The Mandalorian Season 2 - Official Thread

[nieman]

I agree with this, and also some points made by @RhapSaDiddy , 100%.

I do think there's a fine line between critiquing the Jedi and repeating Palpatine's propaganda (literally meant to confuse and corrupt Anakin/the Republic) as truth.
I sense a lot of victim blaming and protectionism over young Ani, rather than true reflection on the flaws of the Jedi and of Anakin as a person. I don't think the tragedy of Anakin works if we absolve him of his personal responsibility - Vader is such a ruthless and effective villain because he chooses to be selfish, not because he's misunderstood.

When I read stuff like "Mace tried overthrowing the Republic" or "Anakin was right" my spidersense starts tingling because that's literally what Palpatine tricked Anakin into believing, and it seems that he tricked some of the fans as well. This robs Anakin of the awful accountability he should be feeling, and in my viewing of the movie does feel multiple times.

"I feel lost. I'm not the Jedi I should be. I want more, and I know I shouldn't" (sidenote: one of my favorite scenes in the saga)
"What have I done?!?"

I don't necessarily think most fans were tricked (the Mace stuff...not Anakin), I just think that no matter what happens, or the reasoning, the perception was always going to be Mace tried overthrowing the Republic - because, that's what Mace did. Going in there, Mace knew that it was a lose-lose for the Jedi, and even admitted that Palpatine was entirely in control of everything. I think he was thinking more along the lines of making that sacrifice for the greater good long term.

After Mace kills Palpatine, that's it for the Jedi. They're instantly exiled, possibly becoming enemies of the state. It's possible they are still hunted by the Clones. If Palpatine is arrested, the same thing still happens. They have absolutely no proof, other than what Anakin was told by Palpatine, and what Mace witnessed...and he never even admitted to being a Sith. He says he acted in self defense, and the Senate already aren't fans of the Jedi so....Then you have to ask what happens next for them?

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

I don't necessarily think most fans were tricked (the Mace stuff...not Anakin), I just think that no matter what happens, or the reasoning, the perception was always going to be Mace tried overthrowing the Republic - because, that's what Mace did. Going in there, Mace knew that it was a lose-lose for the Jedi, and even admitted that Palpatine was in entirely in control of everything. I think he was thinking more along the lines of making that sacrifice for the greater good long term.

After Mace kills Palpatine, that's it for the Jedi. They're instantly exiled, possibly becoming enemies of the state. It's possible they are still hunted by the Clones. If Palpatine is arrested, the same thing still happens. They have absolutely no proof, other than what Anakin was told by Palpatine, and what Mace witnessed...and he never even admitted to being a Sith. He says he acted in self defense, and the Senate already aren't fans of the Jedi so....Then you have to ask what happens next for them?

That's the perception of the citizens of the Republic, I agree - as soon as Palpatine became chancellor it was basically checkmate.

For all of the training Yoda and Obi-Wan got from Qui-Gon, Luke still needed to bust down Palpatine's door and face him - just like Mace did. Yet somehow Luke and Anakin killing Palpatine doesnt get the same smoke as Mace wanting to do the same thing. Even though Luke legit attacks Palpatine first whereas Palpatine attacks Mace first

There's a reason George framed these scenes in parallel. And there's a reason turning on Mace reduces Anakin to breaking down in tears whereas when he turns on Palpatine he dies with a smile on his face.

Some fans forget this and act like Mace had it coming because, and literally quoting 2 posts above us, he was a bit mean towards Ahsoka

 

[Breh Obama]

I don't necessarily think most fans were tricked (the Mace stuff...not Anakin), I just think that no matter what happens, or the reasoning, the perception was always going to be Mace tried overthrowing the Republic - because, that's what Mace did. Going in there, Mace knew that it was a lose-lose for the Jedi, and even admitted that Palpatine was in entirely in control of everything. I think he was thinking more along the lines of making that sacrifice for the greater good long term.

After Mace kills Palpatine, that's it for the Jedi. They're instantly exiled, possibly becoming enemies of the state. It's possible they are still hunted by the Clones. If Palpatine is arrested, the same thing still happens. They have absolutely no proof, other than what Anakin was told by Palpatine, and what Mace witnessed...and he never even admitted to being a Sith. He says he acted in self defense, and the Senate already aren't fans of the Jedi so....Then you have to ask what happens next for them?

This is why I didn't mind the reveal of Palpatine still being alive and pulling the strings in Rise of Skywalker.

He is an absolute genius politically and militarily. He plans everything way in advance and always has multiple backup plans.

One of the greatest, most well put together villains of all time.

 

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[Atsym Sknyfs]

What evidence? This is where Palpatine wins. There is no evidence to link him to being a Sith. We know he's a Sith because he TELLS Anakin. The Jedi have nothing on him.

And again, they go there to ARREST him. Palpatine then attacks.

And the Senate didn't create the Clones at all. It was a JEDI who started it (Sifo-Dyas) because he sensed the war coming (self fulfilling prophecy) and Dooku and Sidious then killed him and turned it into the Clone army which led to the Clone Wars. Specifically created to wipe out the Jedi, weaken the galaxy and give Palpatine more power.

It wasn't in case they staged a coup, they were created to kill Jedi - period. In which scenario do you think Order 66 does not get activated?



