The Little Known Biblical Curse of Egypt by Isaiah

[MMS]

One word, "How?"

the word for "woman" in hebrew is אִשָּׁ֔ה (EE-SHAW?)

its gematria adds up to "306"

happy wife happy life

We are living in a world of illusion

Yall needa cut the bullshyt out :mjlol:

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[DoubleClutch]

of course

that said, lets remember the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Nahor (river) etc...

God made man in his own image, after his likeness, male and female created he them.

then in Genesis 2, he makes a deep sleep fall over "Adam" whom he presumably either made

• on the first page
• or on the second page, meaning there is an image of god that is male/female separate from Adam.

The Ashtoreth, Athirat, Asherah etc are all allegories of the "great house" or the "Universe" as you would call it in science.

So when the priests worshipped the "great house" they were paying homage to old creation rituals that would not make sense to you (not really to me either)

In either case, the "languages" that existed in Babylon and before hand did not "disappear" they just arent taught to people. People want to know things like this but their unbelief and the world they live in make it difficult to contemplate ancient things IMO

From my perspective making sense of the polytheistic cultures and the monotheistic present (the world as spoken by YHWH) it is a worthless endeavor to assume yourself a creator on equal footing with that God. Which is what those ancient cultures were doing (see Amorites) basically baking new spiritual bread and hoping the "great house" replicates it.

@Koichos could probably answer this better.

Maybe it went over my head but you need to break this down in a YouTube video or something.

I probably already follow your channel

 

[DoubleClutch]

Only just.


What about it?


It might help you to consider the closing two verses of the book Kohelet, in which King Sh'lomοh writes

Thus, it is not the person per se who will be judged, but each individual action that he did during his life.


Which verse(s)?

I’ll come back to the afterlife concepts but I just discovered a new belief in Judaism I wasn’t aware of

You not view the “devil” or Satan as intrinsically bad or “evil” but rather a “positive” agent of Gods will/plan

And basically Satan is The Accuser or The Adversary. His job is to observe mankind and test human faith, in service to God.

And also:

There is no concept of a Devil in Judaism, nor in Hell, nor in a heavenly being who is able to defy God successfully and live as an eternal antagonist to him

^ quotes from another blog

So if all the above is true, how to Judaism followers view the serpent in the Garden of eden or “fallen angels”?

 

[MMS]

I’ll come back to the afterlife concepts but I just discovered a new belief in Judaism I wasn’t aware of

You not view the “devil” or Satan as intrinsically bad or “evil” but rather a “positive” agent of Gods will/plan

And basically Satan is The Accuser or The Adversary. His job is to observe mankind and test human faith, in service to God.

And also:

There is no concept of a Devil in Judaism, nor in Hell, nor in a heavenly being who is able to defy God successfully and live as an eternal antagonist to him

^ quotes from another blog

So if all the above is true, how to Judaism followers view the serpent in the Garden of eden or “fallen angels”?

Maybe it went over my head but you need to break this down in a YouTube video or something.

I probably already follow your channel

My answer may help with both quotes

A great deal of christian writings that arent in the bible were meant to create things, rather than relay messages.

If God determined that it was good for man to have an adversary, it means he felt opposing forces were a natural and necessary quality of creation

greek/persian attempts to flesh out "the adversary" or even assign him as God falls into the trap of Jannes and Jambres whom Paul alone seemed to know

New Testament and Second Temple literature[edit]​

Main article: Apocryphon of Jannes and Jambres
The names Jannes and Jambres (Greek: Ἰάννης, Ἰαμβρῆς; Iannēs, Iambrēs) appear in 2 Timothy[2] in the New Testament. Origen says that there was an apocryphal book called The Book of Jannes and Jambres, containing details of their exploits, and that Paul the Apostle was quoting from it. This book, known as The Apocryphon of Jannes and Jambres the magicians, exists in some Greek fragments present in the Chester Beatty Papyri No XVI (which has been edited and translated by Albert Pietersma[3]), and in an extensive Ethiopic fragment which was discovered in 2014.[4] It was also probably known to the Qumran community, since the Qumran community refers to one of the magicians by the name of Jannes.[5] The Testament of Solomon also refers to the magicians by the name of Jannes and Jambres.

Greco-Roman literature[edit]​

The name of Jannes not as that of a magical opponent of Moses but as the originator with Moses and one Lotapea[6] (or Lotapes[7]) of a sect of magicians occurs in Pliny the Elder's Natural History (XXX, II, 11);[8] Pliny's citation is also referred to in Apuleius. Numenius of Apamea, a Neopythagorean philosopher, called them sacred Egyptian scribes. The Gospel of Nicodemus also refers to the magicians by the name of Jannes and Jambres.

