The Long-Shot Candidate Who Has the White House Worried - Joe Biden has a Cornel West problem.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Then you need to get out of your own head and actually meet people. 90% of nonvoters don't have any engagement with the "contrarian opinions" that upset you. You could add together every fukking anti-Democrat media voice on the left that has ever made you mad, and their combined reach is TINY. Plus most of that reach is either preaching to the choir or dems hate-watching, it's not like they're actually changing hearts and minds to any meaningful degree.

The vast majority of non-voters got that way on their own, due to disillusionment with democrats that the Democratic Party inflicted on themselves. Stop blaming others for your own fukkups.

I think disillusioned people are poor thinkers and that reaching out to them isn't reflective of an actual deficit.

I don't understand the argument that something is wrong with democrats (not saying I agree with everything) other than voters being ...stupid?

I mean, didn't people vote for Trump? Where is THEIR responsibility?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

well none of it is getting fixed regardless of who is in office.

If the house is on fire, you would want someone to put it out. Not someone who will pour gasoline on it (the GOP) and not someone promises they will stop them from pouring gasoline on it (Dems).

The funny thing is some of your favorite politicians celebrate compromising with these people.

edit: you can put all the angry reactions you want, I’m right. If the Dems started pushing more working class policies, you would see a shift in voting.

First of all, things get slowed down and or "stopped" whatever that means since the opps never really quit either.

Idk what you're talking about without specifics.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is what is going on. They see Obama, Hillary and Biden as agents that maintain the status quo just like republicans without the racism. They don’t want to admit the benefit of having this people in office because they believe their candidates can snap their fingers and abolish capitalism, unionize every industry, end income inequality and enact universal healthcare.

no evidence of fundamental change = maintaining the status quo to Them

They dont realize that core democrats dont want to get rid of capitalism.

The socialist movement-leeches in the west (I'm saying this respectfully) actually think black democratic voters are ...communists. They/we aren't. We just want to run it up like everyone else fairly and with a bigger social welfare state. We dont want to try some shyt China and Russia moved away from.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Please point out where I made this statement. At no point did I refer to Hillary Clinton's election. Biden won by a small margin in key states and so the green party can easily play spoiler in the upcoming election.


Do you not see the irony that you say this and then reaffirm your Barry Goldwater example as if it's more than one data point from 60 years ago? How many failed shake ups and redirections have happened since then for both parties? What is it that makes you confident in this "burn the bridges" approach exactly beyond it working once decades ago?

I think there's a difference between what Biden's administration tried to pass vs what Biden's adminstration had the votes to pass. If you think Cornel West has the capacity to get something better through the House + Senate then by all means, vote for him. If you think Cornel West has the votes for a super-majority that doesn't require moderates to pass the legislation, by all means vote for him.

He has shown his desire to save the environment but he has no governmental experience. But forget even being a politician for a second, if he was a random guy that I knew who didn't pay his child support and had outstanding tax liens, I wouldn't vote for him in a water reclamation race yet because he has reitereated positive climate ideas, he should be taken seriously as candidate for some people.

If you believe that he is a outsider/black savior that will shake up politics and deliver on climate change, it sounds eerily familiar to the promises Trump made to working class whites.

It's possible that I'm underestimating him though and there are things about him that you know that I'm not privy. That is why I'd like to see you weight the things that are important to you and see how you reach your conclusion that West is more than a wasted vote.

TLDR; To recap, I have suggested an example of ways that perception matters and you have provided examples of ways that that Dems screwed the pooch a few decades ago. That still is dancing around just providing your probabilities in a meaningful way that removes all the emotions.

How about you provide your level of compatibility with the candidates + odds of winning + climate change and we can go from there? You can add as many variables as you'd like, I don't care. I just want to grasp how you are reaching your conclusions without all of the emotional undertones

I don't like Cornel simply out of his attacks for Obama. I mean, I think we've all earned the right to be nakedly petty after the Trump years against anyone who would even enable republicans to take office just to spite democrats.

