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is nap an electoral politics reductionist? 
The Long-Shot Candidate Who Has the White House Worried - Joe Biden has a Cornel West problem.
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"if you use this word that insults me then you don't understand this word"
Your behaviors in defense of Bernie, let me know that you're a class reductionist because your inability to accept voting for a mainstream democrat doesn't scratch the surface of your calculus of political reality or strategy.
...and this is in reference to me reading years of your stuff on this. I dont have the time to deep dive on years of reading your stuff.
You're a class reductionist. You can lose sleep over it if you want.
You're self referential in a degree that would only be typified by mental illness
Stop defending bullshyt conspiracies about random non-sequitur news articles being responsible for bernie losing
No evidence of this, especially in the last 15 years
considering how many times he's pushed racist positions or defended racists? By your argument, howw could he call segregationist "heroes" and refer to Strorm Thurmond as a great man "like Robert E. Lee" if he wasn't feeling the same way? You know, since you believe guilt by association is valid.
Joe Biden's Praise for Segregationists Spans Decades | JFP Mobile | Jackson, Mississippi
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Joe Biden under fire for segregationist senators remarks - BBC News
The Democrat is facing backlash for recalling his "civil" working relationship with segregationists.www.bbc.com
Joe Biden loses support of top campaign fundraiser in Bay Area after comments on segregationists and Hyde amendment
Former Vice President Joe Biden loses support of top bundler after segregationist comments and flip-flop on Hyde Amendment.www.google.com
Here’s How Deep Biden’s Busing Problem Runs
And why the Democrats can’t use it against him.www.politico.com
Joe Biden didn’t just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause in schools, experts say.
Joe Biden helped give America the language that is still used to oppose school integration today, legislative and education history experts say.www.google.com
Joe Biden’s Political Amnesia Goes Way Beyond Anita Hill
Digital culture won’t let him re-write decades of dubious political history.www.vanityfair.com
Biden's resurfaced 2007 comments on Iowa, race, education spark backlash
Former Vice President Joe Biden, the leading Democrat in the 2020 White House race, is facing new pushback this week after a series of quotes from 2007 resurfaced online in which he said Iowa had better schools than Washington, D.C., while mentioning their differences in demographics.www.google.com
Biden: ‘Unlike the African American Community,’ The Latino Community Is ‘Diverse’ | National Review
Biden was responding to a question on whether he would slow deportations of Cuban asylum seekers.www.nationalreview.com
Joe Biden worried in 1977 that certain de-segregation policies would cause his children to grow up 'in a racial jungle'
"Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle," Biden said.www.google.com
Joe Biden’s Stunningly Racist Answer on the Legacy of Slavery Has Been Overlooked
When asked about the legacy of slavery, Joe Biden lectured black people on their parenting abilities.theintercept.com
Why Is Bernie Sanders Against Reparations?
The Vermont senator’s political imagination is active against plutocracy, but why is it so limited against white supremacy?
www.theatlantic.com
It's HOW you defend bernie. it's the conspiratorial and paranoid assertions you make devoid of an understanding of the electorate, political motivations or having an accurate ability to predict how people behave politically.
Biden has shown he's been fairly good on race issues and certainly hasn't downplayed race issues in favor of generic class framing...which is why Bernie lost the black vote.
- Bernie Sanders Reached Out to Black Voters. Why Didn’t It Work?
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7b8b8e-685e-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html
- Why Bernie Sanders Isn’t Winning Over Black Voters Opinion | Why Sanders Isn’t Winning Over Black Voters (Published 2020)
- Bernie Sanders lost the Black vote. That's probably a problem going forward.
- https://www.vox.com/2020/3/11/21174736/bernie-sanders-black-vote-joe-biden-michigan-primary
- https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/opinions/bernie-sanders-black-voters-opinion-martin/index.html
- https://www.capradio.org/articles/2...olor-in-california-and-was-it-not-even-close/
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/sanders-struggles-with-black-voters-despite-positive-signs-11583077620
- https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-black-vote/
- https://time.com/5792911/bernie-sanders-south-carolina-black-voters/
- https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...ers-support-over-sanders-it-s-not-ncna1150576
- https://thegrio.com/2020/03/31/i-worked-for-bernie-2020/
A lot of socialists aren't class reductionists.
