The Long-Shot Candidate Who Has the White House Worried - Joe Biden has a Cornel West problem.

[Regular_P]

There's still people who don't have nap blocked?

 

[mastermind]

class reductionism is a myth

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Class reductionism is the belief that you don't need to address racial issues and disparities, because the harm that impacts black folk is solely due to their economic position and can be resolved by solely economic means.

we got you doggie.

I've never done that. And you're not quoting me doing anything like that. I honestly have no idea how you think Bernie's statement is class reductionism.

Because you're a class reductionist

of course you don't get it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

class reductionism is a myth

yeah to white leftists who underachieved in life

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Do you honestly think that targeting the White working class is class reductionism? Cause Biden does that all the time, and he does it WITHOUT mentioning their race, which is part of what class reductionism actually entails. Is this class reductionism or not?

You tell me

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

When hes caught, he claims he doesn't know what a class reductionist is when bernie got called out for doing that shyt

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

class reductionism is a myth

I wouldn't say that. I've definitely heard/seen some class reductionist takes before with the backlash to pandering and identity politics from the last few years. You'll always find some goofy on twitter espousing any kind of horse shyt though.

I think the concept that it's anything more than an insignificant fringe view that doesn't have any traction is the myth.

 

[Pressure]

Can focusing on class instead of race solve our country’s equity issues?

Liberal academic Richard Kahlenberg thinks the only way to truly solve America’s deep inequities is to look at class, not race. "When we focus exclusively on race and ignore the class issues, we are missing a huge part of what makes society unfair in America today."

www.wbur.org

The Affirmative Action That Colleges Really Need

Universities want to protect the status quo, because it’s easy for them.

www.theatlantic.com

Class-based affirmative action

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

Affirmative action should be based on class, not race

Focusing on the disadvantaged of all races is fairer and more appealing, writes Richard Kahlenberg, a scholar

www.economist.com

The Liberal Maverick Fighting Race-Based Affirmative Action

For decades, Richard Kahlenberg has pushed for a class-conscious approach to college admissions. He may finally get his wish, but it comes at a personal cost.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I wouldn't say that. I've definitely heard/seen some class reductionist takes before with the backlash to pandering and identity politics from the last few years. You'll always find some goofy on twitter espousing any kind of horse shyt though.

I think the concept that it's anything more than an insignificant fringe view that doesn't have any traction is the myth.

Yeah, I'm with you. Class Reductionism does exist. Even before the "backlash" period you mention, there was a mainstream view in the 1990s and 2000s that poor black people had the same problems as poor white people and only their poverty was keeping them down, not their race. TBH, it was more a mainstream centrist view that both liberals and conservatives exposed. I wouldn't be surprised if some socialists expressed it too.

But literally nobody here expresses it, so far as I've seen.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

When hes caught, he claims he doesn't know what a class reductionist is when bernie got called out for doing that shyt

Why do you make up shyt? Unlike you, I defined the term precisely. You're the only one in the conversation who doesn't know was a class reductionist is.

Joe Biden Says ‘Poor Kids’ Are Just as Bright as ‘White Kids’ (Published 2019)

Mr. Biden was speaking at a town hall hosted by the Asian & Latino Coalition in Des Moines when he made the remark, which he quickly sought to recover from.

www.nytimes.com

What Joe Biden’s Latest Gaffe Reveals

He equated being poor with being a person of color. But many people share that sociological assumption.

www.theatlantic.com

"Poor kids" are just as bright as "white kids"? Did he just reduce the Black experience to being poor, or equate race with class? That wouldn't be.....class reductionist, would it?

Spoiler

I'm mostly trolling now, because true Class Reductionist views require more than just subconsciously mixing up race with class. But what Biden said there is easily closer to the true definition of class reductionism than anything I have ever said or supporting.

 

[Mook]

There's still people who don't have nap blocked?

Rhakim just as crazy as nap is. Both might be autistic. Nap definitely autistic.




This is nap. If you engage with him the only conclusion would be that you're also one of these.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Rhakim just as crazy as nap is. Both might be autistic. Nap definitely autistic.




This is nap. If you engage with him the only conclusion would be that you're also one of these.

Aren’t you maga?

 

[Mook]

Aren’t you maga?

No dumbass

 

[mastermind]

I wouldn't say that. I've definitely heard/seen some class reductionist takes before with the backlash to pandering and identity politics from the last few years. You'll always find some goofy on twitter espousing any kind of horse shyt though.

I think the concept that it's anything more than an insignificant fringe view that doesn't have any traction is the myth.

Exactly. There are rare people who say it, but socialists, communists and leftists have been advocating for civil rights, women rights, lgbtq rights, immigration rates, etc forever and been a large part in these movements. For black civil rights, when shyt actually made progress, it was leftists and socialists leading. Why? Because you can’t have these reckonings without an economic reckoning.