Plus, everyone has admitted Biden has been further to the left than he campaigned. Thats fine by me.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

But if Biden is really that close in key states again, that's on him. The green party is going to have tiny pull in battleground states. Why do y'all always focus on the 1% of the population that goes green as opposed to the 40% of the population that doesn't vote at all?

or the voters are stupid.

Why is this not an option for an answer?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Plus Goldwater wasn't my only example - Bernie was another one. And Bernie's impact was so fast that you could see it immediately in the 2018 elections and Biden's 2021 agenda. But I was using the Goldwater example to point out that you can't assume 6 years in will give you the full effect - Goldwater's impact was still producing fruit 20, 40, even 60 years later.

At some point intuition has to matter.

A primary favorite is not a general election winner.

All those never-trump republicans would have voted against Bernie AND all the silent vote type independents aren't going to vote for Bernie.

People misread his popularity because they don't understand this country or its voters.

Don't ask me for evidence or polls on this either. Every time I post them over the last like...6-7 years people lie and obfuscate and deny the legitimacy of the polls or challenge the assumptions because bernie is one big "what if" and can't accept that people rejected him fairly and explicitly because they don't trust him to win a general election or don't believe in his ability to deliver. At a certain point we've got to read the room and this is just grown man talk. Every excuse for bernie can't be some accusation that people don't care about the poor or working class or whatever emotional appeal yall trot out. Winning has to matter and the ability to be perceived as being able to deliver matters. This shyt isn't fair, it's politics.

Also...again, as I'm slowly being proven right on this trans issue, it's costing democrats and soon you all will be having to admit this one by one. I'm seeing the signals everywhere.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Dudes who can't read the room are trying to tell people who have consistently read the room that they know what they're talking about.

Do yall know how many times I said this Hunter Biden shyt was gonna be a major issue?

Yall roasted me to hell over this and look! voila! this fukking anchor of a fail-son is dragging the president that doesn't need anymore burdens

 

[AquaCityBoy]

If the house is on fire, you would want someone to put it out. Not someone who will pour gasoline on it (the GOP) and not someone promises they will stop them from pouring gasoline on it (Dems).

This analogy actually reinforces my point: yes you need people to put out the fire but you kind of need the people pouring gas on the fire out of the way before you can put it out.

We can have the discussion about putting out the fire when the arsonists stop pouring gas on it.

 

[mastermind]

This analogy actually reinforces my point: yes you need people to put out the fire but you kind of need the people pouring gas on the fire out of the way before you can put it out.

You do know if that person puts the fire out, they’ve simultaneously stopped someone from putting gas on it and ended the fire. that’s the point. An action that can help. And then let’s work together to rebuild your life.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

He’s helping. Shut up. Own your decisions.

He did it to himself

You run a shyt campaign then you are responsible for losing. Own your decisions.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

So is this why he running?

I didn't know he had kids.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You run a shyt campaign then you are responsible for losing. Own your decisions.

I blame the voters.

Hillary did nothing wrong.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

I blame the voters.

Hillary did nothing wrong.

When the Black canvassers in MI, MN, and OH told her to bring her ass back, she chose not to. She fukked up. Own your decisions.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I think disillusioned people are poor thinkers and that reaching out to them isn't reflective of an actual deficit.

They dont realize that core democrats dont want to get rid of capitalism.

The socialist movement-leeches in the west (I'm saying this respectfully) actually think black democratic voters are ...communists. They/we aren't. We just want to run it up like everyone else fairly and with a bigger social welfare state. We dont want to try some shyt China and Russia moved away from.

First off, let's just point out the open deceit here, because neither Bernie nor Cornell is a communist, nor have the run on being a communist, nor are they advocating for a USSR/China-type state.

Second, here are my questions for you. Do you feel like the country and the world, if they continued with, say, first term Obama policies, would be on a positive, sustainable track? Do you believe that global warming would somehow stop, that constant growth economy would somehow be sustainable, that the environment would somehow not tap out, and that the wealth gap would somehow close? I just want to check exactly how deluded you are.