YOU are a class reductionist.
Go tell Adolph Reed to knock it off
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this is why people dont take your political stances seriously, and your attacks are empty. you attack people for being insufficiently pro black or whatever but you yourself do not in any meaningful way practice or endorse things that would help black people. you endorse elections for elections sake. your way allows for capitalism and colonialism to continue exploiting black folk here and worldwide. you are actually a part of the problem instead of the solution for the kind of black-positive world you claim to seek.
Might not be class reduction, but he’s not wrong in pointing out reductionist underpinning of making capitalism the problem for every issue. It’s lazy.
I can't change being black, so I'm not going to change my devotion and preference for winning elections come down to people who can't bend on running the fukking bag up
blah blah blah capitalism and colonialism...like tired boring grad students. We get how we got here, now it's time to get out of this morass.
Capitalism isn't the answer to everything wrong. Plus, African leaders are overthrowing each other every 5 months and blaming colonialism...time is running dry on that one too.
The time for that useless ass comment is running dry. I have the thread on the African Pivot and yall aint in there. You're not even following global African politics:
Its not that fukking difficult:
- Support ranked choice voting (if I was in Uk I'd probably be like 55% Lib Dem 45% Labour depending on the issue)
- Vote for the democrat who can win the general
- Support primary challenges that are LEGITIMATE, not vanity bullshyt fragile emotional bullshyt. E.g. Ruben Gallego vs Sinema
...not Nina Turner vs Shontel Brown - Continue to engage politicians and push them left ONCE IN OFFICE
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So he’s never been elected to anything?
Thankfully, no one with enough brainpower to read all that bullshyt you just typed would ever be swayed by it - most of the time you didn't even address what I said. But I just want to quote this one part about Biden's lack of racism cause it was so fukking funny.
at the perfect replica of Bush's "I'm not going to answer whether I've used cocaine, but I definitely haven't used it in the last 17 years."
I guess your "15 years" has to be perfectly timed to dodge his 2007 comments about Iowa schools only getting higher test scores than D.C. cause they don't have to deal with any Black kids?
Or maybe you were trying to avoid his 2007 comments about his presidential race opponent Barack Obama being the first competent Black politician.
Maybe you were trying to avoid his 2007 memoir, where he called bussing to integrate schools a "liberal trainwreck" and "asinine", even though studies after the fact showed that Black kids who were bussed earned 25% higher lifetime earnings than their classmates who weren't bussed.
Or perhaps that 2006 speech where he bragged that he could relate to the South because Delaware was a slave state too.
Or his 2003 eulogy for Strom Thurmond, where he claimed that his "friend" Strom wasn't a racist, and praised Thurmond's 1940s work to support reading programs at all-black schools....while insisting they remain all-black schools.
Let's not forget that 2008 speech where he called notorious racist and segregationist John C. Stennis "a hell of a guy."
Not that it actually ended then. He has plenty of the same shyt just since 2016.
In 2016, Biden again called segregationist John Stennis a "friend" and an "honorable man", and bragged that Stennis had tried to help get him the nomination in Mississippi in his 1988 presidential run.
In 2017, Biden said there were 7-8 old-fashioned white democrat segregationists in the Senate still when he entered, and he worked well with them and got things done.
In 2019, Biden again praised segregationists in the Senate and said, "at least they were civil, at least we got things done" He specifically praised Senator James O. Eastland, someone who had publicly referred to Black people as "an inferior race" and said that white people were "entitled to the pursuit of dead n****rs." Biden said, “I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland. He never called me boy, he always called me son.”
After that 2019 comment, when Black senators like Corey Booker and Kamala Harris asked Biden to apologize, he said, “Apologize for what? Cory should apologize. He knows better. There’s not a racist bone in my body; I’ve been involved in civil rights my whole career. Period. Period. Period.”
Later in 2019, Biden equated being Black with being poor. 'We have this notion that somehow if you're poor, you cannot do it, poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."
And again in 2019: "And the people who don't show up on the nights when there's a parent-teacher meeting are not people who in fact don't care, but folks from poor backgrounds. They don't show up because they're embarrassed. They're embarrassed the teacher's going to say — and it's hard to say, 'Well, I can't read,' or 'I don't …' I'm talking about not just people of color, but poor folks."