Prof. Adolph Reed had a good article on this in 2019:

The Myth of Class Reductionism

The fight for racial and gender justice has always been about economic inequality, too.

newrepublic.com

“Class reductionism” is, in other words, a myth. It is a caricature rooted in hoary folk imagery, likely as not originating in tales of late-1960s debates during the raucous disintegration of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), as a clutch of nominal socialists insisted that any distinct focus on racial and gender injustice would undermine the greater political goal of working-class unity. But even at its height, this view only gained currency among a very small cohort of sectarian dogmatists. Throughout the first half of the twentieth century, Communists, Socialists, labor-leftists, and Marxists of all stripes characteristically were in the forefront of struggles for racial and gender justice. And that commitment was natural, because such leftists saw those struggles as inextricable from the more general goal of social transformation along egalitarian lines; they properly understood the battles for racial and gender equity as constitutive elements of the struggle for working-class power. Class reductive leftism is a figment of the political imagination roused by those who have made their peace with neoliberalism.

The myth, moreover, obscures important contemporary and historical realities.

Black, female, and trans people tend to be disproportionately working class. So any measure to advance broad downward economic redistribution—from Medicare for All to a $15 hourly minimum wage—can’t coherently be said to thwart the interests of women, racial minorities, or other identity groups. What’s more, this brand of class denialism artificially separates race, gender, and other ascriptive identities from the basic dynamics of American capitalism. True, African Americans, Latinos, and women are disproportionately poor or working class due to a long history of racial and gender discrimination in labor and housing markets—conditions that have worsened alongside the postwar deindustrialization of American cities. But this means that these populations would benefit disproportionately from initiatives geared to improve the circumstances of poor and working-class people in general.

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As American politics shifted steadily rightward between the Nixon and Clinton presidencies, so, too, did the discourse surrounding race and the country’s political economy. Conservatives attributed black socioeconomic inequalities to bad values; liberals attributed them to bad values and racism. Once it was effectively decoupled from political-economic dynamics, “racism” became increasingly amorphous as a charge or diagnosis—a blur of attitudes, utterances, individual actions, and patterned disparities, an autonomous force that acts outside of historically specific social relations. Today it serves as a single, all-purpose explanation for mass incarceration, the wealth gap, the wage gap, police brutality, racially disproportionate rates of poverty and unemployment, slavery, the Southern Jim Crow regime, health disparities, the drug war, random outbursts of individual bigotry, voter suppression, and more.

The obvious racial disparities are cause for concern, but the way forward is precisely through the kinds of social and economic policies that address black people as workers, students, parents, taxpayers, citizens, people in need of decent jobs, housing, and health care, or concerned with foreign policy—not to homogenize them under a monolithic racial classification. Thanks to this misguided reflex, we now routinely act as though initiatives directed to address working-class concerns can’t suffice for African Americans, since they’re class reductionist and therefore racially exclusionary. Ironically, as Touré Reed also points out, this perspective is race reductionist: It presumes that key policies and initiatives must always and everywhere be tailored to singularly African American-branded issues in order to appear to address African Americans’ needs.

Ask yourself, who in oppressed communities benefits from thinking only in a racial lens and forgoing class? It ain’t the working class in those communities.

Im not saying there are not people who think only in class, but no one listens to them, and no one has ever listened to them.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Exactly. There are rare people who say it, but socialists, communists and leftists have been advocating for civil rights, women rights, lgbtq rights, immigration rates, etc forever and been a large part in these movements. For black civil rights, when shyt actually made progress, it was leftists and socialists leading. Why? Because you can’t have these reckonings without an economic reckoning.

Prof. Adolph Reed had a good article on this in 2019:

The Myth of Class Reductionism

The fight for racial and gender justice has always been about economic inequality, too.

newrepublic.com

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Ask yourself, who in oppressed communities benefits from thinking only in a racial lens and forgoing class? It ain’t the working class in those communities.

Im not saying there are not people who think only in class, but no one listens to them, and no one has ever listened to them.

This is bullshyt the Black women have similar economic mobility as White women. Black men being stifled drives most of the disparities that we see in the Black community.

The inheritance of black poverty: It's all about the men

Scott Winship, Richard Reeves, and Katherine Guyot find that closing the race gaps in upward mobility will require wholesale shifts in economic outcomes, perhaps above all for men’s earnings.

www.brookings.edu

Extensive Data Shows Punishing Reach of Racism for Black Boys (Published 2018)

A study of 20 million children shows the fragility of the American Dream.

www.nytimes.com

‘When I See Racial Disparities, I See Racism.’ Discussing Race, Gender and Mobility (Published 2018)

After we wrote last week about a sweeping new study of income inequality in the United States, we heard from hundreds of readers. Here is a selection of their questions, with responses from reporters, authors of the study and experts in the field.

www.nytimes.com

All of the data says it's a RACE ISSUE not a class issue.