The Jedi absolutely have a function in the Republic. The saga STARTS with Chancellor Valorun sending two Jedi to negotiate a peace treaty between The Naboo and the Trade Federation.

Mace going after Palpatine is 100% his job, not just as a Jedi but as a citizen. You're giving Palpatine a huge pass here when you think they could've held a fair trial. Was Anakin wrong for killing him in Return of the Jedi? Palpatine was still the leader of the Empire.

i thought they went to arrest the chancellor to force him to give up his emergency powers that he refused

the clones fought for 3 years with the jedi.. palpatine NEEDED a jedi attack on his life to do order 66

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

No Mace wasn't. They should have taken the evidence, Chancellor Palpatine and Anakin's testimony to the Senate and had a trial. That is the Jedi way. The Senate didn't make the clone army just to fight off the separatists and Dooku. They created the clones just in case the Jedi tried to overthrow to pull a coup.......like Mace did. Jedi are a religious order they are not government. Some believe in the force and some don't. Some view the sith and Jedi as the same. Yoda trained Dooku. Dooku trained Qui Gon and Qui Gon trained Obi wan. The Senate was too concerned with the rise of a emperor Yoda that they did not fathom the rise of an Emperor Palpatine. Mace gave them a reason

They couldnt.... Palpatine said it himself... I AM THE SENATE.

clones where not created to stop a jedi coup.. a jedi started it.

there was no emperor yoda cause every decision they made was done with a council

George was showing us a democracy vs dictatorship ... padme said it herself, this is how democracy dies..

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

Nah I'm not saying you making it up but I thought Yoda said in the clone wars episode that Dooku was behind it. In the "Lost Missions" episode.

Sifo was the creator (idea man) Dooku had the money and after he killed sifo he impersonated him.
dooku was behind it, he paid, he recruited the sample specimen...
I wonder if the order 66 implant was known to dooku or palps did that behind his back

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

MACE did the right thing in trying to kill Palpatine.
Yoda and MAce knew the jedi council's time was over .. theres nothing the people could do to them... fukkit kill papls and the paople banish the jedi as protection.. it doesnt matter cause ALL threats are now cgone

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

Luke still needed to bust down Palpatine's door and face him - just like Mace did. Yet somehow Luke and Anakin killing Palpatine doesnt get the same smoke as Mace wanting to do the same thing.

Luke was escorted/invited into the Emperors throne room and he was there to try and convert his father. Anakin was trying to convert Luke. Anakin turned on Palpatine when it was clear that palpatines intentions where to kill Luke instead of converting him.

They couldnt.... Palpatine said it himself... I AM THE SENATE.

At that time, before Mace barged in and got his ass beat, Palpatine did not have any way to frame and link the Jedi to him and Dookus war crimes. Mace gave them a reason. He wasn't right and that's why his homie Yoda was uneasy about his plan.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

I don't necessarily think most fans were tricked (the Mace stuff...not Anakin), I just think that no matter what happens, or the reasoning, the perception was always going to be Mace tried overthrowing the Republic - because, that's what Mace did. Going in there, Mace knew that it was a lose-lose for the Jedi, and even admitted that Palpatine was in entirely in control of everything. I think he was thinking more along the lines of making that sacrifice for the greater good long term.

After Mace kills Palpatine, that's it for the Jedi. They're instantly exiled, possibly becoming enemies of the state. It's possible they are still hunted by the Clones. If Palpatine is arrested, the same thing still happens. They have absolutely no proof, other than what Anakin was told by Palpatine, and what Mace witnessed...and he never even admitted to being a Sith. He says he acted in self defense, and the Senate already aren't fans of the Jedi so....Then you have to ask what happens next for them?

actually if maced killed palps there would be no order 66... i bet its tied to his voice.. jedi are just exiled

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

Luke was escorted/invited into the Emperors throne room and he was there to try and convert his father. Anakin was trying to convert Luke. Anakin turned on Palpatine when it was clear that palpatines intentions where to kill Luke instead of converting him.


At that time, before Mace barged in and got his ass beat, Palpatine did not have any way to frame and link the Jedi to him and Dookus war crimes. Mace gave them a reason. He wasn't right and that's why his homie Yoda was uneasy about his plan.

they went to arrest them so he would return power back to the senate... let me watch that again

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

Sifo was the creator (idea man) Dooku had the money and after he killed sifo he impersonated him.

Sifo had an idea that was shot down by Mace, Yoda and the council. Starting to see a pattern of bad judgment. Dooku had the clones created. He had the money and the means

 

[Deuterion]

This show would be so much better if it had a story.

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

they went to arrest them so he would return power back to the senate... let me watch that again

It was dumb because they were no match for him. He was older, more powerful and more skilled. Make no mistake EVERYTHING that happened in that room was calculated. The Emperor could have killed Mace without Anakin. He just wanted Anakin to see how the council bends rules when it benefits them.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

It was dumb because they were no match for him. He was older, more powerful and more skilled. Make no mistake EVERYTHING that happened in that room was calculated. The Emperor could have killed Mace without Anakin. He just wanted Anakin to see how the council bends rules when it benefits them.

they didnt know that.. other than maul they had never seen the other sith fight..

and i watched it again.. mace told anakin let me ask him to give up the powers and anakin said he wont cause he a sith... so mace got some boys and went to arrest him