In a brief passage cited in Eusebius' Praeparatio evangelica, Numenius said that "Jannes and Jambres were able to undo, publicly, even the greatest of the disasters that Moses brought against Egypt." This statement contradicts the biblical account according to which the magicians were able to follow Moses' acts only to the second plague inclusive (Ex 8:18).[9]

the Gospels rely on "The Angel of the LORD" appearing to Joseph and Mary and declaring they should go into Egypt

and Joseph in the old testament, also went forth to save his "brothers" from the famine in Canaan. The better question is why does Canaan become subject to a recurring famine

 

[Marks]

the word for "woman" in hebrew is אִשָּׁ֔ה (EE-SHAW?)

its gematria adds up to "306"

happy wife happy life

We are living in a world of illusion

Yall needa cut the bullshyt out :mjlol:

www.thecoli.com

Just two away from 304 huh

 

[MMS]

Just two short of 304 huh

the two ladies... maybe Paul misgendered the magicians

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/we-are-living-in-a-world-of-illusion.824646/page-31#post-44342116

 

[DoubleClutch]

My answer may help with both quotes

A great deal of christian writings that arent in the bible were meant to create things, rather than relay messages.

If God determined that it was good for man to have an adversary, it means he felt opposing forces were a natural and necessary quality of creation

greek/persian attempts to flesh out "the adversary" or even assign him as God falls into the trap of Jannes and Jambres whom Paul alone seemed to know



the Gospels rely on "The Angel of the LORD" appearing to Joseph and Mary and declaring they should go into Egypt

and Joseph in the old testament, also went forth to save his "brothers" from the famine in Canaan. The better question is why does Canaan become subject to a recurring famine

We all know Satan or the Devil represents an “opposing force” to God because it’s clear in the Bible and Jesus speaks on it. This isnt a narrative or idea that man created.

Maybe YOUR perspective or interpretation might be different.... that’s what I’m asking

And to you is “Sin” an “opposing force”?

Do you believe in the concept of “original sin”

Does Sin = Evil

Or do you even believe in the concept of “evil” being “bad”?

This question can be for @Koichos from a Jewish perspective also

And @MMS you can drop that YouTube link if it answers the questions better

 

[MMS]

We all know Satan or the Devil represents an “opposing force” to God because it’s clear in the Bible and Jesus speaks on it. This isnt a narrative or idea that man created.

Maybe YOUR perspective or interpretation might be different.... that’s what I’m asking

And to you is “Sin” an “opposing force”?

Do you believe in the concept of “original sin”

Does Sin = Evil

Or do you even believe in the concept of “evil” being “bad”?

This question can be for @Koichos from a Jewish perspective also

And @MMS you can drop that YouTube link if it answers the questions better

funny you say that "its clear in the bible and Jesus speaks on it" (pbuh)

actually "Satan" is only mentioned as a descriptor rather than a personal name in the OLD testament. Its only in the New Testament is Satan used as a "name"

whereas in the hebrew texts it just means "adversary". So when Jesus is debating Satan he is really debating the spirit of his own pride.



Which might not make sense the first read through...unless he really meant that Peter is Satan

I do not believe in Original sin, nor do I believe that Sin as we know it is what it originally meant

I think it literally had to do with the old moon deity Sin whom you keep trying to link to Islam

 

[DoubleClutch]

funny you say that "its clear in the bible and Jesus speaks on it" (pbuh)

actually "Satan" is only mentioned as a descriptor rather than a personal name in the OLD testament. Its only in the New Testament is Satan used as a "name"

whereas in the hebrew texts it just means "adversary". So when Jesus is debating Satan he is really debating the spirit of his own pride.



Which might not make sense the first read through...unless he really meant that Peter is Satan

I do not believe in Original sin, nor do I believe that Sin as we know it is what it originally meant

I think it literally had to do with the old moon deity Sin whom you keep trying to link to Islam

It’s clear in the sense that’s what people believed and understood as early Christians (who were basically Jewish btw) historically because that’s what was written.

Kinda off topic, but you don’t think the era post Jesus/the messiah is different than the time of the OT stories regarding God/Israel? You keep comparing old times to modern times.

It’s ok if you believe in evil or the Christian idea of the “devil ” But how do you explain the story of Job

And there’s a whole narrative about Jesus being “tempted” by Satan/the devil, something etc.... and you’re telling me Jesus is just having a conversation with himself?