That same year, he claimed that Black parents can't read and that's why their kids don't succeed. "During a private meeting with prominent black mayors in Georgia last year, according to three people with direct knowledge of the gathering, he caused a stir when answering a question about education reform. Mr. Biden said one problem black communities face is that the 'parents can't read or write themselves,' a remark that shocked and frustrated many in the close-knit group."
Going into 2020, Biden also falsely claimed that he had been arrested in Soweto while trying to visit Nelson Mandela in the 1980s.
So yeah, even if you ignore all the racist shyt Biden did in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, (opposing integration, opposing bussing, saying white people didn't owe black people anything, working with segregationists, praising segregationists, praising confederate flag fliers, kissing ass in the south, creating mass incarceration, etc.), he STILL has a shytty history in the 2000s and 2010s.
But if I oppose Biden in favor of a candidate who is better on race issues AND everything else too, I'm a "class reductionist" by association.
at the perfect replica of Bush's "I'm not going to answer whether I've used cocaine, but I definitely haven't used it in the last 17 years."I guess your "15 years" has to be perfectly timed to dodge his 2007 comments about Iowa schools only getting higher test scores than D.C. cause they don't have to deal with any Black kids?
Or maybe you were trying to avoid his 2007 comments about his presidential race opponent Barack Obama being the first competent Black politician.
Maybe you were trying to avoid his 2007 memoir, where he called bussing to integrate schools a "liberal trainwreck" and "asinine", even though studies after the fact showed that Black kids who were bussed earned 25% higher lifetime earnings than their classmates who weren't bussed.
Or perhaps that 2006 speech where he bragged that he could relate to the South because Delaware was a slave state too.
Or his 2003 eulogy for Strom Thurmond, where he claimed that his "friend" Strom wasn't a racist, and praised Thurmond's 1940s work to support reading programs at all-black schools....while insisting they remain all-black schools.
Let's not forget that 2008 speech where he called notorious racist and segregationist John C. Stennis "a hell of a guy."
Not that it actually ended then. He has plenty of the same shyt just since 2016.
In 2016, Biden again called segregationist John Stennis a "friend" and an "honorable man", and bragged that Stennis had tried to help get him the nomination in Mississippi in his 1988 presidential run.
In 2017, Biden said there were 7-8 old-fashioned white democrat segregationists in the Senate still when he entered, and he worked well with them and got things done.
In 2019, Biden again praised segregationists in the Senate and said, "at least they were civil, at least we got things done" He specifically praised Senator James O. Eastland, someone who had publicly referred to Black people as "an inferior race" and said that white people were "entitled to the pursuit of dead n****rs." Biden said, “I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland. He never called me boy, he always called me son.”
After that 2019 comment, when Black senators like Corey Booker and Kamala Harris asked Biden to apologize, he said, “Apologize for what? Cory should apologize. He knows better. There’s not a racist bone in my body; I’ve been involved in civil rights my whole career. Period. Period. Period.”
Later in 2019, Biden equated being Black with being poor. 'We have this notion that somehow if you're poor, you cannot do it, poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."
And again in 2019: "And the people who don't show up on the nights when there's a parent-teacher meeting are not people who in fact don't care, but folks from poor backgrounds. They don't show up because they're embarrassed. They're embarrassed the teacher's going to say — and it's hard to say, 'Well, I can't read,' or 'I don't …' I'm talking about not just people of color, but poor folks."
That same year, he claimed that Black parents can't read and that's why their kids don't succeed. "During a private meeting with prominent black mayors in Georgia last year, according to three people with direct knowledge of the gathering, he caused a stir when answering a question about education reform. Mr. Biden said one problem black communities face is that the 'parents can't read or write themselves,' a remark that shocked and frustrated many in the close-knit group."
Going into 2020, Biden also falsely claimed that he had been arrested in Soweto while trying to visit Nelson Mandela in the 1980s.
So yeah, even if you ignore all the racist shyt Biden did in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, (opposing integration, opposing bussing, saying white people didn't owe black people anything, working with segregationists, praising segregationists, praising confederate flag fliers, kissing ass in the south, creating mass incarceration, etc.), he STILL has a shytty history in the 2000s and 2010s.
