go and do the same thing. :lolbron:

I never see these types helping anybody like helping those who are less fortunate without asking for shyt in return either but they sure love to preach about love and whatever and take when people give them shyt. No respect for their blessings. One of the main reason why I'm an atheist was because I grew up seeing how these same religious folks like the priests, nuns, ministers and etc were basically be screaming all that religion and ask for money, money, money. People were broke basically feeding these folks and these folks gave them nothing. I remember the minister in some church nearby me in 99 basically rolling out in a new caddy while the rest of the church was all driving broken down rides. You had to pay for a membership and the members made you feel like shyt too. Catholic school was even worse. They took advantage of the fact that the public schools where I lived werent good at all while at the same time giving us a shyt education for a cheap fee. The public schools had everything though. The idea that we were "safe" was bullshyt because they didnt screen for anything. You could sneak whatever in there. We had absolutely no extracurricular activities. Maybe it was because the school was 99% black because when it was predominantly white, they had a basketball team, music classes where kids had instruments, art classes, and the whole nine. I've seen too much bullshyt to believe in that.
 
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I can respect that.... My only thing with that is I feel like I have been here before plus I have experienced deja vu too many times in my life.... When I read certain things on previous societies and what not it resonates with me for some reason a spiritual level.... Felt like I was there..... One of the many things I have read over the years was using the hypothesis that there is a cosmic wheel and that one soul will experience more than one life time and you have the memories from the past lives in your current incarnation... When something activates those memories we experience a certain vibration.... One other theory was that whole societies reincarnate at the same time to work thru previous transgressions from another time..... How much of that is truth only God knows the answer too...... Do you ever feel like you have been here before? If so you are an old soul and this just one of the many lifetimes you will experience...

I get deja vu sometimes as well. I believe in some form of reincarnation/rebirth but I'm not sure how that works exactly

I believe this all happens through DNA,even the bible says "the sins of the father":wow:

When you start to look at the bible more closely you start to notice its more than just spirtituality,it also reads like a science book in many ways. The bible even goes into eugenics,which tells you the way we breed and who we breed with can cause problems that are visitied upon your seed. The way you eat,the drugs you've done which are all sins can be visited upon your children and grandchildren for generations and generations....If they inherit your DNA they can inherit your "sins".

Your kids even inherit your personality,I see my daughter has alot of my personality. Now if i didnt have knowledge of who I am,and what my weakness are,or choose to hide who I am,or what I was(like many parents do). I could potentially be sending her out into the world blind to repeat all my mistakes and have her revisit my "sins" all over again. Its very important to be honest with your children and give them the game.

but i think alot of that feeling of dejavu we get are simply feelings from the ancestors conjuring up,almost like a brief spiritual possesion:ohlawd:?

I dont really believe in reincarnation though,your dna will live through your seeds,I guess maybe in a way that is reincarnation though. But I'm not sure if that means you get to relive and have your spirit put into another avatar. I dont believe your spirit would be put into a chicken or some shyt like that:pachaha:

I think when you think about it on that level though,its a huge responsibility....you have inherited all of the "sins" and weakness of your ancestors,its a big challenge when you think about trying to beat all the demons many of them probaly couldnt beat. 99% of your weaknesses or "sins" are not completely self inflicted,this is genetics. You can either let the sins of your grandfather/fathers/mothers etc beat you.Or you can know yourself,and make it a game to beat those weaknesses you have,and not repeat the same sins.
 

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I believe this all happens through DNA,even the bible says "the sins of the father":wow:

When you start to look at the bible more closely you start to notice its more than just spirtituality,it also reads like a science book in many ways. The bible even goes into eugenics,which tells you the way we breed and who we breed with can cause problems that are visitied upon your seed. The way you eat,the drugs you've done which are all sins can be visited upon your children and grandchildren for generations and generations....If they inherit your DNA they can inherit your "sins".

