The Mandalorian Season 2 - Official Thread

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Come on man?

Disneyland is something you book months in advance to spend an entire weekend and plan for. Not something you just jump and go to unless you live there.

If interest were high, the place would have been booked for months after opening.
Pre covid you didnt have to book anything to go to a Disney park. And I dont know about Disneyland but Disney World was booming.
 

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Pre covid you didnt have to book anything to go to a Disney park. And I dont know about Disneyland but Disney World was booming.
You book a vacation. Hotels, plane tickets. You don’t fly from Minnesota, Connecticut, or Canada to Disney World/Land the day before.

People/families have to plan that

It should have been full for months pre-covid
 

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Qui Gon force ghost need to gone school Grogu. That way he can teach him while he goes on adventures with Mando
 

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Palpatine played everybody. He saw the weaknesses, ego and greed where necessary and exploited them at every turn.

Qui-Gon Jinn was regarded almost as a heretic amongst the Jedi. He wasn't as bound by fundamentalist thinking as the Jedi Council, who had become more concerned with traditional ways of approaching problems. The thing is, rigid thinking cannot address new types of problems, especially not a polymorphic one like Palpatine that adjusts on the fly. Obi-Wan was the direct beneficiary of Qui-Gon's teaching, yet he was so concerned about approval from the traditionalist Jedi that he would criticize his master as to why he wouldn't "behave" as he should. That mindset led to Kenobi's flawed jedi-padawan relationship with Anakin, which led to the flawed jedi-padawan relationship with Ahsoka, who reflected Anakin's innate lack of patience when she was framed.

There's no point in defending your house when tectonic plates have shifted under it and volcanoes are erupting all around. Tectonic shifts here = Palpatine's manipulations on various fronts. Yoda with all his wisdom couldn't - or wouldn't, because of fundamentalist thinking - see those machinations through the Force. I'm sure he had more than enough time to ruminate on that while on Dagobah. (Even then he still couldn't-wouldn't get through to Luke, who proved to be just as impatient as his father and got the hand-me-down Dooku treatment before he would learn.) No doubt Windu will have done the same wherever he is, and hopefully come out the other side the better for it.
 

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Palpatine played everybody. He saw the weaknesses, ego and greed where necessary and exploited them at every turn.

Qui-Gon Jinn was regarded almost as a heretic amongst the Jedi. He wasn't as bound by fundamentalist thinking as the Jedi Council, who had become more concerned with traditional ways of approaching problems. The thing is, rigid thinking cannot address new types of problems, especially not a polymorphic one like Palpatine that adjusts on the fly. Obi-Wan was the direct beneficiary of Qui-Gon's teaching, yet he was so concerned about approval from the traditionalist Jedi that he would criticize his master as to why he wouldn't "behave" as he should. That mindset led to Kenobi's flawed jedi-padawan relationship with Anakin, which led to the flawed jedi-padawan relationship with Ahsoka, who reflected Anakin's innate lack of patience when she was framed.

There's no point in defending your house when tectonic plates have shifted under it and volcanoes are erupting all around. Tectonic shifts here = Palpatine's manipulations on various fronts. Yoda with all his wisdom couldn't - or wouldn't, because of fundamentalist thinking - see those machinations through the Force. I'm sure he had more than enough time to ruminate on that while on Dagobah. (Even then he still couldn't-wouldn't get through to Luke, who proved to be just as impatient as his father and got the hand-me-down Dooku treatment before he would learn.) No doubt Windu will have done the same wherever he is, and hopefully come out the other side the better for it.

I agree with this, and also some points made by @RhapSaDiddy , 100%.

I do think there's a fine line between critiquing the Jedi and repeating Palpatine's propaganda (literally meant to confuse and corrupt Anakin/the Republic) as truth.
I sense a lot of victim blaming and protectionism over young Ani, rather than true reflection on the flaws of the Jedi and of Anakin as a person. I don't think the tragedy of Anakin works if we absolve him of his personal responsibility - Vader is such a ruthless and effective villain because he chooses to be selfish, not because he's misunderstood.

When I read stuff like "Mace tried overthrowing the Republic" or "Anakin was right" my spidersense starts tingling because that's literally what Palpatine tricked Anakin into believing, and it seems that he tricked some of the fans as well. This robs Anakin of the awful accountability he should be feeling, and in my viewing of the movie does feel multiple times.

"I feel lost. I'm not the Jedi I should be. I want more, and I know I shouldn't" (sidenote: one of my favorite scenes in the saga)
"What have I done?!?"