But if I oppose Biden in favor of a candidate who is better on race issues AND everything else too, I'm a "class reductionist" by association.
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The AI just scours black Twitter operatives and uses phrases like that without a second thought.What do you think class reductionism means, Nap?
And the historical shyt before that that Biden was involved in was really, really bad.
Biden in 1970 blasted the ACLU for not defending rednecks who attack Black people.
Biden is DEFINITELY not a class reductionist, equating racist rednecks to Black people, is he, Nap?
Biden to a Delaware paper in 1975 made clear he didn't want Black kids rubbing shoulders with his white boys and thought they should stay in their place:
Also in 1975, Biden claimed that White people didn't owe Black people anything and suggested that Affirmative Action was unfair.
Throughout the 1970s, Biden actively worked with virulent racists like Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and others to oppose bussing by every means possible and even attempted to pass a federal law banning it.
In 1977, Biden made his famous "racial jungle" remark about why active integration needed to end.
He explicitly said in 1977 that he had joined the Judiciary Committee so he could stop bussing.
Again in 1977, Biden fought against two black men who Jimmy Carter appointed to the DOJ because they were supporters of bussing.
And in 1979, Biden voted to allow racially-segregated private schools to keep their tax-exempt status. How the hell does that help Black kids in any way whatsoever?
Biden in 1970 blasted the ACLU for not defending rednecks who attack Black people.
Biden is DEFINITELY not a class reductionist, equating racist rednecks to Black people, is he, Nap?
Biden to a Delaware paper in 1975 made clear he didn't want Black kids rubbing shoulders with his white boys and thought they should stay in their place:
Also in 1975, Biden claimed that White people didn't owe Black people anything and suggested that Affirmative Action was unfair.
Throughout the 1970s, Biden actively worked with virulent racists like Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and others to oppose bussing by every means possible and even attempted to pass a federal law banning it.
In 1977, Biden made his famous "racial jungle" remark about why active integration needed to end.
He explicitly said in 1977 that he had joined the Judiciary Committee so he could stop bussing.
Again in 1977, Biden fought against two black men who Jimmy Carter appointed to the DOJ because they were supporters of bussing.
And in 1979, Biden voted to allow racially-segregated private schools to keep their tax-exempt status. How the hell does that help Black kids in any way whatsoever?
With the help of segregationists, Biden won the bussing fight. And throughout the 1980s, he continued to praise segregationists and celebrate the work they did together.
Biden at the 1985 birthday party of rabid segregationist John C. Stennis:
Let's remember, John C. Stennis was a massive, zealous, full-throated segregationist. Before becoming a senator, he was a prosecutor in a famous case where three black men had confessions tortured out of them, he knew about the torture and prosecuted the case anyway. He was a strong supporter of Strom Thurmond's pro-segregation Dixiecrat ticket, he signed the Southern Manifesto to oppose Brown v. Board of Education, he voted against every Civil Rights and Voting Rights act of the 1960s, and as late as 1983, just two years before that birthday party, he voted against the establishment of MLK Jr. Day as a holiday. In a 1988 interview, Stennis refused to apologize for his pro-white crusades and said he had "done my duty" for the country. Yet Biden calls him "a man without guilt" and "the rockbed of integrity."
Biden on a 1986 trip to a white crowd in Alabama, was reported to have told white southerners that they had nothing left to apologize for.
In another trip to Alabama in 1987, Biden bragged about having received an award from George Wallace in the early 1970s, and bizarrely claimed that Delaware had been on the side of the South during the Civil War.
Biden in a 1989 speech responding to G.H.W. Bush's war on drugs:
Biden in 1993 referred to the "many fine people who continue to display the Confederate flag as a symbol."
Biden in a 1993 speech about drug laws:
But yeah, supporting Joe Biden is how I'll prove I care about race issues.
You haven't offered ONE actual piece of evidence, not even ONE quote from me, showing that I'm a class reductionist. You just hate that I share the socialist leaning of the vast majority of Civil Rights heroes.