Your kids even inherit your personality,I see my daughter has alot of my personality. Now if i didnt have knowledge of who I am,and what my weakness are,or choose to hide who I am,or what I was(like many parents do). I could potentially be sending her out into the world blind to repeat all my mistakes and have her revisit my "sins" all over again. Its very important to be honest with your children and give them the game.

but i think alot of that feeling of dejavu we get are simply feelings from the ancestors conjuring up,almost like a brief spiritual possesion:ohlawd:?

I dont really believe in reincarnation though,your dna will live through your seeds,I guess maybe in a way that is reincarnation though. But I'm not sure if that means you get to relive and have your spirit put into another avatar. I dont believe your spirit would be put into a chicken or some shyt like that:pachaha:

I think when you think about it on that level though,its a huge responsibility....you have inherited all of the "sins" and weakness of your ancestors,its a big challenge when you think about trying to beat all the demons many of them probaly couldnt beat. 99% of your weaknesses or "sins" are not completely self inflicted,this is genetics. You can either let the sins of your grandfather/fathers/mothers etc beat you.Or you can know yourself,and make it a game to beat those weaknesses you have,and not repeat the same sins.

They say that our thoughts and feelings are not just ours independently but those of our ancestors.
 

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Kung1 of the Kalahari. For the Kung, the concept of fire is used for healing. Richard Katz in his book Boiling Energy: Community Healing among the Kalahari Kung (1982), discusses in detail a healing dance that the Kung performs to help their bodies get into a trance-like state called kia. They reach this state by the activation of an energy that they call num. They say that num was given to them by the gods. It is a painful experience and is feared by the Kung. The cause of kia – the activated num – is said to boil fiercely within the person (Katz 1982: 41). Reaching the state of kia is a prerequisite for healing. Those who learned to heal, those that possess num, are called num kausi “masters, or owners of num.”

Num resides in the pit of the stomach and the base of the spine. The num in the healers heats up and becomes a vapor as a result of their continued energetic dancing. As they dance, their bodies become warm and they sweat profusely. This process is what they call “boiling num.” As the num “boils” it rises (gam) up the spine to a point approximately at the base of the skull, at which time kia results. This process is very similar to the Indian concept of Kundalini2 and the energy at the base of the spine that rises up the spine through levels of chakras until it reaches the crown chakra (the head) in which one arrives at a state of enlightenment. It may turn out that the origin of this philosophy originates with San people. Kundalini is often represented as a snake rising up the spine and often called “serpent power.” Many may recall the American soul group Earth, Wind and Fire’s song called Serpentine Fire which is based on this concept.

The num becomes stronger the hotter it gets. This warming up is aided by the healers physical exertion during the dance. It also becomes stronger (hotter) by actually coming into contact with fire; whether rubbing live coals in their hands and over their chest, or pushing their head into the fire. This process heats up the num to boiling and it vaporizes rising up the spinal column and induces kia. At that stage the num is at its greatest strength for healing.


The major difference between the Kung concept of boiling num and the Indian concept of kundalini is in how they both reach that transcendent state (kia/sahasrara): the Kung dance while the Indians meditate. It should be noted that among the Igbo of Nigeria, they have a term Ikedalani that is similar to Kundalini. According to Umeh (1997: 68) the Igbo too have a dance that they do during a masquerade celebration. On speaking of his grandfather (nicknamed Nwaakuleshi) who would perform at masquerade, he goes on to state:

The first outing of the masquerade was a whole day’s dance by the masquerade and its umuukwu/foot men (i.e. musicians and dancers) who were reminding the masquerade: Nwaakuleshi igbaa gbaa gbaa i suo n’ana i.e., Nwaakuleshi after dancing and dancing and dancing for a long while, you should pound your ike/energy/power on the ground, i.e., dance, descend and rest on the ground by effecting a recoil of your divine energy as Ikedalani that is at the base of your spine.

In other words, the Igbo have a divine energy coiled at the base of the spine they call Ikedalani that is activated during a long intense dance just like the Kung of the Kalahari.