Or maybe you are saying Jesus had the “devil” in him

You see how ANYTHING can be interpreted from your POV.

So basically the gospels is an allegory and not meant to be taken seriously as a historical account about what actually happened in the life of jesus. That’s how read it?

Are demons when mentioned by Jesus also imaginary and open to interpretation also?

Something has to be taken literally, breh.

You probably don’t even believe Jesus was killed/crucified just like Muslims do you?

New Testament is reality.

At some point you gotta cross the line from Fantasy stories of ancient religions to reality & real history with a real person.

Jesus does that just like Jordan Peterson said (and I think you remember the interview ) and no other religion has a figure to accomplish this. Not before or after.

Mini rant while I still wait on @Koichos to answer

 

[MMS]

It’s clear in the sense that’s what people believed and understood as early Christians (who were basically Jewish btw) historically because that’s what was written.

Kinda off topic, but you don’t think the era post Jesus/the messiah is different than the time of the OT stories regarding God/Israel? You keep comparing old times to modern times.

It’s ok if you believe in evil or the Christian idea of the “devil ” But how do you explain the story of Job

And there’s a whole narrative about Jesus being “tempted” by Satan/the devil, something etc.... and you’re telling me Jesus is just having a conversation with himself?

Or maybe you are saying Jesus had the “devil” in him

You see how ANYTHING can be interpreted from your POV.

So basically the gospels is an allegory and not meant to be taken seriously as a historical account about what actually happened in the life of jesus. That’s how read it?

Are demons when mentioned by Jesus also imaginary and open to interpretation also?

Something has to be taken literally, breh.

You probably don’t even believe Jesus was killed/crucified just like Muslims do you?

New Testament is reality.

At some point you gotta cross the line from Fantasy stories of ancient religions to reality & real history with a real person.

Jesus does that just like Jordan Peterson said (and I think you remember the interview ) and no other religion has a figure to accomplish this. Not before or after.

Mini rant while I still wait on @Koichos to answer

there are alot of questions in this

firstly "Satan" isnt necessarily evil. Imagine a mirror so complex that it can show you any reflection physical and non-physical @Marks

Numbers 22:11 Hebrew Text Analysis

the old testament times don't completely make sense because you arent reading it properly

the stories coming out of Judah are weapons against other nations. The movie Prometheus touches on it where the "Engineers" (think Egyptians) leave vases filled with strange organisms (Israelite spies) that once you touch them they latch on to you.

What you are not considering is a time where people could make up anything they like about anything at all and use it however they wish. The bronze age cultures were ultimately united not only in their belief in God but also that God actively fought for them through them however he wished (see the title Lord of HOSTS) thats why the Bronze age collapse was so devastating because while they may have been polytheist most of them collectively believed something.

So when you read Judges, Kings, Chronicles they know that the flesh that bears witness to them will pass, but the words themselves will last forever. Consider that in the context of "eternity"

So when you read Job it is doing more than you think its doing or rather you arent taking it serious enough (he could take everything BUT his/your life)

As I said to @JoelB Herods attempts to kill Jesus are throughout the entire Gospels. There is a reason only one Gospel has the "infancy" narrative

You read the bible like a history book, I'm reading it as a living book.

 

[MMS]

so while this idea is fresh in my head I want to expound on it because I know that the topic has generated both positive and negative feedback

@Marks @Koichos @DoubleClutch @Complexion

and thats the line from David in Psalm 82 saying "Ye are Gods" but will die like mere men

So lets assume, that man is an extraordinarily complex being that is multi-dimensional in nature and capable of almost anything

now lets assume the opposite idea about God in that rather than having infinite qualities he has one singular quality and that is finality. The ability to collapse the objective function, rather than somethingness being in flux it becomes static.

So basically us multidimensional folk are always in state of movement but "God" is in a state of non-movement such that he cannot be said to be apart of our reality (which assumedly is always moving)

Similarly to God we can alter the flow of reality by decisions, but unlike God we are constantly changing while God is not only not changing but not subject to the physical happenings in our reality. So in essence our ability to "create" is always at the expense of something connected to our persons.

This is just a theory in order to explain why David said what he said here. So I am not necessarily ruling out the possibilities of man but to expose a possible extreme limitation when in consideration of higher ideas.