George made this point regarding the Jedi in the making of, "The Jedi are good people, they are selfless, but in their 1.000 years of relative peace they've taken their selflessness for granted - and rather than question why they are who they are, they simply accepted it as a given. What they slowly start to realize during the Clone Wars is that maybe this Republic that they are fighting for, dying for, wasn't worth saving. And that's where Palpatine has won already. By the time of Episode III, the Jedi have lost when it comes to politics and all that stuff - and their only way out is by killing Palpatine and bringing balance to the force. Anakin, however, does the wrong thing and kills Mace. So, it takes another 30 years for him to correct that mistakes through Luke; who reminds him of what he should've been".

I think in an attempt to look for grayness in heroes we sometimes villainize them instead. The Jedi made mistakes, but their intentions were always good; and the Mace/Anakin/Palpatine scene is supposed to be confusing to Anakin - but we have to understand that he made the wrong decision, which he himself understands as well but the rest of the movie is him convincing himself that he did the right thing.
 

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I'd have killed Mace as well.

When he fell out the building I bet he was thinking maybe I shouldn't have been such a dikk :mjlol:. I doubt Anakin would have attacked Yoda in the same scenario

The clone wars last episodes really highlighted that. When Ahsoka was about to give the heads up about Anakin, Mace hit her with the :birdman: and yoda with the :ld:
 

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Palpatine played everybody. He saw the weaknesses, ego and greed where necessary and exploited them at every turn.

Qui-Gon Jinn was regarded almost as a heretic amongst the Jedi. He wasn't as bound by fundamentalist thinking as the Jedi Council, who had become more concerned with traditional ways of approaching problems. The thing is, rigid thinking cannot address new types of problems, especially not a polymorphic one like Palpatine that adjusts on the fly. Obi-Wan was the direct beneficiary of Qui-Gon's teaching, yet he was so concerned about approval from the traditionalist Jedi that he would criticize his master as to why he wouldn't "behave" as he should. That mindset led to Kenobi's flawed jedi-padawan relationship with Anakin, which led to the flawed jedi-padawan relationship with Ahsoka, who reflected Anakin's innate lack of patience when she was framed.

There's no point in defending your house when tectonic plates have shifted under it and volcanoes are erupting all around. Tectonic shifts here = Palpatine's manipulations on various fronts. Yoda with all his wisdom couldn't - or wouldn't, because of fundamentalist thinking - see those machinations through the Force. I'm sure he had more than enough time to ruminate on that while on Dagobah. (Even then he still couldn't-wouldn't get through to Luke, who proved to be just as impatient as his father and got the hand-me-down Dooku treatment before he would learn.) No doubt Windu will have done the same wherever he is, and hopefully come out the other side the better for it.

Honestly it seems like all the Jedi seem to go through this in phases. In the new trilogy we saw Yoda basically saying "fukk the old teachings, start new ones because they were flawed." However the fact that Luke eventually got to that same fundamentalist mindset youre speaking of on his own without any guidance means that basically everyone goes through that phase. It's just magnified by the fact that in the prequels there were so many Jedi at that time.
 

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Palpatine played everybody. He saw the weaknesses, ego and greed where necessary and exploited them at every turn.

Qui-Gon Jinn was regarded almost as a heretic amongst the Jedi. He wasn't as bound by fundamentalist thinking as the Jedi Council, who had become more concerned with traditional ways of approaching problems. The thing is, rigid thinking cannot address new types of problems, especially not a polymorphic one like Palpatine that adjusts on the fly. Obi-Wan was the direct beneficiary of Qui-Gon's teaching, yet he was so concerned about approval from the traditionalist Jedi that he would criticize his master as to why he wouldn't "behave" as he should. That mindset led to Kenobi's flawed jedi-padawan relationship with Anakin, which led to the flawed jedi-padawan relationship with Ahsoka, who reflected Anakin's innate lack of patience when she was framed.

There's no point in defending your house when tectonic plates have shifted under it and volcanoes are erupting all around. Tectonic shifts here = Palpatine's manipulations on various fronts. Yoda with all his wisdom couldn't - or wouldn't, because of fundamentalist thinking - see those machinations through the Force. I'm sure he had more than enough time to ruminate on that while on Dagobah. (Even then he still couldn't-wouldn't get through to Luke, who proved to be just as impatient as his father and got the hand-me-down Dooku treatment before he would learn.) No doubt Windu will have done the same wherever he is, and hopefully come out the other side the better for it.
Palpatine had been planning everything and putting the right pieces in place for a very long time. He had to wait for alot of things to play out to take control. He showed patience when the Jedis didnt...
 

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Was real happy to see the guy Michael Biehn in a fairly big budget affair. I was hoping he would’ve had a larger role this season, or some character development, but whatever. It was still dope to see. I hope he gets more work. his character’s concept art had me thinking his role might be bigger.

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