Num is an energy that the healer “puts into” people in attempting to cure them. Once heated up, num can both induce kia and combat illness. Kia is thought of as an altered state of consciousness. Kia is more than an altered state of consciousness. I think of this state a little differently based on my familiarity with
African healing concepts. Before we can understand kia, we must examine what num is: not only among the Kung, but across Africa.
Num is the basis of the healing dance. The word num is often translated as “medicine,” but Katz (1982: 93) translates it as “energy.” I am in agreement with his assessment based on the nature of num lexically among the Kung and its possible cognates in other African languages. Num refers to medicine, sorcery, menstruation and power. It appears in inanimate things and among human beings. It is a neutral energy and its effects may be beneficent and maleficent (just like Ògún). The Kung believe that some num, such as that of the great god Gao Na, is especially strong. The word num itself carries the power of num. One Kung put it that if Gao Na were to come “near” to ordinary men, his num would kill them (ibid). Only the most powerful healers can approach Gao Na during their healing efforts and bargain with him to save a patient.

Num is invisible, though it can be seen and “picked up” by those experiencing kia. Otherwise, num is only known by its effects and actions. This energy force is not personalized or personified among the Kung. They say that no one can possess it exclusively nor control it completely. It is located only by its existence in a particular form. It can be a person, a song or an insect. In essence, num permeates all things. Its invisibility enhances its power. Num resides in the healers, their songs and even the fire which they dance around.

What is also relevant to our larger discussion is the fact that the Kung word for “to boil” refers not only to boiling num, but also to the boiling of water on the fire and the ripening of plants.3 Just as the num, which is dormant when cold, reaches its peak of available strength when boiling, so water becomes powerful when hot, and plant foods become nutritionally potent when ripe. The Kung even extends the concept to when females have reached menarch4 (Katz, 1982: 95). This is the first sign of “maturity” of “ripening” of the young woman. The Kung say that such women are now “ripe” for intercourse and impregnations. Here we see this fire philosophy among the Kung associated with growth, maturity and creation.

The Kung concept of num correlates in many respects with the Dogon concept of Nommo. Nommo even shares the same consonantal root (n-m-m) with num (n-m). Nommo is the life force which produces all life and influences ‘things’ in the shape of the word. Nommo can be seen as the divine Logos of the Greeks. The great Dogon sage Ogotommeli states that Nommo is “water and heat.” The vital force that carries the word issues from the mouth in a water vapour which is both water and word (Griaule 1948: 165). Nommo, therefore, is water and the glow of fire and seed and word in one (Jahn 1961: 124). It is my contention that the words num and nommo ultimately derive from words that mean “water” and “fire” as they are both seen in Africa as the sources of all life and vitality.


The element of water is often seen as “spirit” in African traditions. The human being’s true essence is spirit and it is formless and genderless like water. The numerous variations of water, with the -n- root, render as spirit or soul in many African languages with a slight alteration of vowels.

Bamana ni soul Djula ni soul
Sussu ni soul
Gola o-ngin, o-ngi soul
Sankrokofi ku-ni soul
Zulu ena spirit/soul, double
Ga-Asafo, E-Gbe won spirit
Common Bantu yene spirit, self
KiKôngo kini kia minika electronically radiated shadow (the double)
Yorùbá enia person, people


The spirit in African tradition is simply a spark of the infinite source of power of the Divine Creator. This concept of spirit and the soul has even survived in Indo-European languages.
Latin anima soul Latin animus spirit, courage Greek anemos wind Sanskrit anilos breath Irish anal breath

The energy of spirit is so vital to existence that it became synonymous with existence.
iKami un, unn to be, to exist
Yorùbá ni to exist
Wolof ni to be, to exist
Basa nene to be, to exist
Ewondo ne to be, to exist
Duala7 ne? Why exist? (interrogative form)
Kiswahili wana to be, to exist, to possess, to have being
Common Bantu ni, ne, na to be, to exist

The -n- root is shared across African languages with the core meaning of power and existence. This -n- base then becomes the root for the word for human being across Africa: PWS *ni/*nu (nitu, ntu, muntu/bantu). In discussing the varying components that make up the human being among the Mitsogho

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