The Long-Shot Candidate Who Has the White House Worried - Joe Biden has a Cornel West problem.

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Nap thinks having any amount of focus on any class issue at all is being a class reductionist. He likes putting people in boxes that he can easily dismiss. He either has no idea what the term means or he is purposefully trying to misrepresent in bad faith. With him it could honestly be either one.
 

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Nap thinks having any amount of focus on any class issue at all is being a class reductionist. He likes putting people in boxes that he can easily dismiss.
no, but since you mention it, I think the black leftists get siren songed into oblivious by being coopted by white leftists who want to avoid the race problem.



He either has no idea what the term means or he is purposefully trying to misrepresent in bad faith. With him it could honestly be either one.

As usual, any opposition is coded as misunderstanding or an intellectual flaw, not legitimate disagreement.
 

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I’m not a fukking autist.

Why do you treat autism like some sort of catch-all insult? Grow up.




You’ve denied being a class reductionist except when you continually admit defending these specious Bernie conspiracies and doubling down on these failed red brown strategies.

Great circular argument. You just define anyone who defends Bernie as a class reductionist because.... they defend Bernie.

How the fukk is it class reductionist to choose Bernie over Biden when Biden has been worse on every racial issue for the last 50 years?

In the 1970s, Biden started slamming busing and calling it the most racist policy ever. Then he slammed reparations. They he wrote the infamous crime bills from 1986-1994, and completely ignored Bernie's arguments that they would disproportionately harm the black community. He bragged about his ability to work across the aisle with racists and white supremacists. He called Barack Obama the first black candidate ever who was actually clean and articulate. He is trash on race issues.

“I don’t feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather. I feel responsible for what the situation is today, for the sins of my own generation. And I’ll be damned if I feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago.” - Joe Biden

It's somehow class reductionist to support the candidate who has been consistently better on race issues, with zero evidence that I've ever made a class reductionist argument anywhere? How the fukk does that work?



You posted all those links like we don’t know you or what you stand for. You can’t gish gallop me then pretend you’re above the fray when you don’t like the answer.

You think you can falsely accuse me of a Gish Gallop so you can ignore the proof that you were lying? A Gish Gallop is when someone makes a ton of bad arguments in a row so that it takes too much energy to deal with every one. I'm only making one very clear argument - that I care deeply about race issues - and proved it through dozens of explicit, undeniable examples of me forcefully pushing black issues.

You can't just arbitrarily claim everyone to your left is a class reductionist. Are you denying that I've been a strong, consistent advocate of Black issues or not?
 
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As usual, any opposition is coded as misunderstanding or an intellectual flaw, not legitimate disagreement.


But you have no legitimate disagreement. You have been unable to cite a single example of me opposing a pro-Black Biden policy. You have been unable to cite a single example of me dismissing a Black concern that Biden has elevated.

You falsely tar me a "class reductionist" solely because I'm further to the left than you on economic issues, despite the fact that I'm also further to the left than you on race issues and have argued pro-black concerns on this site stronger and more often than you ever have. It's just bullshyt name calling.
 
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But you have no legitimate disagreement. You have been unable to cite a single example of me opposing a pro-Black Biden policy. You have been unable to cite a single example of me dismissing a Black concern that Biden has elevated.

You falsely tar me a "class reductionist" solely because I'm further to the left than you on economic issues, despite the fact that I'm also further to the left than you on race issues and have argued pro-black concerns on this site stronger and more often than you ever have. It's just bullshyt name calling.
Truly astonishing how napoleon manages to be far worse in here than swagnificent ever was in the coliseum :hhh:
 

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Why do you treat autism like some sort of catch-all insult? Grow up.
Hit dogs :sas2:

Great circular argument. You just define anyone who defends Bernie as a class reductionist because.... they defend Bernie.

You are posting the dates of random news articles saying bernie cant win as the reason why bernie didn't get voter support :dead:...you did this for the Washington post...affecting California voters :mjlol:

You're better than this butterfly effect bullshyt :heh:

How the fukk is it class reductionist to choose Bernie over Biden when Biden has been worse on every racial issue for the last 50 years?
Bernie can't win elections and biden can and has installed more black judges than any living president and Brought more black voices into the White House than any executive figure as VP and President

In the 1970s, Biden started slamming busing and calling it the most racist policy ever. Then he slammed reparations. They he wrote the infamous crime bills from 1986-1994, and completely ignored Bernie's arguments that they would disproportionately harm the black community. He bragged about his ability to work across the aisle with racists and white supremacists. He called Barack Obama the first black candidate ever who was actually clean and articulate. He is trash on race issues.

Its 2023, now you're talking about race issues :laff:

I'm calling out your class reductionism :mjgrin:

biden called out white supremacy and has been batting 1000 since 2008.

“I don’t feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather. I feel responsible for what the situation is today, for the sins of my own generation. And I’ll be damned if I feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago.” - Joe Biden

It's somehow class reductionist to support the candidate who has been consistently better on race issues, with zero evidence that I've ever made a class reductionist argument anywhere? How the fukk does that work?




You think you can falsely accuse me of a Gish Gallop so you can ignore the proof that you were lying?
Like when you lied about defending bernie through these Rube Goldberg explanations about how the media screwed bernie.

Where's Pepe Silvia? :troll:

A Gish Gallop is when someone makes a ton of bad arguments in a row so that it takes too much energy to deal with every one. I'm only making one very clear argument - that I care deeply about race issues

Black voters, like me, know who can win electorally. Bernie chose not to listen to black voters.