Biden at the 1985 birthday party of rabid segregationist John C. Stennis:
Let's remember, John C. Stennis was a massive, zealous, full-throated segregationist. Before becoming a senator, he was a prosecutor in a famous case where three black men had confessions tortured out of them, he knew about the torture and prosecuted the case anyway. He was a strong supporter of Strom Thurmond's pro-segregation Dixiecrat ticket, he signed the Southern Manifesto to oppose Brown v. Board of Education, he voted against every Civil Rights and Voting Rights act of the 1960s, and as late as 1983, just two years before that birthday party, he voted against the establishment of MLK Jr. Day as a holiday. In a 1988 interview, Stennis refused to apologize for his pro-white crusades and said he had "done my duty" for the country. Yet Biden calls him "a man without guilt" and "the rockbed of integrity."
Biden on a 1986 trip to a white crowd in Alabama, was reported to have told white southerners that they had nothing left to apologize for.
In another trip to Alabama in 1987, Biden bragged about having received an award from George Wallace in the early 1970s, and bizarrely claimed that Delaware had been on the side of the South during the Civil War.
Biden in a 1989 speech responding to G.H.W. Bush's war on drugs:
Biden in 1993 referred to the "many fine people who continue to display the Confederate flag as a symbol."
Biden in a 1993 speech about drug laws:
But yeah, supporting Joe Biden is how I'll prove I care about race issues.
You haven't offered ONE actual piece of evidence, not even ONE quote from me, showing that I'm a class reductionist. You just hate that I share the socialist leaning of the vast majority of Civil Rights heroes.
This dude writes a mini thesis on a compendium of Biden's tone deaf shyt on race and can't say anything in the last decade while ignoring Bernie's performance in the last 6 years:
Anyone who defends bernie with the way you defended bernie with your particular arguments is a class reductionist, a paranoid, obsessive, weird, class reductionist. In fact, it pains you that I've called you out for what you are. You've shared your thoughts exhaustively on this forum and now we're supposed to be gaslight about how you argue and represent yourself.
How many more examples do we need of you just endorsing this weird ahistorical, poorly endorsed, and frankly delusional bernie takes or invoking capitalism for the reason you stubbed your toe ass explanations for all the world's ills?
You're a class reductionist. Its ok. It's not fatal. But I'm not going to be gaslight by you any further on this. Look at how you behave.
With the help of segregationists, Biden won the bussing fight. And throughout the 1980s, he continued to praise segregationists and celebrate the work they did together.
But yeah, supporting Joe Biden is how I'll prove I care about race issues.
You haven't offered ONE actual piece of evidence, not even ONE quote from me, showing that I'm a class reductionist. You just hate that I share the socialist leaning of the vast majority of Civil Rights heroes.
Anyone who defends bernie with the way you defended bernie with your particular arguments is a class reductionist, a paranoid, obsessive, weird, class reductionist. In fact, it pains you that I've called you out for what you are. You've shared your thoughts exhaustively on this forum and now we're supposed to be gaslight about how you argue and represent yourself.
- Bernie Sanders Reached Out to Black Voters. Why Didn’t It Work?
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7b8b8e-685e-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html
- Why Bernie Sanders Isn’t Winning Over Black Voters Opinion | Why Sanders Isn’t Winning Over Black Voters (Published 2020)
- Bernie Sanders lost the Black vote. That's probably a problem going forward.
- Bernie Sanders’s failure to win over black voters on Tuesday could doom his campaign
- https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/opinions/bernie-sanders-black-voters-opinion-martin/index.html
- https://www.capradio.org/articles/2...olor-in-california-and-was-it-not-even-close/
- Sanders Struggles With Black Voters Despite Positive Signs
- Black Voters Didn’t Vote for Biden in South Carolina Because They ‘Lack Information’
- How Bernie Sanders Is Working to Win Over Black Voters
- Opinion | Why do black voters support Biden? Not because they're moderates
- I worked for Bernie in 2016. Here's why Black voters aren't feeling the Bern in 2020
How many more examples do we need of you just endorsing this weird ahistorical, poorly endorsed, and frankly delusional bernie takes or invoking capitalism for the reason you stubbed your toe ass explanations for all the world's ills?
You're a class reductionist. Its ok. It's not fatal. But I'm not going to be gaslight by you any further on this. Look at how you behave.
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