Psalm 82:6 Interlinear: I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of the Most High -- all of you,

now I need to say, I do not believe God is actually limited in this way but rather to show the "unstoppable force" and "immovable object" type problems that arises when in consideration of the power of "creation" especially via speech (the burden of Egypt)

 

[Marks]

so while this idea is fresh in my head I want to expound on it because I know that the topic has generated both positive and negative feedback

@Marks @Koichos @DoubleClutch @Complexion

and thats the line from David in Psalm 82 saying "Ye are Gods" but will die like mere men

So lets assume, that man is an extraordinarily complex being that is multi-dimensional in nature and capable of almost anything

now lets assume the opposite idea about God in that rather than having infinite qualities he has one singular quality and that is finality. The ability to collapse the objective function, rather than somethingness being in flux it becomes static.

So basically us multidimensional folk are always in state of movement but "God" is in a state of non-movement such that he cannot be said to be apart of our reality (which assumedly is always moving)

Similarly to God we can alter the flow of reality by decisions, but unlike God we are constantly changing while God is not only not changing but not subject to the physical happenings in our reality. So in essence our ability to "create" is always at the expense of something connected to our persons.

This is just a theory in order to explain why David said what he said here. So I am not necessarily ruling out the possibilities of man but to expose a possible extreme limitation when in consideration of higher ideas.

Psalm 82:6 Interlinear: I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of the Most High -- all of you,

now I need to say, I do not believe God is actually limited in this way but rather to show the "unstoppable force" and "immovable object" type problems that arises when in consideration of the power of "creation" especially via speech (the burden of Egypt)

Be still, and know that I am God

Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him

He calms the storm,
So that its waves are still.

Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace;
When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive.

Have a blessed week.

Spoiler

I'm with you. I mentioned in that other thread thats sort of what I consider God to be as well. Like a force that encompasses everything. Not a new thought either, iirc Spinoza thought along these lines as well which why he was telling ppl to just enjoy life and seek understanding. That to make art or study science, to try to understand the world you live and its laws (of nature) is essentially getting to know God. The 17th century Jews ran him out of town and literally cursed him for talking/writing about this.

 

[MMS]

Have a blessed week.

Spoiler

I'm with you. I mentioned in that other thread thats sort of what I consider God to be as well. Like a force that encompasses everything. Not a new thought either, iirc Spinoza thought along these lines as well which why he was telling ppl to just enjoy life and seek understanding. That to make art or study science, to try to understand the world you live and its laws (of nature) is essentially getting to know God. The 17th century Jews ran him out of town and literally cursed him for talking/writing about this.

its a very touchy subject

but reading the word of God is like wading in wavy water that unless you know how to float you can easily be submerged and taken by undertow (see Job, Jonah etc)

Genesis 49:3-4

3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.

Jacob truly is the correct lense and his arm shall rule for him

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/we-are-living-in-a-world-of-illusion.824646/page-34#post-44540075

 

[Koichos]

of course

that said, lets remember the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Nahor (river) etc...

@Koichos

'River' is נָהָר nahar, spelled with ה hé; נָחוֹר nahor is spelled with ח hét and derives from a different verb-root.

Also, Nahor is not reckoned among the 'God of Avraham, Yîtzhak and Ya'aḳov (and Ya'aḳov's descendants)', as the patronym 'Ivri was limited to Avra(ha)m, his son Yîtzhak and grandson Ya'aḳov, and Ya'aḳov's descendants.

B'réshît 31:53 should, therefore, read 'the God of Avraham...the god of Nahor...the god of their father [Terah].'

 

[Koichos]

the word for "woman" in hebrew is אִשָּׁ֔ה (EE-SHAW?)

Is that taken from B'réshît 2:23?

The two vertical dots above the middle arm of the letter shin is a ṭa'am (musical cantillation mark) used for printed T'nachim (Bibles), indicating how the word is chanted during public ceremonial Scripture readings.

its gematria adds up to "306"

Yes. But, when written without vowels it should be spelled in full אישה, which adds another 10.

In fact, the vowel-diacritics are normally omitted except in language-teaching books and other children's texts, and in printed T'nachim (Bibles), Siddurim (Daily Prayer Books), Mah'zorim (Holiday Prayer Books) etc., etc.

As to your original point, that is also the value of דְּבַשׁ d'vash ('honey') - which I get to enjoy just once a year in my wife's hallot as she only puts honey in them for Rosh Hashanah, for 'shanah m'tukah' (a 'sweet year').

I am still craving her 'honey hallot' from this past weekend!

happy wife happy life

We are living in a world of illusion

Yall needa cut the bullshyt out :mjlol:

www.thecoli.com

Very much so.