- and proved it through dozens of explicit, undeniable examples of me forcefully pushing black issues.

You can't just arbitrarily claim everyone to your left is a class reductionist.


You're a class reductionist. You dont get to rebrand in a new thread.

Are you denying that I've been a strong, consistent advocate of Black issues or not?

See why I call you an autist? You fukking dork? I didn't say you don't care about black issues. You made up this puppet then started shadowboxing.
 

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But you have no legitimate disagreement. You have been unable to cite a single example of me opposing a pro-Black Biden policy.
I never said you you did this.

I said you're a class reductionist.
You have been unable to cite a single example of me dismissing a Black concern that Biden has elevated.
You made up something I never said then started running with it

Tell your docs to adjust your dose .
You falsely tar me a "class reductionist" solely because I'm further to the left than you on economic issues, despite the fact that I'm also further to the left than you on race issues and have argued pro-black concerns on this site stronger and more often than you ever have. It's just bullshyt name calling.

I have more pro-black threads on this forum than anyone. Check my thread signature. You're not gonna win this one, either.
 

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Nap thinks having any amount of focus on any class issue at all is being a class reductionist. He likes putting people in boxes that he can easily dismiss. He either has no idea what the term means or he is purposefully trying to misrepresent in bad faith. With him it could honestly be either one.

And we have a verdict - he really doesn't know what "class reductionist" means.



2023, now you're talking about race issues :laff:

I posted links from 2015, from my very first month on the forum, liar. I was publishing papers on Black issues in Black journals back in the 1990s when you were in diapers.





You're a class reductionist. You dont get to rebrand in a new thread.

See why I call you an autist? You fukking dork? I didn't say you don't care about black issues. You made up this puppet then started shadowboxing.

Class reductionism is literally the position that class issues should be prioritized and not race issues. Someone who cares about prioritising race issues can't be a class reductionist.




I never said you you did this.

I said you're a class reductionist.

Then you literally don't know what it means. You can't call every person who cares about economic issues too a "class reductionist" unless they argue for diminishing Black issues. And I have NEVER done that.

@LOST IN THE SAUCE is right, you literally don't know what the term means and that's why you haven't even tried to cite a single example of me doing it.
 

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And we have a verdict - he really doesn't know what "class reductionist" means.
Was a definition requested you fukking autist?

Stop acting like one , or not, it's up to you, and I'll stop calling you one.
I posted links from 2015, from my very first month on the forum, liar. I was publishing papers on Black issues in Black journals back in the 1990s when you were in diapers.

not sure what that has to do with you having the political insight of a naive cult member.

and the 90s? Yeah, I'm older than that, boo boo.

Do your research on me. Or not. Whatever. You're not even trying anymore.

Class reductionism is literally the position that class issues should be prioritized and not race issues. Someone who cares about prioritising race issues can't be a class reductionist.

Which you believe. As demonstrated by all these long ass posts you've authored all these years by Gish-galloping responds and hoping to intimidate anyone who didn't get into a decent undergrad. These games dont work on me...and I think you know that.

Then you literally don't know what it means.
You're doing this bullshyt game where you assert when you didn't get the answer you want, that therefore, someone doesn't know what they're talking about. You didn't even ask for a definition of class reductionism...you're just mad I called you one (because you are) and that you're scrambling to find the key piece of evidence that can be pinned on you since it offends you so much.

Anyone who defends bernie that much is a class reductionist...in addition to these little hints you keep dropping about how you think social policy will mitigate the effects of racism and your rampant targeting of capitalism for every single ill and ailment.

Heres your reading for this week:



You can't call every person who cares about economic issues too a "class reductionist" unless they argue for diminishing Black issues. And I have NEVER done that.

@LOST IN THE SAUCE is right, you literally don't know what the term means and that's why you haven't even tried to cite a single example of me doing it.

I care about economic issues enough to win.

You got duped by the "squad"

Mind you, did you start this thread?

No? :sas1:

 

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Was a definition requested you fukking autist?

Stop acting like one , or not, it's up to you, and I'll stop calling you one.

I'm certain you don't know what that word means either. And calling someone autistic isn't an insult - there are plenty of "autists" who have made far, far more out of their lives than you ever will.




Which you believe. As demonstrated by all these long ass posts you've authored all these years by Gish-galloping responds and hoping to intimidate anyone who didn't get into a decent undergrad. These games dont work on me...and I think you know that.

Long posts pushing race issues proves that I deprioritize race issues? Try and make that make sense.







You didn't even ask for a definition of class reductionism...you're just mad I called you one (because you are) and that you're scrambling to find the key piece of evidence that can be pinned on you since it offends you so much.

You're babbling. Why would I ask for the definition of a word if I already know what it means? Why would I be scrambling to find evidence against myself?

You're the one who brought "class reductionism" into the conversation, it's your job to use it correctly and to find the examples of me doing it. Neither of which you've been able to do.




Anyone who defends bernie that much is a class reductionist.

lol, so is anyone who defends Biden a straight racist, considering how many times he's pushed racist positions or defended racists? By your argument, howw could he call segregationist "heroes" and refer to Strorm Thurmond as a great man "like Robert E. Lee" if he wasn't feeling the same way? You know, since you believe guilt by association is valid.














It's mind blowing that you can claim supporting Bernie proves I don't care about race issues, when the alternative option was far worse on race issues. That's logical nonsence.

You can't call people class reductionists solely because they're socialists. That's disrespectful to the entire history of our civil rights heroes, the vast majority of which has FAR more in common with Bernie than with Biden.
 
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